It's a wonderful time period in the United States 2020

[Zero_Sum]

With the United States on the verge of economic collapse entering the 2020 national political elections I just thought it would be nice to pause and illustrate where we're at presently. Let's just start from the beginning.


The United States is on the verge of economic collapse and we have a trade war against the rest of the world. Amongst the backdrop of the world powerful nations are making military economic alliances with and against each other which should make things interesting for the next world war. Besides the United States being on the verge of economic collapse it's looking just about the same for a variety of nations around the world.

As we enter the 2020 national political elections we have the moderate neo-liberals and neo-conservatives talking about civil war if either side wins politically where amongst all of that you have outside groups not represented within the political establishment like communists, anarchists, and fascists just waiting for the nation to go to total shit in order to achieve their own insurrectionary social political agendas. Those three outside political groups despise each other but more so have no love for the neo-liberals or neo-conservatives either.

Just imagine a civil war in the United States where it is a shootout between neo-liberals, neo-conservatives, communists, anarchists, and fascists.

What an awesome wonderful time period to be alive, I'm certainly looking forward to the future.

[Karpel Tunnel]

What an awesome wonderful time period to be alive, I'm certainly looking forward to the future.

Fun as your attitude is, how can you be a national socialist and think this is a great time to be alive? If you managed to, with like-minded people, move the US to a national socialist state it would be nothing like this. And certainly nothing at all like a civil war. If you like the current situation and civil war you are more of a nihilist anarchist. Or a would-be ronin or something.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I just want to note that the world is heading towards some level of economic collapse. Probably in the next two years, in fact probably in about 2-3 years. It will be sludgy rather than sudden, like last time. But, the United States, thanks to President Trump, will be well ahead of the curve. California may meet some serious corrections, if not collapses, as they got rich precisely on the most vulnerable sectors. Possibly because they somewhat see this, they are seeking refuge in China which will let its people starve before it lets something like a Google fail.

China will probably hurt most, but certainly not fare worst. They are too shrewd, economic reality will not ever be overshadowed by ideology with them. They understand ideology properly: as a weapon.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Facebook may have gotten outshrewed by Google with the China thing. But they were already so shrewd, in tying themselves to banks and governments, that it may not matter and they may be left, in the end, with more leeway than Google to set their own fate.

[Zero_Sum]

What an awesome wonderful time period to be alive, I'm certainly looking forward to the future.

Fun as your attitude is, how can you be a national socialist and think this is a great time to be alive? If you managed to, with like-minded people, move the US to a national socialist state it would be nothing like this. And certainly nothing at all like a civil war. If you like the current situation and civil war you are more of a nihilist anarchist. Or a would-be ronin or something.

In my opinion once this nation collapses a fracturing will occur territorially where multiple nations in the once former United States will be created racially, culturally, politically, socially, economically, and ideologically. The civil war will consist of which competing racial-social-political groups acquire what territory and where in the former United States when the new territorial maps are being drawn out afterwards once such a civil war reaches its final conclusion.

Yes, these future prospects are funny, predictable, and exciting. It's like a dream coming true for me.

Reintegration at this point I don't see happening at all, the future of the United States will be like the former Yugoslavia where disintegration will be prominent everywhere.

[Peter Kropotkin]

I too believe that we are heading towards some dire economic
straits.... one of the root causes is the massive tax cuts the wealthy
received...recall when bush Jr. gave his massive tax cuts while engaging
in not one, but two wars...with the wealthy not paying taxes and
corporations like Amazon and Exxon not paying taxes, who is left to pay
taxes? the Middle class and the number of people who are actually Middle
class has dropped.....you are heading toward a Roman Empire situation where
you basically have two classes, the wealthy and the poor.... that pretty much
sums up where we are heading today... and the end result of massive tax cuts
will be a collapse just like it did at the end of the Bush Jr. years...
and we shall see it come to pass once again...…

as far as a civil war happening, to some extent, it is already happening....
the middle and left will win for the simple reason, that the sheer numbers
of the right is fairly small....numbers will dictate the winner and numbers
favor the middle and left... it is rare a minority wins over the majority....

and the second factor favoring the middle and left is the fact that the
right is a bunch of gutless cowards.. they talk a big game, but
when push comes to shove, they have always run... look at the numbers
of right wingers who have talked a big game but didn't actually serve in the
armed forces... Raygun, Bush Jr.. IQ45, Limbaugh, Bolten, and any one on Faux News...
it is easy to talk a big game when you don't have to produce....

recall the basic emotion that drives the right wing, fear....
they are afraid of everything including their own shadow....
and when you are afraid of everything, you brag but you don't
actually do anything for fear of being hurt....

a good rule of them is that when cowards try to do something,
they are always in large packs to protect themselves...
they never act alone...

and so given this and the fact they are gutless cowards, I doubt
that the right will attempt anything unless they have large numbers on
their side and that will be rare outside of rural area's....

at most, you will get the right wing flinging shit at you...
nothing much more then that....

Kropotkin

[Pedro I Rengel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae#History

"Originally chartered as the National Mortgage Association of Washington, the organization's explicit purpose was to provide local banks with federal money to finance home loans in an attempt to raise levels of home ownership and the availability of affordable housing"

You mean... Impossible... The previous collapse was because of loony lefty legislation and NOT the otherwise free dealings of free peoples? As if regulation creates situations where small problems become global bankruptcy?

No... No... This cannot be true... SAY IT ISN'T TRUE!

[Zero_Sum]

I just want to note that the world is heading towards some level of economic collapse. Probably in the next two years, in fact probably in about 2-3 years. It will be sludgy rather than sudden, like last time. But, the United States, thanks to President Trump, will be well ahead of the curve. California may meet some serious corrections, if not collapses, as they got rich precisely on the most vulnerable sectors. Possibly because they somewhat see this, they are seeking refuge in China which will let its people starve before it lets something like a Google fail.

China will probably hurt most, but certainly not fare worst. They are too shrewd, economic reality will not ever be overshadowed by ideology with them. They understand ideology properly: as a weapon.

Donald Trump?

The economic collapse of either the United States or China will be felt across the entire world as it will basically mean the simultaneous economic collapse of a great deal of many nations across the planet.

The asshole globalists, Jews, and internationalists will try to set up a singular global digital electronic currency like Bitcoin afterwards to save the current world order structure but that will fail. I like to think of this event in history as entering the new global dark ages ushering in the world of maybe a few hundred years of total chaos. I'm fine with it and actually prefer that to the current world order which I've come to despise.

[Pedro I Rengel]

He has a magical protection cloak which prevents socialists from even understanding what he is, much less what he does. Makes things simpler.

[Zero_Sum]

He has a magical protection cloak which prevents socialists from even understanding what he is, much less what he does. Makes things simpler.

He's a dumbass boomer without a clue stuck in the 1980's and a filthy zionist to boot.

He's also a crony capitalist, fuck him.

I like socialism, national socialism that is.

Magical protection cloak?

[Zero_Sum]

I too believe that we are heading towards some dire economic
straits.... one of the root causes is the massive tax cuts the wealthy
received...recall when bush Jr. gave his massive tax cuts while engaging
in not one, but two wars...with the wealthy not paying taxes and
corporations like Amazon and Exxon not paying taxes, who is left to pay
taxes? the Middle class and the number of people who are actually Middle
class has dropped.....you are heading toward a Roman Empire situation where
you basically have two classes, the wealthy and the poor.... that pretty much
sums up where we are heading today... and the end result of massive tax cuts
will be a collapse just like it did at the end of the Bush Jr. years...
and we shall see it come to pass once again...…

as far as a civil war happening, to some extent, it is already happening....
the middle and left will win for the simple reason, that the sheer numbers
of the right is fairly small....numbers will dictate the winner and numbers
favor the middle and left... it is rare a minority wins over the majority....

and the second factor favoring the middle and left is the fact that the
right is a bunch of gutless cowards.. they talk a big game, but
when push comes to shove, they have always run... look at the numbers
of right wingers who have talked a big game but didn't actually serve in the
armed forces... Raygun, Bush Jr.. IQ45, Limbaugh, Bolten, and any one on Faux News...
it is easy to talk a big game when you don't have to produce....

recall the basic emotion that drives the right wing, fear....
they are afraid of everything including their own shadow....
and when you are afraid of everything, you brag but you don't
actually do anything for fear of being hurt....

a good rule of them is that when cowards try to do something,
they are always in large packs to protect themselves...
they never act alone...

and so given this and the fact they are gutless cowards, I doubt
that the right will attempt anything unless they have large numbers on
their side and that will be rare outside of rural area's....

at most, you will get the right wing flinging shit at you...
nothing much more then that....

Kropotkin

You Marxist-lite democrats or full blow communists are in store for such a huge rude awakening.

Also, every successful revolution is started by a minority of people.


Political moderates are going to be devoured in this current time period, this is the era of political extremism or radicalism and I love it.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I just want to note that the world is heading towards some level of economic collapse. Probably in the next two years, in fact probably in about 2-3 years. It will be sludgy rather than sudden, like last time. But, the United States, thanks to President Trump, will be well ahead of the curve. California may meet some serious corrections, if not collapses, as they got rich precisely on the most vulnerable sectors. Possibly because they somewhat see this, they are seeking refuge in China which will let its people starve before it lets something like a Google fail.

China will probably hurt most, but certainly not fare worst. They are too shrewd, economic reality will not ever be overshadowed by ideology with them. They understand ideology properly: as a weapon.

Donald Trump?

The economic collapse of either the United States or China will be felt across the entire world as it will basically mean the simultaneous economic collapse of a great deal of many nations across the planet.

The asshole globalists, Jews, and internationalists will try to set up a singular global digital electronic currency like Bitcoin afterwards to save the current world order structure but that will fail. I like to think of this event in history as entering the new global dark ages ushering in the world of maybe a few hundred years of total chaos. I'm fine with it and actually prefer that to the current world order which I've come to despise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libra_(cryptocurrency)

They ain't waiting for no collapse.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Seven other companies had been named as Libra Association members in the initial June 2019 announcement, but left before the first Libra meeting on 14 October 2019: Booking Holdings, eBay, Mastercard, Mercado Pago, PayPal, Stripe and Visa Inc. Visa chairman and CEO Alfred F. Kelly clarified in July that Visa had not joined, but had signed a nonbinding letter of intent; and that "no one has yet officially joined." He said that factors determining whether Visa would, in fact, join included "the ability of the association to satisfy all the requisite regulatory requirements."[27]

Press coverage around the initial Libra announcement noted the absence of Apple Pay, Google Pay, Amazon and of any banks.[28][29][30] Banking executives had been reluctant to join due to uncertainties surrounding regulation and feasibility of the scheme.[31]

The association hopes to grow to 100 members with an equal vote, while Facebook expects to "maintain a leadership role through 2019".[32]

Bigger banks are also involved, but for some unimaginable reason they have since made sure their names don't appear associated with it too much. JP Morgan and such.

People will blame the banks, obviously. Unimaginative lazy bastards looking for a hand out. But the truth is, if the government is offering free money or access to privileged trading protected by governments, aka police and military, lawyers, agencies, the State, anybody that can take that money and doesn't will go broke. Simple as that.

[Pedro I Rengel]

They're too smart though. They won't replace national currencies. That would eliminate the privilege.

[Meno_]

The U.S. is vested too deep to allow any major moves on it's currency. The US is really the USNWO. After all skirmishes like the late great recession may have been like blasting minor fissures of earthquake prone terrain, so that the Big One can be averted.
The G7 is not all that transparent, and among all the hubbub of the international banking community, there is veritable hubs of international policy making, to which capital has to subscribe to.
Policy reigns supreme among the high players of international finance, and the public marketplace of the local media is not only allowed, but encouraged to take up the slack.
Total international coup is inconceivable, as a natural byproduct.

[Zero_Sum]

I just want to note that the world is heading towards some level of economic collapse. Probably in the next two years, in fact probably in about 2-3 years. It will be sludgy rather than sudden, like last time. But, the United States, thanks to President Trump, will be well ahead of the curve. California may meet some serious corrections, if not collapses, as they got rich precisely on the most vulnerable sectors. Possibly because they somewhat see this, they are seeking refuge in China which will let its people starve before it lets something like a Google fail.

China will probably hurt most, but certainly not fare worst. They are too shrewd, economic reality will not ever be overshadowed by ideology with them. They understand ideology properly: as a weapon.

Donald Trump?

The economic collapse of either the United States or China will be felt across the entire world as it will basically mean the simultaneous economic collapse of a great deal of many nations across the planet.

The asshole globalists, Jews, and internationalists will try to set up a singular global digital electronic currency like Bitcoin afterwards to save the current world order structure but that will fail. I like to think of this event in history as entering the new global dark ages ushering in the world of maybe a few hundred years of total chaos. I'm fine with it and actually prefer that to the current world order which I've come to despise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libra_(cryptocurrency)

They ain't waiting for no collapse.

Libra was already shot down by regulators.

It's going to be Bitcoin or bust, and even if they try to implement Bitcoin that will fail also.

Digital fiat is still fiat nonetheless in terms of currency.

[Zero_Sum]

Seven other companies had been named as Libra Association members in the initial June 2019 announcement, but left before the first Libra meeting on 14 October 2019: Booking Holdings, eBay, Mastercard, Mercado Pago, PayPal, Stripe and Visa Inc. Visa chairman and CEO Alfred F. Kelly clarified in July that Visa had not joined, but had signed a nonbinding letter of intent; and that "no one has yet officially joined." He said that factors determining whether Visa would, in fact, join included "the ability of the association to satisfy all the requisite regulatory requirements."[27]

Press coverage around the initial Libra announcement noted the absence of Apple Pay, Google Pay, Amazon and of any banks.[28][29][30] Banking executives had been reluctant to join due to uncertainties surrounding regulation and feasibility of the scheme.[31]

The association hopes to grow to 100 members with an equal vote, while Facebook expects to "maintain a leadership role through 2019".[32]

Bigger banks are also involved, but for some unimaginable reason they have since made sure their names don't appear associated with it too much. JP Morgan and such.

People will blame the banks, obviously. Unimaginative lazy bastards looking for a hand out. But the truth is, if the government is offering free money or access to privileged trading protected by governments, aka police and military, lawyers, agencies, the State, anybody that can take that money and doesn't will go broke. Simple as that.

Facebook?

No sorry, that's never going to happen man.

[Zero_Sum]

The U.S. is vested too deep to allow any major moves on it's currency. The US is really the USNWO. After all skirmishes like the late great recession may have been like blasting minor fissures of earthquake prone terrain, so that the Big One can be averted.
The G7 is not all that transparent, and among all the hubbub of the international banking community, there is veritable hubs of international policy making, to which capital has to subscribe to.
Policy reigns supreme among the high players of international finance, and the public marketplace of the local media is not only allowed, but encouraged to take up the slack.
Total international coup is inconceivable, as a natural byproduct.

Be interesting if Europe cozies up with Russia. Italy has already signed a bunch of trade deals with China for better or worse.

One by one many nations are turning against the circus nation known as the United States. Cannot say that I blame them. This nation is existentially screwed on so many fronts.

[Peter Kropotkin]

zero: You Marxist-lite democrats or full blow communists are in store for such a huge rude awakening.

K: actually, I am not a communist.. given a choice, I would prefer anarchism...

Z: Also, every successful revolution is started by a minority of people.

K: if you actually have read history, you would know that the minority of people
you refer to are really either middle class or Aristocrats...every single major
rebellion or revolution has been lead by someone/somebodies from the middle
or wealthy class... see the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution or
even see the minor revolution in the U.S during the 1930's which was lead by an aristocrat
named.. Franklin D. Roosevelt....

that is why the current situation hasn't resolved itself... we don't have the leaders
from the upper or middle class who have stepped up and begun the revolution....

a bill gates or a Mark Cuban would actually give you some idea of what
the revolution is waiting for....

Z: Political moderates are going to be devoured in this current time period, this is the era of political extremism or radicalism and I love it. [/quote]

K: there is no historical backing for you statement.... the moderates may go underground, but
they will survive and be the leaders of the next generation....that is what history has shown us...

if you understand that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, then
you will have a far better understanding of both history and politics, then dozens
of history or political classes you might take in school.....

see this idea from the French revolution, the Thermidorian reaction... that is far more
likely then any moderate bloodbath...

Kropotkin

[Zero_Sum]

zero: You Marxist-lite democrats or full blow communists are in store for such a huge rude awakening.

K: actually, I am not a communist.. given a choice, I would prefer anarchism...

Z: Also, every successful revolution is started by a minority of people.

K: if you actually have read history, you would know that the minority of people
you refer to are really either middle class or Aristocrats...every single major
rebellion or revolution has been lead by someone/somebodies from the middle
or wealthy class... see the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution or
even see the minor revolution in the U.S during the 1930's which was lead by an aristocrat
named.. Franklin D. Roosevelt....

that is why the current situation hasn't resolved itself... we don't have the leaders
from the upper or middle class who have stepped up and begun the revolution....

a bill gates or a Mark Cuban would actually give you some idea of what
the revolution is waiting for....

Z: Political moderates are going to be devoured in this current time period, this is the era of political extremism or radicalism and I love it.

K: there is no historical backing for you statement.... the moderates may go underground, but
they will survive and be the leaders of the next generation....that is what history has shown us...

if you understand that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, then
you will have a far better understanding of both history and politics, then dozens
of history or political classes you might take in school.....

see this idea from the French revolution, the Thermidorian reaction... that is far more
likely then any moderate bloodbath...

Kropotkin

So, there has never been a working class or peasant revolution ever in history? I think you're wrong on that but I will agree a majority is devised by middle and upper classes. [Usually when they want somebody else's power for themselves.]

An anarchist? You're in worse shape than the communists then.

Better hope the moderates can go into hiding a few hundred years because that's what we're looking at concerning the new global dark ages. [It will only stop being the dark ages when one contender comes out of the chaos as the dominant ideology that fixes things. Could be an extremely long time before that happens.]

[Meno_]

zero: You Marxist-lite democrats or full blow communists are in store for such a huge rude awakening.

K: actually, I am not a communist.. given a choice, I would prefer anarchism...

Z: Also, every successful revolution is started by a minority of people.

K: if you actually have read history, you would know that the minority of people
you refer to are really either middle class or Aristocrats...every single major
rebellion or revolution has been lead by someone/somebodies from the middle
or wealthy class... see the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution or
even see the minor revolution in the U.S during the 1930's which was lead by an aristocrat
named.. Franklin D. Roosevelt....

that is why the current situation hasn't resolved itself... we don't have the leaders
from the upper or middle class who have stepped up and begun the revolution....

a bill gates or a Mark Cuban would actually give you some idea of what
the revolution is waiting for....

Z: Political moderates are going to be devoured in this current time period, this is the era of political extremism or radicalism and I love it.

K: there is no historical backing for you statement.... the moderates may go underground, but
they will survive and be the leaders of the next generation....that is what history has shown us...

if you understand that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, then
you will have a far better understanding of both history and politics, then dozens
of history or political classes you might take in school.....

see this idea from the French revolution, the Thermidorian reaction... that is far more
likely then any moderate bloodbath...

Kropotkin

So, there has never been a working class or peasant revolution ever in history? I think you're wrong on that but I will agree a majority is devised by middle and upper classes. [Usually when they want somebody else's power for themselves.]

An anarchist? You're in worse shape than the communists then.

Better hope the moderates can go into hiding a few hundred years because that's what we're looking at concerning the new global dark ages. [It will only stop being the dark ages when one contender comes out of the chaos as the dominant ideology that fixes things. Could be an extremely long time before that happens.]

No, in my opinion it is happening as we speak.

I can almost hear You saying ' who asked you?'

[Zero_Sum]

zero: You Marxist-lite democrats or full blow communists are in store for such a huge rude awakening.

K: actually, I am not a communist.. given a choice, I would prefer anarchism...

Z: Also, every successful revolution is started by a minority of people.

K: if you actually have read history, you would know that the minority of people
you refer to are really either middle class or Aristocrats...every single major
rebellion or revolution has been lead by someone/somebodies from the middle
or wealthy class... see the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution or
even see the minor revolution in the U.S during the 1930's which was lead by an aristocrat
named.. Franklin D. Roosevelt....

that is why the current situation hasn't resolved itself... we don't have the leaders
from the upper or middle class who have stepped up and begun the revolution....

a bill gates or a Mark Cuban would actually give you some idea of what
the revolution is waiting for....

Z: Political moderates are going to be devoured in this current time period, this is the era of political extremism or radicalism and I love it.

K: there is no historical backing for you statement.... the moderates may go underground, but
they will survive and be the leaders of the next generation....that is what history has shown us...

if you understand that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, then
you will have a far better understanding of both history and politics, then dozens
of history or political classes you might take in school.....

see this idea from the French revolution, the Thermidorian reaction... that is far more
likely then any moderate bloodbath...

Kropotkin

So, there has never been a working class or peasant revolution ever in history? I think you're wrong on that but I will agree a majority is devised by middle and upper classes. [Usually when they want somebody else's power for themselves.]

An anarchist? You're in worse shape than the communists then.

Better hope the moderates can go into hiding a few hundred years because that's what we're looking at concerning the new global dark ages. [It will only stop being the dark ages when one contender comes out of the chaos as the dominant ideology that fixes things. Could be an extremely long time before that happens.]

No, in my opinion it is happening as we speak.

Can you be more specific?

[Meno_]

An Oracle from Delphi

[Meno_]

"Can you be more specific?"

[Peter Kropotkin]

zero: You Marxist-lite democrats or full blow communists are in store for such a huge rude awakening.

K: actually, I am not a communist.. given a choice, I would prefer anarchism...

Z: Also, every successful revolution is started by a minority of people.

K: if you actually have read history, you would know that the minority of people
you refer to are really either middle class or Aristocrats...every single major
rebellion or revolution has been lead by someone/somebodies from the middle
or wealthy class... see the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution or
even see the minor revolution in the U.S during the 1930's which was lead by an aristocrat
named.. Franklin D. Roosevelt....

that is why the current situation hasn't resolved itself... we don't have the leaders
from the upper or middle class who have stepped up and begun the revolution....

a bill gates or a Mark Cuban would actually give you some idea of what
the revolution is waiting for....

Z: Political moderates are going to be devoured in this current time period, this is the era of political extremism or radicalism and I love it.

K: there is no historical backing for you statement.... the moderates may go underground, but
they will survive and be the leaders of the next generation....that is what history has shown us...

if you understand that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, then
you will have a far better understanding of both history and politics, then dozens
of history or political classes you might take in school.....

see this idea from the French revolution, the Thermidorian reaction... that is far more
likely then any moderate bloodbath...

Kropotkin

Z: So, there has never been a working class or peasant revolution ever in history? I think you're wrong on that but I will agree a majority is devised by middle and upper classes. [Usually when they want somebody else's power for themselves.]

K: feel free to name a working class or peasant revolution that wasn't led by
someone from the middle or upper class....

Z: An anarchist? You're in worse shape than the communists then.

K: as noted, I said prefer anarchism, but there are aspects of communism I like
and parts I dislike... as I noted in another thread this morning, I would like to
move communism to become more "secular" and not so much an religion...

Z: Better hope the moderates can go into hiding a few hundred years because that's what we're looking at concerning the new global dark ages. [It will only stop being the dark ages when one contender comes out of the chaos as the dominant ideology that fixes things. Could be an extremely long time before that happens.]

K: having studied history for over 40 years, it is rare that things ever turn so bleak
as to exist for a "few hundred years"....the historical period known as the "Enlightenment"
which still drives much of what is happening today, lasted less then 80 years and the
Renaissance lasted, depending on the country, lasted roughly 300 years.. in theory,
in practice, it really lasted maybe 200 years at most....

read history and see that history is driven by cycles... what is up today is down tomorrow
and what is down is up...liberalism is followed by conservatism and then liberalism comes
back... cycles of history is really the best way to understand history...

wait long enough and everything will return... this is true socially and this
is true politically....the true course of history is cycles within cycles...

one can see after a long time of conservativism in America, we can see
the rise of liberalism.. and after a long time of liberalism, we will see
the rise of conservatism once again...that is how it works...…cycles....

I suspect, don't know, but suspect, that the coming cycle of liberalism will
last a couple of decades, then conservatism will come back.....so with luck,
I will be dead when conservatism makes its return.....

Kropotkin