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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:09 am

Fuck, the majority of the earths population is hurting bad and you're worried about a prize? Buy yourself a box of cracker jack.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:20 am

Mowk wrote:Fuck, the majority of the earths population is hurting bad and you're worried about a prize? Buy yourself a box of cracker jack.

Rather than pissing on public discussion boards, there is one men actually doing real things to relieve that very problem - your worst nighmare, Mr Donald J Trump.

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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:07 am

Yeah right... Trump has done nothing other then stand in the way.

"You too can loose four times the weight."

How effective is it actually going to be? And who is actually paying for it?
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:55 pm

Mowk wrote:Trump has done nothing other then stand in the way.

Lie.

Mowk wrote:"You too can loose four times the weight."

How effective is it actually going to be? And who is actually paying for it?

Willing defeatism. Hoping for the worst.

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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby MagsJ » Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:08 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:Willing defeatism. Hoping for the worst.

..the way of the Left ..never letting the sitting government get on with the task at hand, shitting all over everything they do, and continually declaring them bad whilst deliberately ignoring all the good that they are doing.

Childish or what?
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:53 pm

Yawn
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:09 pm

MagsJ wrote:Childish or what?

Spoiled. Over privileged. Petulant. Irreverent.
And irrelevant.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby MagsJ » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:53 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Childish or what?

Spoiled. Over privileged. Petulant. Irreverent.
And irrelevant.

..and obviously lost for words, when faced with the truth. :P

Balking, at those that create the very state/State that protects them from the more savage and unruly, that would otherwise hunt them down as prey.. and that’s just for sport and starters.

..and what is their response to all this? to go fishing.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:22 pm

#-o
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:41 am

It is what it is to paraphrase Trump
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:17 am

Me, I am disgusted by both parties. The vice presidential debate? Who answered an actual question... and who took more time then agreed upon?

I respect Mike Pence far more then I respect Trump.

So conservatives would have fought for independence from England? Not likely.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Mowk » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:57 am

What is the "real" toll on the earths population and you're worried about a prize? Are we making progress with our people getting on. Digging the life? All their greatest skills and capacities being fairly bartered for... in good faith?

Real mature of you.

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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:55 am

Mowk wrote:What is the "real" toll on the earths population and you're worried about a prize? Are we making progress with our people getting on. Digging the life? All their greatest skills and capacities being fairly bartered for... in good faith?

Real mature of you.




For a sense of what maturity really is; dig this:




"POLITICO

WHITE HOUSE

‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes

The day-long run of tweets and retweets marked the most frantic stretch of Trump’s public activity since he left Walter Reed.










Donald Trump mounted an overnight Twitter blitz demanding to jail his political enemies and call out allies he says are failing to arrest his rivals swiftly enough.

Trump twice amplified supporters’ criticisms of Attorney General William Barr, including one featuring a meme calling on him to “arrest somebody!” He wondered aloud why his rivals, like President Barack Obama, Democratic nominee Joe Biden and former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton hadn’t been imprisoned for launching a “coup” against his administration.



“Where are all of the arrests?” Trump said, after several dozen tweets on the subject over the past 24 hours. “Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? Long term sentences would have started two years ago. Shameful!”

By early afternoon, Trump was letting loose his frustrations in an all-caps missive that seemed aimed at nobody in particular.

“DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THE BIGGEST OF ALL POLITICAL SCANDALS (IN HISTORY)!!! BIDEN, OBAMA AND CROOKED HILLARY LED THIS TREASONOUS PLOT!!! BIDEN SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO RUN - GOT CAUGHT!!!” Trump tweeted.

The day-long run of tweets and retweets marked the most frantic stretch of Trump’s public activity since he left the presidential suite at Walter Reed Medical Center and returned to treatment at the White House. They also underscored the degree to which Trump remains fixated on his grievances over the Russia probe, and often on obscure aspects of that investigation that are unintelligible to all but its most careful followers.


Since late Tuesday, Trump has vowed to declassify all documents he claims will show improper activity by Obama and his intelligence advisers — before quickly reversing himself and suggesting he had already done so “long ago” — and repeatedly cited Russian intelligence services’ claims that Clinton “stirred up” the Trump-Russia collusion scandal that has dogged his presidency.

The Trump administration has never held a firm position on whether the president’s tweets constitute direct orders; various tell-all books have described how top officials learned which of his instructions — lawful or otherwise — to ignore and which to accommodate. Courts have at times treated Trump’s tweets at official statements. But on other occasions they’ve been brushed off as political banter that lacks the force of law.

Trump’s Twitter feed tends to be a realtime barometer of his offline moods and whims, however — and themes he hits on repeatedly over 280 characters tend to surface in conversations he holds in private.

A Justice Department spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment about whether Trump had ever directly asked Barr to order the arrest of his rivals or if his tweet suggesting as much had veered into territory that Barr once said made his job “impossible.”



In past interviews, Barr has signaled that he has no intention of prosecuting senior Obama administration officials, though he has cast doubt on the motives behind the Russia probe and launched an investigation into its origins.

The review Barr ordered has disappointed Trump in recent weeks as the U.S. attorney tapped to lead it, John Durham, has signaled he might not pursue the kinds of high-profile prosecutions the president and his allies are demanding. Durham’s deputy in the review, veteran Justice Department prosecutor Nora Dennehy, recently quit the faltering effort and returned to the private sector.

“NOW THAT THE RADICAL LEFT DEMOCRATS GOT COUGHT [sic] COLD IN THE (NON) FRIENDLY TRANSFER OF GOVERNMENT, IN FACT, THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN AND WENT FOR A COUP, WE ARE ENTITLED TO ASK THE VOTERS FOR FOUR MORE YEARS,” Trump declared late Wednesday morning. “PLEASE REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU VOTE!”

Trump’s tweet barrage was particularly jarring when set against the political backdrop. Biden has widened his lead over Trump in recent polls, as the president’s support has eroded among women, seniors and other voting blocs that helps him scratch out a victory in 2016. Trump flummoxed his allies Tuesday by summarily shutting down — also via Twitter — negotiations over a coronavirus stimulus bill, only to backtrack hours later by calling on Congress to pass more targeted measures.

But Trump has made clear that he remains focused on punishing perceived enemies regardless of the political cost. While recovering at Walter Reed Monday morning, his chief of staff Mark Meadows told Fox News that Trump had kept busy that morning in part by directing the declassification of documents related to the Russia probe — a set of files he claimed were conclusive proof that Clinton had concocted the notion that his campaign team had ties to Russia even though the Senate Intelligence Committee and the special counsel’s team had rejected the allegations as unverified.

In releasing them, Trump’s own hand-picked intel chief, John Ratcliffe, acknowledged the documents, sourced to Russian intelligence, might have been “exaggerated” or even “fabricated” to deflect from their culpability in the election interference effort.



 



 


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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:18 am

So you think that any evidence of criminal and even treasonous activity of one political party should remain hidden from the people until that party wins the election? And since it would certainly be hidden after they won, you are in favor of hiding evidence from the people because it exposes one party of treason. Yet you get all upset for not being able to peek into the other party's tax returns.

So you favor the US being controlled by known criminals. Interesting outlook. I think they call that sociopathic.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:08 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:So you think that any evidence of criminal and even treasonous activity of one political party should remain hidden from the people until that party wins the election? And since it would certainly be hidden after they won, you are in favor of hiding evidence from the people because it exposes one party of treason. Yet you get all upset for not being able to peek into the other party's tax returns.

So you favor the US being controlled by known criminals. Interesting outlook. I think they call that sociopathic.
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
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I was thinking immaturity as an underdeveloped personality, and You bring up a good point-hos that relates to social pathology.

But to equivocate the developmental overlap between parties and those who represent them, is to commit a fallacious reasoning of trying to fill holes to find what went wrong in a nominal process.

Bias begets all kinds of badfellows, and this is a. quid-pro-po of the current situation, where bias is all consuming.

It includes more then what may be implied. Lets not then nump to such things as relationships showing affinity to underground mob connections, for instance
The 'mob, nowedays, are as clean as any virtuous man, for instance.

It is hard to find generic specimens from many generations removed from the dark days of turf warfare

You cannot make America great again, returning to an unbridled social mix.


But do not get me wrong, I get YOU. about the swamp being so deeply mired in 'National Security' , that it boggles the mind.

It is other people, like Sartre said, that make life on earth hell..
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Re: Trump enters the stage - twilight zone revisited in my l

Postby Meno_ » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:12 pm

The ideal stage is running out , the characters searching for Authors constituting relatively congruently believable values diminished to an unbearable show of insecurity among characters.

The plot has become so thick with soap opera drama that the state of the progress of said play, has become overly routine and familier :It's Their fault . Just vote for the most familiar guy who can evoke sweet nonsense.

Then things will eventually turn out. With AI and high tech leading the way.( If HE ultimately turns out to become benevolent)

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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:54 pm

The question was - do you favor hiding the evidence that would either convict or exculpate those suspected?

There are two parties involved.

[*] One party has already been proven to have been involved in espionage and treason but there is more evidence being hidden.

[*] The other party is suspected of perhaps owing money to someone.

All of the Marxist media that you read and promote favor hiding the treason and keeping the people focused on the owing of money. The media obviously favors the hiding of evidence. I am asking if you also favor hiding the evidence. And then of course - Why?
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:40 pm

A guy by the name of Robert Broke suggested :

"The rise of modern liberalism , which stresses the dual forced of radical egaliterianism(the equality of outcomes rather then opportunities) and radical individualism ( the drastic reduction of limits to personal gratification.)

The roots of modern liberalism are deeply embedded in the past two and a half centuries - and perhaps -arise from the very nature of Western civilization itself."

The holes created by liberalism into conventional wisdom may be hidden not by individual intent, but by the lapse of memory set in in accordance to social process.

That is the only objection I have to Your description of what's happening. .
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:37 pm

So you refuse to answer the question?
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:03 am

obsrvr524 wrote:So you refuse to answer the question?
That is a part of the Marxist strategy of distraction.





And the question was :


"The question was - do you favor hiding the evidence that would either convict or exculpate those suspected?

There are two parties involved.

[*] One party has already been proven to have been involved in espionage and treason but there is more evidence being hidden.

[*] The other party is suspected of perhaps owing money to someone.-------"



well it's not an either-or situation, you can own taxes and you can hide that for the source of the indebtedness

That may just be as bad as hiding other intelligence matters. That is what I mean by a conflation of sources -(outcomes and their opportunities) they bleed into each other so they cannot be expunged or validated

They stand as facts, covered by lingo few but political 'experts ' understand.
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Re: Trump enters the stage - will he go for peaceful transit

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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:42 am

Meno_ wrote: well it's not an either-or situation, you can own taxes and you can hide that for the source of the indebtedness

That may just be as bad as hiding other intelligence matters. That is what I mean by a conflation of sources -(outcomes and their opportunities) they bleed into each other so they cannot be expunged or validated

They stand as facts, covered by lingo few but political 'experts ' understand.

And that is what they call "obfuscation", the primary tactic of Marxism - relying on word games.

So it seems that yes, you do support hiding evidence of treason as long as that evidence involves the Marxist party. We will probably never know if you would support hiding evidence of treason if it involved the constitution party although from your litany of quotes from communist Marxist media outlets we can make a safe bet.

And all of that leads to the probability that you also favor being lied to, having criminals and liars run your country, and dismissing the Bill of Rights entirely.

I just wanted to clear that up before making any category judgments.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:09 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Meno_ wrote: well it's not an either-or situation, you can own taxes and you can hide that for the source of the indebtedness

That may just be as bad as hiding other intelligence matters. That is what I mean by a conflation of sources -(outcomes and their opportunities) they bleed into each other so they cannot be expunged or validated

They stand as facts, covered by lingo few but political 'experts ' understand.

And that is what they call "obfuscation", the primary tactic of Marxism - relying on word games.

So it seems that yes, you do support hiding evidence of treason as long as that evidence involves the Marxist party. We will probably never know if you would support hiding evidence of treason if it involved the constitution party although from your litany of quotes from communist Marxist media outlets we can make a safe bet.

And all of that leads to the probability that you also favor being lied to, having criminals and liars run your country, and dismissing the Bill of Rights entirely.

I just wanted to clear that up before making any category judgments.




Marxism is merely a trace that has negated any essential significance to society. It is an outworn , faded idea that failed.

What troubles everyone nowedays is not the ideas permeating I lost ideology, but the fear of a universal identifiable changes of value which. try to recognize some need for unity between a conventional and a Freudian economy. It is the shift from categorical assumptions toward structural , universal change, with impending accaleration.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:07 am

Meno_ wrote:Marxism is merely a trace that has negated any essential significance to society. It is an outworn , faded idea that failed.

Try telling that to the Seattle Washington city council or the BLM leaders.

Meno_ wrote:What troubles everyone nowedays is not the ideas permeating I lost ideology, but the fear of a universal identifiable changes of value which. try to recognize some need for unity between a conventional and a Freudian economy. It is the shift from categorical assumptions toward structural , universal change, with impending accaleration.

Deflection. "The problem isn't what you see. The problem is you being afraid of it. You are just a weak person. You can't accept the greater good to come. It's not communist aggression. It's just progress toward a brighter, more balance, heavenly future."

You are at least very consistent in your communist Marxism.
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Re: Trump enters the stage - clouds roll in on certainty

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:42 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Marxism is merely a trace that has negated any essential significance to society. It is an outworn , faded idea that failed.

Try telling that to the Seattle Washington city council or the BLM leaders.






Meno_ wrote:What troubles everyone nowedays is not the ideas permeating I lost ideology, but the fear of a universal identifiable changes of value which. try to recognize some need for unity between a conventional and a Freudian economy. It is the shift from categorical assumptions toward structural , universal change, with impending accaleration.

Deflection. "The problem isn't what you see. The problem is you being afraid of it. You are just a weak person. You can't accept the greater good to come. It's not communist aggression. It's just progress toward a brighter, more balance, heavenly future."

You are at least very consistent in your communist Marxism.




It is possible and I never totally discounted an ideological nihilism referenced as some do, by confirming that

history is dead.

The uncertain political fabric produces either this of that, with almost metapolitical uncertainty, confirming Kant, but not necessarily Marx, of Hegel.

Science has replaced god as the enabler of utopia.




The insecure Trump finds himself in an approaching uncdrtainty:

"Democracy Dies in Darkness



The Fix

Analysis

Down in the polls and yearning for an October surprise, Trump lashes at his most loyal allies












"There was much about President Trump’s Thursday morning interview with Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo that reeked of desperation and an incumbent president fighting for his political life. He decided to go down the “unlikable” path with Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) and called her a “monster.” He said he wouldn’t participate in a virtual debate with former vice president Joe Biden next week. He suggested he might win heavily blue New York state. He even cast doubt on polls showing him down by double digits — by pointing to boaters and truck owners who support him."


Politico




>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a feeling that the big October surprise will be the -look out- the show of balanced mind correlating with the final outcome from see-see-saw sources, to pull out the stimulus carrot stick out of appearant ashes-at the last dramatic moment before the election, for maximum punch.

I may be wrong, but apart from an equally but uncertain array of possibilities, this has a kind of reality about it.

He couldn't at this stage wag the dog, .......or, could he? That would indicate more a president unhinged, and would certainly be stopped by the brass.

An announcement of declaring the 100% effectivity of a vaccine would be viewed with doubtful credulity, o the carrot stick option may be the most likely.


I think the China syndrome has been overplayed, because the march toward the NWO allows plenty of slack to those who would rather see the US as the prime example for the decline of the west.

For all said and done, China still is and will be for a long time, merely a paper tiger.
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