## Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

WendyDarling wrote:
Silhouette wrote:What is the real crime of being an illegal immigrant? Being in the wrong place without telling the right people?

It's all red tape and admin/bureaucracy for the sake of it - just to create a barrier when there isn't one.

It's a fiction how lifestyles and cultures just "end" and "start" either side of a border - it's continuous, people near one another influence each other culturally regardless of political boundary. The discrete lines don't just "not exist" they mislead. It just means government doesn't have to help people beyond a line in the sand.

It's funny how a discussion about Trump turned into a discussion about immigration - kinda sums him all up, there's nothing else to Populism. And still the support against "the other" is as timeless as it always has been... even statistics won't persuade people - apparently nothing will.

There are physical boundaries between countries, it's not a line in the sand as idealism says. The USA is in decline due in part to illegal immigrants and I doubt there is a country in the West that hasn't been inundated with alien immigrants that is not in decline.

K: I say unto you, the reason America is in decline is people like you, people
who blame the jews, and blame the liberals and blame the immigrants
and blame and blame and blame.. look in the mirror......

J'accuse: the reason American is in decline is because of
those like Wendy who refuse to look in the mirror and
ask themselves, what have I done to make it better?

"I have blamed, oh how I have blamed... I have blamed
but have I taken responsibility? have I taken the guilt of
this so called "American failure"? Have I attempted to
improve our lives, or have I simply blamed?"

it is easy to blame.. I did it as a kid.. in a large family,
a vase got broken and the blame game began.. and the last
word might even get away with breaking the vase....

if you want to play the blame game, let us take the blame right
to where it belongs, GOD.... oh, god, are thou vengeful for letting
millions suffer in poverty, thou are vengeful for letting millions
be born into shitholes, thou are vengeful for allowing
children, mere children to suffer in concentration camps built
by men you admired and voted for.....

what have you done? what have you done to mitigate
those who have suffer?

J'accuse: I accuse you of being a bad Christian and a worse human being...

have you no sympathy for the children who suffer in concentration camps?

have you no sympathy for those who suffer in third world "shitholes"?

but of course not, you must blame.. it is their fault for living in a shithole,
why don't they do something about it? and they did.... they tried to enter
this country and the children, the children are in concentration camps...
do you feel like justice is being served? how very Christian of you.....

for if someone suffers, it must be because of their own actions...

and yet, god punishes children, makes them suffer with cancer
and tumors... what were their actions that caused them to suffer?

and a Christian is reduced to announcing, "gods ways are inscrutable"
and we can't possibly know them...…

BULLSHIT..... BULLSHIT...… BULLSHIT...……

if we are a Christian nation as if often proclaimed, then
we must, must adhere to the notion, the notion best proclaimed
in the declaration of independence.....

"That all men are created equal" and that equality means we must
treat all men with dignity and honor and love and with justice.....

so, how does putting children in concentration camps
tell us how "all men are created equal"?

the suffering of our fellow human beings....

and if I "hurt" your feelings, good.. maybe that will wake you up
to the indifferent life you are leading.....and maybe, just maybe,
you can end the blame game and take responsibility for actions
taken in your name that put children in concentration camps.....

Kropotkin
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wind up with neither."
"Ben Franklin"
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

WendyDarling wrote:Gloominary wrote
This is our club.
We get to decide who we admit and why, not nonmembers.

But what about equality for all under the law? Equal opportunity for all?

Lol, that's not my principle, mine is white working men and women first, or at least citizens in general first.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
Silhouette wrote:What is the real crime of being an illegal immigrant? Being in the wrong place without telling the right people?

It's all red tape and admin/bureaucracy for the sake of it - just to create a barrier when there isn't one.

It's a fiction how lifestyles and cultures just "end" and "start" either side of a border - it's continuous, people near one another influence each other culturally regardless of political boundary. The discrete lines don't just "not exist" they mislead. It just means government doesn't have to help people beyond a line in the sand.

It's funny how a discussion about Trump turned into a discussion about immigration - kinda sums him all up, there's nothing else to Populism. And still the support against "the other" is as timeless as it always has been... even statistics won't persuade people - apparently nothing will.

There are physical boundaries between countries, it's not a line in the sand as idealism says. The USA is in decline due in part to illegal immigrants and I doubt there is a country in the West that hasn't been inundated with alien immigrants that is not in decline.

K: I say unto you, the reason America is in decline is people like you, people
who blame the jews, and blame the liberals and blame the immigrants
and blame and blame and blame.. look in the mirror......

J'accuse: the reason American is in decline is because of
those like Wendy who refuse to look in the mirror and
ask themselves, what have I done to make it better?

"I have blamed, oh how I have blamed... I have blamed
but have I taken responsibility? have I taken the guilt of
this so called "American failure"? Have I attempted to
improve our lives, or have I simply blamed?"

it is easy to blame.. I did it as a kid.. in a large family,
a vase got broken and the blame game began.. and the last
word might even get away with breaking the vase....

if you want to play the blame game, let us take the blame right
to where it belongs, GOD.... oh, god, are thou vengeful for letting
millions suffer in poverty, thou are vengeful for letting millions
be born into shitholes, thou are vengeful for allowing
children, mere children to suffer in concentration camps built
by men you admired and voted for.....

what have you done? what have you done to mitigate
those who have suffer?

J'accuse: I accuse you of being a bad Christian and a worse human being...

have you no sympathy for the children who suffer in concentration camps?

have you no sympathy for those who suffer in third world "shitholes"?

but of course not, you must blame.. it is their fault for living in a shithole,
why don't they do something about it? and they did.... they tried to enter
this country and the children, the children are in concentration camps...
do you feel like justice is being served? how very Christian of you.....

for if someone suffers, it must be because of their own actions...

and yet, god punishes children, makes them suffer with cancer
and tumors... what were their actions that caused them to suffer?

and a Christian is reduced to announcing, "gods ways are inscrutable"
and we can't possibly know them...…

BULLSHIT..... BULLSHIT...… BULLSHIT...……

if we are a Christian nation as if often proclaimed, then
we must, must adhere to the notion, the notion best proclaimed
in the declaration of independence.....

"That all men are created equal" and that equality means we must
treat all men with dignity and honor and love and with justice.....

so, how does putting children in concentration camps
tell us how "all men are created equal"?

the suffering of our fellow human beings....

and if I "hurt" your feelings, good.. maybe that will wake you up
to the indifferent life you are leading.....and maybe, just maybe,
you can end the blame game and take responsibility for actions
taken in your name that put children in concentration camps.....

Kropotkin

No evidence then to prove your earlier post? Just accusations about accusations. Trump is gonna win in 2020. Thank you for helping my cause Peter.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Better a patriotic fool to lead a country then an unpatriotic genius.
I'd say that depends on things like how interventionist the fool is, for example.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Gloominary wrote:
Gloom: and some of them commit other crimes.

Karpel: That's covered by already existing laws.

Not well enough.
Catch and release needs to be replaced with detain and deport.
They can apply for asylum on the other side of the wall.
OK, I thought you meant crimes other than being here illegally. Like robbery say or murder.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
Silhouette wrote:What is the real crime of being an illegal immigrant? Being in the wrong place without telling the right people?

It's all red tape and admin/bureaucracy for the sake of it - just to create a barrier when there isn't one.

It's a fiction how lifestyles and cultures just "end" and "start" either side of a border - it's continuous, people near one another influence each other culturally regardless of political boundary. The discrete lines don't just "not exist" they mislead. It just means government doesn't have to help people beyond a line in the sand.

It's funny how a discussion about Trump turned into a discussion about immigration - kinda sums him all up, there's nothing else to Populism. And still the support against "the other" is as timeless as it always has been... even statistics won't persuade people - apparently nothing will.

There are physical boundaries between countries, it's not a line in the sand as idealism says. The USA is in decline due in part to illegal immigrants and I doubt there is a country in the West that hasn't been inundated with alien immigrants that is not in decline.

K: I say unto you, the reason America is in decline is people like you, people
who blame the jews, and blame the liberals and blame the immigrants
and blame and blame and blame.. look in the mirror......

J'accuse: the reason American is in decline is because of
those like Wendy who refuse to look in the mirror and
ask themselves, what have I done to make it better?

"I have blamed, oh how I have blamed... I have blamed
but have I taken responsibility? have I taken the guilt of
this so called "American failure"? Have I attempted to
improve our lives, or have I simply blamed?"

it is easy to blame.. I did it as a kid.. in a large family,
a vase got broken and the blame game began.. and the last
word might even get away with breaking the vase....

if you want to play the blame game, let us take the blame right
to where it belongs, GOD.... oh, god, are thou vengeful for letting
millions suffer in poverty, thou are vengeful for letting millions
be born into shitholes, thou are vengeful for allowing
children, mere children to suffer in concentration camps built
by men you admired and voted for.....

what have you done? what have you done to mitigate
those who have suffer?

J'accuse: I accuse you of being a bad Christian and a worse human being...

have you no sympathy for the children who suffer in concentration camps?

have you no sympathy for those who suffer in third world "shitholes"?

but of course not, you must blame.. it is their fault for living in a shithole,
why don't they do something about it? and they did.... they tried to enter
this country and the children, the children are in concentration camps...
do you feel like justice is being served? how very Christian of you.....

for if someone suffers, it must be because of their own actions...

and yet, god punishes children, makes them suffer with cancer
and tumors... what were their actions that caused them to suffer?

and a Christian is reduced to announcing, "gods ways are inscrutable"
and we can't possibly know them...…

BULLSHIT..... BULLSHIT...… BULLSHIT...……

if we are a Christian nation as if often proclaimed, then
we must, must adhere to the notion, the notion best proclaimed
in the declaration of independence.....

"That all men are created equal" and that equality means we must
treat all men with dignity and honor and love and with justice.....

so, how does putting children in concentration camps
tell us how "all men are created equal"?

the suffering of our fellow human beings....

and if I "hurt" your feelings, good.. maybe that will wake you up
to the indifferent life you are leading.....and maybe, just maybe,
you can end the blame game and take responsibility for actions
taken in your name that put children in concentration camps.....

Kropotkin

everyone plays the blame game.
Half of the population blames the other half for their problems.
The left blame the rich, whites, Christians, men and markets, the right blame the poor and government.

Whites, Christians and men are sick and tired of being blamed for everyone else's problems, we want our government to put us first, or at least not scapegoat us.
We don't owe the world anything.

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

WendyDarling wrote:There are physical boundaries between countries, it's not a line in the sand as idealism says.

You mean the same kind of physical boundaries we have within countries, right?

And we're not talking insurmountable obstacles here are we.

Idealism is needed to believe borders exist - physically it's neither here nor there, like taking a step down the street. Artificially obstructing the way to pretend there's a difference between here or there is just as meaningful as doing it within countries - as is done all the time.

WendyDarling wrote:The USA is in decline due in part to illegal immigrants and I doubt there is a country in the West that hasn't been inundated with alien immigrants that is not in decline.

That's the right wing Populism narrative, sure. Is it true? Well just dismiss statistics to the contrary as lies, and problem solved.

I love the terminology too: alien. Literally deriving from the Latin "alius" meaning "other" - just more "us versus them" Tribalism. There goes that right wing amygdala flight/fight fear response, in the absence of any anterior cingulate impulse control that you see advanced in left wing brains.

It seems pointless to have these discussions when physiology has already dictated the outcome.

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Silhouette wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:There are physical boundaries between countries, it's not a line in the sand as idealism says.

You mean the same kind of physical boundaries we have within countries, right?

And we're not talking insurmountable obstacles here are we.

Idealism is needed to believe borders exist - physically it's neither here nor there, like taking a step down the street. Artificially obstructing the way to pretend there's a difference between here or there is just as meaningful as doing it within countries - as is done all the time.Borders exist beyond the outlay of maps dividing countries. It's not here nor there. Here is France with French people, French culture, and the French language, there is Italy with Italian people, Italian culture, and the Italian language. Big differences and they're not made of idealism.

WendyDarling wrote:The USA is in decline due in part to illegal immigrants and I doubt there is a country in the West that hasn't been inundated with alien immigrants that is not in decline.

That's the right wing Populism narrative, sure. Is it true? Well just dismiss statistics to the contrary as lies, and problem solved.What you tell yourself is lies. I work with reality, not make believe BS.

I love the terminology too: alien. Literally deriving from the Latin "alius" meaning "other" - just more "us versus them" Tribalism. There goes that right wing amygdala flight/fight fear response, in the absence of any anterior cingulate impulse control that you see advanced in left wing brains.

It seems pointless to have these discussions when physiology has already dictated the outcome.If it's pointless, stop responding.
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Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Why do globalists, selectively apply their metaphysics?
There's some overlap between who and what lives inside and outside my house, therefore I let hobos and racoons sleep in my, err our house and play with our children.
There's some overlap between what's inside and outside my skin, therefore I don't clean, clothe or feed myself.
There's some overlap between yin and yang, therefore everything is a psychosocial construct, nothing exists and we're all one.

There's overlap between sane/insane and lawful/unlawful, so we should release lunatics/prisoners from the asylum/prison.
There's overlap between pros/joes, so we should let joes be pros.

There's overlap between the races, so race doesn't exist.
But I know for a fact I'm black (minority/victim) and you're white (majority/oppressor) just by glancing at you, and what's more, I know for a fact everyone perceives me as black and you white because I'm psychic, so you owe me reparations.
Wait a minute, a moment ago you just finished saying there's no demarcation between the races, that it's a perfectly smooth, uninterrupted spectrum, so how can you identify who's who?
Maybe some whites, whatever that is, are dark enough to be perceived as non-white, maybe some non-whites are light enough to be perceived as white, and what is white anyway?

Are Jews and Gypsies white?
Are Armenians and Georgians?
What is Armenia and Georgia?
Geopolitical and psychosocial borders are loose, Armenia and Georgia have been continuously exchanging genes and memes with Russia and west Asia for eons.

So why're liberals so sure they can identify who's who whenever it's time to extract reparations, then immediately after go back to throwing their hands up in the air, shrugging and proclaiming: 'nah man, we're all the same, basically..mostly...quite a bit.
It's self-serving tripe, is what it is, cognitive dissonance.
It's okay for us to be racist, even while we're supposedly building this global, all-inclusive civilization, but not you, whitey.

Make up your mind, either race doesn't exist, or it exists and you think my race is uniquely fortunate and/or malevolent, based on your interpretation of our history, and this is a shakedown.

Well wait a minute, my history?
Oh, how convenient.

The truth about this metaphysical conundrum, is while lots of things, perhaps everything is continuous in many, or all respects, they're not perfectly continuous.
Some transitions are smoother than others.
Some distinctions are more stark, like a basket of apples.
Some distinctions are more blurry, like a bowl of soup or ham and cheese sandwich.
Some are even blurrier, like a strawberry-banana smoothie.
And some are debatable, discussable, imperceptible and yes exaggerated or nonexistent.

Just because there's some overlap between and within cultures, languages, nations and so on, doesn't mean there aren't any cultures and so forth.
Where we draw the line is usually some combination of our individual and collective cognition and culture, and, the reality our cognition and culture are coming into contact with, as well as our experiences, instincts and intuitions.

even apples in a basket are continuously exchanging materials and energies with one another.
The butterfly effect, what happens in one part of the universe, echoes across and affects the whole universe (in)directly.
For a God, the whole cosmos may be inferable from what a single atom is doing.

Nation is a social construct, eh?
How bout, humanity is a social construct, how bout, society is a social construct, and all that exists are individuals and little groups briefly using, misusing and abusing each other before dispersing again?
everything has parts, and is part of a whole.
All these levels of existence, individual, family, community, nation and globe have realities and unrealities to them, it's not as simple as affirming or denying them all, or wholly affirming some and denying others.
For the globalist, the globe is the ultimate reality, the others illusory, by-products or stepping stones on our way to its realization, for the individualist, the individual, and of course for the nationalist, the nation.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Gloominary wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Gloominary wrote
This is our club.
We get to decide who we admit and why, not nonmembers.

But what about equality for all under the law? Equal opportunity for all?

Lol, that's not my principle, mine is white working men and women first, or at least citizens in general first.

Are you a white nationalist?

Just curious.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Have you heard of the absurdity of extremes? They aren't well known for being outstanding examples of argumentation.

Being "fed up to here" can take you there. Take a breath.

I don't think anyone intended for you to take their comments to that extreme.

Aren't you sort of taking an argument against a generalization to a generalized extreme?

I mean just because your life is dependent on a million other organisms for your immune system to operate properly doesn't imply it's going to feed you too.
The argument was you aren't individually responsible to an exclusion of any other aid. There is symbiosis at play. (The "other"s benefit as we do for the relationship) It isn't like we are doing it "alone" and they aren't either. To think of it as individually responsible is a myth.

Eat something... yet I don't really think it affected your appetite at all. Hmmm.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

FreeSpirit1983 wrote:Are you a white nationalist?

Just curious.

I want to maintain our white majority in white countries by eliminating immigration, both illegal and legal.
But I don't take issue with non-whites who already came here legally, just illegals.

I respect David Duke, Adolf Hitler I'm not sure, I haven't done enough independent research.
From what I've heard, he was much more tolerant than the MSM makes him out to be.

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Gloominary wrote:
FreeSpirit1983 wrote:Are you a white nationalist?

Just curious.

I want to maintain our white majority in white countries by eliminating immigration, both illegal and legal.
But I don't take issue with non-whites who already came here legally, just illegals.

I respect David Duke, Adolf Hitler I'm not sure, I haven't done enough independent research.
From what I've heard, he was much more tolerant than the MSM makes him out to be.

Most Western countries have negative birthrates. Who will replace the workers?

Do you post on Stormfront?
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

FreeSpirit1983 wrote:Most Western countries have negative birthrates. Who will replace the workers?

Japan and South Korea seem to be managing.

Do you post on Stormfront?

Nope

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

FreeSpirit1983 wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I did study psychology a little bit.

Trump is clearly suffering from anti-social personality disorder and probably narcissistic personality disorder. He has no conscience. He demands people worship him because he's empty on the inside. He's a compulsive liar. He's unable to form close relationships with other people because he has no sense of empathy.

He has grandiose visions of himself although he is highly insecure and he bristles when anyone critiques him.

He's a complete sociopath, in my opinion.

Does everyone agree that he's nuts?

I am not an American and believe I can offer a more objective view on Trump and his psychology.

The first thing is when we discuss psychological manifestations we need to understand they come in degrees from 1/100 [low] to 50 Medium and >80 high [clinical].

Based on what I have seen, read and listened, my ratings of Trump's psychological status are as follow;

1. Narciscism - Medium to high
2. Egomania - Medium to high
3. Psychopathy and sociopathy - low to Medium
4. Driven for success - 90/100
5. Goal driven 90/100

To be successful in a large corporation and a nation of many people [given the current circumstances in general], the leader has to have some degree of psychopathy, i.e. from low 20 to medium 50/100. Of course other critical qualities for the job must be present.

To assess a person, one has to list all the pros and cons, then look at the netted results relative to the objectives defined and circumstances in a report card basis with all the relevant criteria.
My assessments is the pros from Trump outweigh the cons relative to the present circumstances.

Given the present circumstances, I believe Trump is the best man for the President job and this is proven with results.
Note Maslow's hierarchy where the basic needs are hunger [economics] and security [defense] which Trump has performed very well.

All the negative reports on Trump are purely ideological.
Most reports of Trump I have read of Trump are not balanced at all but 99% negatives and outright bias.
I understand most of the media and News are monopolized by the Left who are very bias in their reporting to the extent of lying blatantly.
As an outsider I don't see Trump as racist but the media and Democrats kept accusing him as a racist based on rhetoric. Fortunately with Philosophy as my forte, I could see through the bullsh:t easily.
One classic example is the Elijah Cummings' case, where Trump condemnation of Baltimore is deemed racist but not when Bernie, the ex. Mayor and Cummings himself condemned Baltimore negatively.

Most of my friends and relatives have a VERY bad impression of Trump and I believe they have been brainwashed and bewitched by the ideological war of the media and the Democrats.

I believed most Americans who are unable to give a balanced opinion on this matter are also brainwashed by the ideology battles rather than rationally weighing the truth of the matter.

Trump is not nuts, but you would be a nuts [philosophically and intellectually] if you don't approach your assessment in a balanced manner epistemologically, rationally and with wisdom.
I am a progressive human being, a World Citizen, NOT-a-theist and not religious.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

1. Narciscism - Medium to high
2. Egomania - Medium to high
3. Psychopathy and sociopathy - low to Medium
4. Driven for success - 90/100
5. Goal driven 90/100

How do you rate him regarding truth, integrity and character?
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

It's very dangerous internationally to call people terrorists. Enemy combatants, maybe.

Enemy of what? Giving tax cuts and loopholes to the ultra rich?

Trump has never been nor will ever be my president.

Republics are evil, but with trump, we don't even have a republic.

Direct democracy folks.

If you vote me for president, I'll be the last president.

Donald trump is a piece of shit on a stick.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

The Don is a truly Marmite figure in the United States and everywhere else too
But his supporters are very loyal indeed and that simple fact cannot be denied

They are ordinary Americans who both individually and collectively love God and their country and everything that it represents to them
They believe in the American Dream and in traditional conservative values and absolutely hate anyone and anything that disrespects this
I saw some of his followers on twitter and they were doubly proud - proud that he is their President and proud too that they are American
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Mowk wrote:1. Narciscism - Medium to high
2. Egomania - Medium to high
3. Psychopathy and sociopathy - low to Medium
4. Driven for success - 90/100
5. Goal driven 90/100

How do you rate him regarding truth, integrity and character?

I would rate Trump's integrity as high as noted by his very aggressive attempts to perform and meet the promises he had made. If Trump do not has a reasonable degree of integrity he would not have been successful as the businessman he was.

Character wise, Trump is a very aggressive and very determined high achiever, perhaps to feed his egomania as a boaster.
One very noticeable weakness with Trump is his very 'thin skin' which again is related to his high ego. I don't see this as a problem if there are no evil and violent intent involved.
In Trump's case there is need to consider a trade off between the positive results he produced and any consequences of the above negative traits. I see a net-positive in Trump's case.

In terms of truth one has to consider the weightage and criticalness of the statement to some relevant criteria, e.g. National Security, economy, etc.

One problem which is typical and common with most people is he is caught up with generalization without specific qualifications.

E.g. his reference to "Baltimore" in is tweet which is very general whereas the real problem is specifically with West Baltimore and not the whole of Baltimore. I think Trump like everybody presumed that is common public knowledge and expected everyone to know the specific. Perhaps it is because Twitter has a word limit thus he could not elaborate the details.

However from a philosophical point of view, the above is a fallacy of generalization.

One point is whatever statements given by Trump they are open to be fact-checked by the whole world and thus if anything statement is critical it would have been exposed for consideration.

It is difficult to stop Trump from speaking the way he does but what is critical is we need to consider the weightage and criticalness of the truth of the statement and how it will effect the USA and the world.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Ecmandu wrote:It's very dangerous internationally to call people terrorists. Enemy combatants, maybe.

Enemy of what? Giving tax cuts and loopholes to the ultra rich?

Trump has never been nor will ever be my president.

Republics are evil, but with trump, we don't even have a republic.

Direct democracy folks.

If you vote me for president, I'll be the last president.

Donald trump is a piece of shit on a stick.

You are too hasty and subjective, and mostly likely brainwashed and bewitched by the media and negative ideologies.

It is likely you are still suffering from the Trump Derangement Syndrome arising from the terrible cognitive dissonance, i.e. that Trump was NEVER, NEVER, NEVER expected to be President BUT ended up as the President of the USA.
Such a terrible cognitive dissonance can really destabilize a person's psychic.

FUNNIEST TRUMP CAN'T WIN COMPILATION

As I had stated, to be objective you need to rate Trump on a report card basis with all the relevant criteria and the appropriate weightages.

It is a good thing that Trump called out 'Radical Islam.'
Note even with two Islamic driven congressperson, there is a already so much havoc that is related to Islamism, e.g. anti-semitism, support for CAIR [ terrorist supporters] and others. It would be worse when Islamism had continued to infiltrate into the White House [with Obama] and the US Government.

If you have studied anthropology and human nature, you would have understand that groups with a certain percentage of high achievers are very successful, i.e. scientists, entrepreneurs, artists, writers, inventors, explorers, etc.
To motivate the entrepreneurs there is a need for incentives in terms of low tax to encourage greater growth and innovations. Note many ultra rich are great philanthropists and undeniably there are greedy ones also.
What is critical for entrepreneurs is to sustain their drive to high achievements, growth and innovation thus rippling down and facilitating others down the line to succeed in their own levels. High taxes will kill those drives.

Note the example of Amazon and New York City.
The NY condemned and hated Amazon for their supposedly exploitation of profits thus were unfavorable to Amazon, but the consequences is a lost of few thousand jobs without alternatives. With such policies and ideology, New York City will be like West Baltimore in no time of such an ideology and its policies are exerted further.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Trump lives in a bubble, financial and otherwise.

He's lucky that he gets to look so good.

I'm a direct democracy person, I think every us president has been a shit
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Ecmandu wrote:Trump lives in a bubble, financial and otherwise.

He's lucky that he gets to look so good.

I'm a direct democracy person, I think every us president has been a shit

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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Prismatic567 wrote:
Mowk wrote:1. Narciscism - Medium to high
2. Egomania - Medium to high
3. Psychopathy and sociopathy - low to Medium
4. Driven for success - 90/100
5. Goal driven 90/100

How do you rate him regarding truth, integrity and character?

I would rate Trump's integrity as high as noted by his very aggressive attempts to perform and meet the promises he had made. If Trump do not has a reasonable degree of integrity he would not have been successful as the businessman he was.

You might want to check how successful a business man he is. There are many reports to the contrary. Maybe if the facts aren't really known? Perhaps why he hasn't released his income tax records.

I don't think that is the definition of integrity. Here is a sample from businessdictionary.com "Definition of integrity: Strict adherence to a moral code, reflected in transparent honesty and complete harmony in what one thinks, says, and does."

Try the search "trump hires illegal immigrants"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/integrity
"Definition of integrity
1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility
2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness
3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided : completeness"

I think perhaps you may be suffering from a bit of bias yourself.

Character wise, Trump is a very aggressive and very determined high achiever, perhaps to feed his egomania as a boaster.
One very noticeable weakness with Trump is his very 'thin skin' which again is related to his high ego. I don't see this as a problem if there are no evil and violent intent involved.
In Trump's case there is need to consider a trade off between the positive results he produced and any consequences of the above negative traits. I see a net-positive in Trump's case.

Not that kind of character, I was asking more along the lines of moral character. Faithful? Truthful? Honest? Doesn't take advantage of others. That sort of thing. Above suspicion.

In terms of truth one has to consider the weightage and criticalness of the statement to some relevant criteria, e.g. National Security, economy, etc.

One problem which is typical and common with most people is he is caught up with generalization without specific qualifications.

E.g. his reference to "Baltimore" in is tweet which is very general whereas the real problem is specifically with West Baltimore and not the whole of Baltimore. I think Trump like everybody presumed that is common public knowledge and expected everyone to know the specific. Perhaps it is because Twitter has a word limit thus he could not elaborate the details.

However from a philosophical point of view, the above is a fallacy of generalization.

One point is whatever statements given by Trump they are open to be fact-checked by the whole world and thus if anything statement is critical it would have been exposed for consideration.

It is difficult to stop Trump from speaking the way he does but what is critical is we need to consider the weightage and criticalness of the truth of the statement and how it will effect the USA and the world.

There are many examples of his "facts" being checked. Does how critical a lie it is, in any way imply it's still not the truth?

His rhetoric is hateful and childish. He refers to anyone who he perceives as an opponent with what he intends as demeaning insults and belittlement.
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

1. Narciscism - High to extreme
2. Egomania - High to extreme
3. Psychopathy and sociopathy - Medium
4. Driven for success - 90/100 (Not an admirable attribute if you are willing to do anything for it.)
4a. Goal driven, a subcategory of what is commonly thought of as an attribute of success.
5. Honesty - low to medium
6. Integrity - none to low
7. Moral Character - none to low
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### Re: Does everyone agree that Trump is nuts?

Mowk wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:
Mowk wrote:1. Narciscism - Medium to high
2. Egomania - Medium to high
3. Psychopathy and sociopathy - low to Medium
4. Driven for success - 90/100
5. Goal driven 90/100

How do you rate him regarding truth, integrity and character?

I would rate Trump's integrity as high as noted by his very aggressive attempts to perform and meet the promises he had made. If Trump do not has a reasonable degree of integrity he would not have been successful as the businessman he was.

You might want to check how successful a business man he is. There are many reports to the contrary. Maybe if the facts aren't really known? Perhaps why he hasn't released his income tax records.
In terms of success, one critical measuring indicator is the person's net worth, i.e. his assets over his liabilities which I read is a net-asset position for Trump. I read Trump was once VERY debt laden but no more and that he had learned his lessons to be debt free is one great achievement.

In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.). Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as$2.48 billion on May 31, 2018, and Wealth-X listed it as at least \$3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump

I don't think that is the definition of integrity. Here is a sample from businessdictionary.com "Definition of integrity: Strict adherence to a moral code, reflected in transparent honesty and complete harmony in what one thinks, says, and does."

Try the search "trump hires illegal immigrants"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/integrity
"Definition of integrity
1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility
2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness
3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided : completeness"

I think perhaps you may be suffering from a bit of bias yourself.

The value for "integrity" is comprised of a wide range of traits, i.e. with synonyms like;

honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness

Meeting his promises is "trustworthiness".

Trump has a large building and construction empire. I don't believe his organization has a policy to hire immigrants. This non-compliance is likely to be committed by his employees down the line without his direct approval.

Character wise, Trump is a very aggressive and very determined high achiever, perhaps to feed his egomania as a boaster.
One very noticeable weakness with Trump is his very 'thin skin' which again is related to his high ego. I don't see this as a problem if there are no evil and violent intent involved.
In Trump's case there is need to consider a trade off between the positive results he produced and any consequences of the above negative traits. I see a net-positive in Trump's case.

Not that kind of character, I was asking more along the lines of moral character. Faithful? Truthful? Honest? Doesn't take advantage of others. That sort of thing. Above suspicion.

Btw, I did not insist Trump is perfect without blemish in terms of morality. Morality, i.e. good versus evil comes in degrees. The point is how critical are those "immoral" acts that he had committed. Did he murder anyone? I am sure the FBI would have cleared him of any serious immoral acts before allowing him to be a candidate for President.

In terms of truth one has to consider the weightage and criticalness of the statement to some relevant criteria, e.g. National Security, economy, etc.

One problem which is typical and common with most people is he is caught up with generalization without specific qualifications.

E.g. his reference to "Baltimore" in is tweet which is very general whereas the real problem is specifically with West Baltimore and not the whole of Baltimore. I think Trump like everybody presumed that is common public knowledge and expected everyone to know the specific. Perhaps it is because Twitter has a word limit thus he could not elaborate the details.

However from a philosophical point of view, the above is a fallacy of generalization.

One point is whatever statements given by Trump they are open to be fact-checked by the whole world and thus if anything statement is critical it would have been exposed for consideration.

It is difficult to stop Trump from speaking the way he does but what is critical is we need to consider the weightage and criticalness of the truth of the statement and how it will effect the USA and the world.

There are many examples of his "facts" being checked. Does how critical a lie it is, in any way imply it's still not the truth?

His rhetoric is hateful and childish. He refers to anyone who he perceives as an opponent with what he intends as demeaning insults and belittlement.

Note the baseline is the FBI, CIA and other authorities would be cleared him of any significant immoral and evil acts to allow him to be a presidential candidate.

What you are bringing up about Trump are merely 'sweating the small stuffs' as you had been brainwashed and bewitched by the media and the leftists.
What is critical and reasonable is to focus on whether Trump has performed well in accordance to his 'Employment Contract' as President of the USA.

It is obvious the President of the USA's performances is an open book for all to verify. After two and half years, Trump had indeed performed very well in his job.
However what is very sick is the media and the left NEVER report on his achievements but always report negative on Trump in every which way.

Note the recent New York Time changing their headline from neutral truthful reporting to bias lies.
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