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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war? North Korean violation

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:53 am

WASHINGTON, June 7 (Reuters) - North Korea could conduct a seventh nuclear test at "any time" and has shown no interest in returning to negotiations, the U.S. Special Representative for North Korea said on Tuesday.

"North Korea has test-launched an unprecedented number of ballistic missiles this year and its officials have also used rhetoric that could suggest plans for the use of tactical nuclear weapons, Sung Kim told reporters."
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pm

"Russian state TV personality Vladimir Solovyov has warned that if NATO keeps supporting Ukraine in President Vladimir Putin's war, there will be a "massive nuclear strike" that will see only "mutants" survive."


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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war? Struggle within eastern o

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"The theologian, Church historian, and composer is one of the most internationally visible figures in the Russian Orthodox Church.


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Metropolitan Hilarion has been released from his position as the Russian Orthodox Church’s chief ecumenical official, it emerged on Tuesday.

The 55-year-old had served as chairman of the Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate since 2009.

The theologian, Church historian, and composer is one of the most internationally visible figures in the Russian Orthodox Church. In the role sometimes described as the Moscow Patriarchate’s “foreign minister,” he met with Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.

The Moscow Patriarchate’s official website said on June 7 that the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church had decided that Metropolitan Hilarion would oversee the Diocese of Budapest and Hungary.


It explained that he “was released from his duties” as chairman of the Department for External Church Relations and as a permanent member of the Holy Synod, a position connected to his role as chairman.

The official website said that the next chairman of the Department for External Church Relations would be the 37-year-old Metropolitan Anthony of Chersonesus and Western Europe. It did not offer an explanation for the personnel changes.


As the Russian Orthodox Church’s chief ecumenical officer, Metropolitan Hilarion attended international Catholic events and visited the Vatican.

In September 2021, he gave the opening catechesis at the International Eucharistic Congress in Budapest.

In December 2021, he met with Pope Francis at the Vatican. The meeting raised hopes of a second encounter between the pope and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church. But the plans were abandoned following the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine."


Kirill , the Eastern Orthodix Church Pope is a Putin surrogate and friend, and the Mertropilitans dismissal suggests an ideologicL struggle within the Orthodox Catholic Church.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:03 pm

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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:21 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Been away.. I have no idea what’s been going on.. gotta catch up.





Here is something that's come up somewhat terrifying:





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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:01 pm

Meno_ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Been away.. I have no idea what’s been going on.. gotta catch up.

Here is something that's come up somewhat terrifying:

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... er-attacks

That site is asking for Agreement without options, so maybe post a synopsis from it.. tho the article link title says it all.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:11 pm

Yes and this newest:


"It’s a troubling question with no palatable answer: What would President Joe Biden do if Russia used nuclear weapons in the Ukraine war?

A half dozen current and former government officials briefed on the issue, and several outside experts, told NBC News there was no playbook and little agreement about how the U.S. would respond to a norm-shattering act of destruction that could obliterate a Ukrainian city, kill tens of thousands and send a cloud of nuclear fallout drifting over NATO countries in Western Europe.


This isn’t new to the Biden administration. In fact, when the Obama administration conducted a war game simulating Russian use of nuclear weapons in the Baltics, there were fundamental disagreements about how to react.


U.S. intelligence officials say they have seen no signs that Russian President Vladimir Putin is poised to employ so-called battlefield nukes, but several versions of Russian military doctrine published since 2000 have envisioned the first use of nuclear weapons in response to a conventional threat in a regional war. And military experts say Russia’s smallest warheads have many times the explosive power of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As the U.S. continues to send ever more sophisticated weapons designed to help Ukraine destroy invading Russian forces, American officials tell NBC News the Biden administration has for months been thinking the unthinkable about what Putin could do — and war-gaming scenarios envisioning Russia using an atomic bomb on Ukraine.

“We don’t see … practical evidence at this point of Russian planning for the deployment or even potential use of tactical nuclear weapons,” CIA Director William Burns said last month. But, he added, “given the kind of saber-rattling that ... we’ve heard from the Russian leadership, we can’t take lightly those possibilities.”


NBC News talked to a half dozen current and former officials briefed on the issue, and several outside experts. Current officials declined to speak on the record, citing the sensitivity of the planning.

It’s fair to say that the American response “would depend wildly on how the Russians used” a nuclear weapon, as one U.S. official regularly briefed on U.S. government deliberations put it.

A demonstration shot over the Black Sea? A strike on Ukrainian troops in a remote area? Or far more provocative scenarios, such as a devastating blow to a major Ukrainian city or a nuclear attack on a NATO country?

The menu of American options is stark, officials and outside experts say: Stay the course, up the sanctions and keep arming the Ukrainians, while building an international coalition against Russia that completely isolates the country; launch a conventional military attack on Russian forces in Ukraine or Russia; or respond with a nuclear attack. Unless a NATO country was hit, the U.S. would not have any obligation to respond.


Some military and intelligence officials told NBC News they believe it’s unlikely the U.S. would retaliate militarily after a single Russian use of a so-called tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine. Others said Biden would have to unleash some conventional force, perhaps attacking Russian troops in Ukraine or the Russian military unit that launched the nuclear weapon, an option that could have serious repercussions, since Russian military leaders might be killed.

If Russia used a nuclear weapon of any type, “I expect (the president) to say we’re in a new situation, and the U.S. will directly enter the war against Russia to stop this government that has not only broken so many international laws and violated human rights but also now violated the nuclear taboo,” said Evelyn Farkas, a former top Pentagon official for Russia and now executive director of the McCain Institute. “Putin will be signing the order on changing the regime.”

But two U.S. officials briefed on the issue did not agree, with one saying, “Unless they use them on NATO we’re probably not going to respond militarily.”

Under this thinking, Biden would not want to risk an escalation into a full-scale nuclear war that leads to the destruction of American cities. But he might not have to, because if Putin were to go nuclear, experts believe most other countries in the world, including many that are sitting on the fence in the current conflict, would quickly turn against and isolate Russia.

“The whole world would stop,” said Joseph Cirincione, a nuclear expert and distinguished fellow at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

A remote possibility that can’t be taken lightly
American and Western national security officials tell NBC News there has been no sign that Russia has moved tactical nuclear weapons out of storage facilities. Intelligence officials have said they assess that Putin would consider nukes only if he believed his regime was in mortal danger.

But two U.S. officials, citing American intelligence assessments, say some in Putin’s inner circle have encouraged him to test a nuclear weapon as a show of strength during moments when his conventional forces have struggled in Ukraine. The officials said there is continuing concern that Putin could choose this option if he believes Russia has been backed into a corner.

Putin placed Moscow’s nuclear forces on high alert shortly after his invasion of Ukraine began on Feb. 24, and he warned that “no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to the destruction and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor.” But U.S. officials told NBC News they did not see any changes to their footprint or movements at the time. In April, Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov warned the West not to underestimate the elevated risks of nuclear conflict over Ukraine. Putin supporters on Russian state TV in recent weeks have talked openly about a nuclear war with the U.S. and Europe.

All this comes against the backdrop of a Russian nuclear doctrine that has evolved in what Western officials consider disturbing ways. In a 1993 document, Russia said it would use nuclear weapons only when the existence of the country was threatened. But in versions published since 2000, Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to any weapons of mass destruction used to attack Russia and its allies, according to scholars who have examined it.

The doctrine also allows for the use of nuclear weapons “in response to large-scale aggression using conventional weapons in situations critical to the national security of the Russian Federation.” Experts have described that strategy as “escalate to de-escalate,” and they say it means that Russia is willing to make limited use of nuclear weapons to win what would otherwise be a conventional war.

On paper, U.S. nuclear doctrine is similar, but in practical terms, experts do not believe an American president would ever use nuclear weapons in a regional conventional war, and the U.S. has not, through Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Officials say the main purpose of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is to deter or respond to a nuclear attack by an adversary. Still, the U.S. has not ruled out using nuclear weapons in response to biological or chemical attacks, and in some limited circumstances, conventional attacks. It still maintains around 100 nuclear weapons in NATO countries, put there originally to stop Russian tanks from seizing Western Europe.

Nuclear warning shot?
Officials are struggling to understand exactly what could prompt Putin to use a nuclear weapon. To cement gains made on the battlefield? To reverse losses? To stave off a rout?

“It’s not clear where that red line is. If Ukrainian forces were to enter Russian territory, would that be sufficient? I don’t know," said Chris Chivvis, who served from April 2018 to April 2021 as the U.S. national intelligence officer for Europe.

Citing the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008, its seizure of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in 2014 and the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 U.S. election, he added, “The reality is we have been surprised by Russia three or four times in the last 15 years.”

Although technology exists to make battlefield nuclear weapons smaller than those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Russia does not have warheads that small, according to Jeffrey Lewis, a nuclear expert at the Middlebury Institute. All of its so-called tactical nuclear weapons have enormous explosive power. There is no technological distinction between “tactical” nuclear weapons and “strategic” ones — the difference is in the targets and the goals. Tactical nukes are used to gain advantage on the battlefield, while strategic weapons are aimed at military infrastructure and even whole cities.

If Russia decided to use one, its options could include an attack on an airbase or other military target, an attack on a Ukrainian city or a test of a nuclear weapon at a remote site — a warning shot designed to signal Moscow’s willingness to use the ultimate weapon, former officials said. It could deliver the weapon as a bomb, or via a missile.

Although none of these scenarios are likely, the nuclear test could be the most attractive for Moscow, some experts said.

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Testing a nuclear weapon would be an extraordinarily provocative step, something only North Korea has done in this century.

A test above ground would risk radioactive material drifting into populated areas in Russian territory or NATO countries, depending on where it was carried out and the weather conditions. The former Soviet Union’s last nuclear test was carried out underground in 1989.

If Russia faced impending defeat in Ukraine, a single "demonstration attack," either on Ukrainian territory or possibly on the Black Sea, could seek to “convey their resolve, to try to force terror on the other party and get the Ukrainians to fold,” said Rose Gottemoeller, a former deputy secretary general of NATO who is now at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies.

“They would be trying to strike terror into the hearts of the Ukrainians, get them to back down, get them even to concede defeat,” Gottemoeller said.

“Whatever he (Putin) did, he would do it in the belief that it would ensure his survival and perhaps compel surrender or retreat for the Ukrainians.”

Instead of a nuclear exchange with the U.S., “Russia has many options that it could employ either in Ukraine or elsewhere that would be much smaller steps up the nuclear escalatory ladder, but that nevertheless would represent a sea change in world history,“ said Chivvis, now a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment think tank.

“I worry that people are not being open-minded to the reality that there are scenarios in which Russia could use nuclear weapons. They’re not the most likely scenarios, but to be responsible, we have to figure that into our thinking about this conflict,” he said.

Strategic ambiguity
The Biden administration has intentionally avoided spelling out how it would respond if Russia launched a nuclear attack in Ukraine, leaving open the possibility of retaliating with nuclear weapons, conventional forces, a cyber operation or other means.

“We have to be crystal clear in our policy of warning him of a swift and decisive response, without necessarily being unambiguous about what that would be,” said Alexander Vershbow, who served as deputy secretary general of NATO from 2012 to 2016 and as ambassador to Russia from 2001 to 2005.

Biden would have to at least consider a major conventional military response in support of Ukraine, former U.S. officials said.

A Russian attack on Ukraine with a tactical nuclear weapon would pose an excruciating dilemma for Washington and its NATO allies. Biden and Western political leaders would have to weigh a response that would avoid triggering a full-blown nuclear conflict with Russia, while still imposing a heavy cost on Moscow.

Jeffrey Edmonds, an expert on the Russian military at the CNA think tank, says there are four possible response scenarios, only two of which are plausible: Capitulate and sue for peace; stay the course with sanctions and pressure; mount a conventional attack to punish Russia; respond with a nuclear attack on Russia.

The real choice, he believes, is either staying the course or a conventional attack.

Biden could decide that “what we’re doing is working, we’re just going to keep going, we’re going to take the moral high ground.”

Presumably, Russia would become more isolated diplomatically and international sanctions pressure would ratchet up. But Edmonds noted that calls for a military response to a Russian use of nuclear weapons would be “deafening” in Washington.

In his book “The Bomb,” about nuclear war planning, author Fred Kaplan writes about a National Security Council war game during the Obama administration that simulated a Russian tactical nuclear attack on a NATO country during a Russian invasion of one of the Baltic States. Lower level officials decided not to respond with a nuclear weapon, instead continuing to fight with conventional forces. But when the same scenario was presented to Cabinet level officials, they decided that the U.S. had to respond with a nuclear attack, and they targeted Russian ally Belarus.

“I think that’s nuts,” Cirincione said. “There is a belief that you can have a limited nuclear exchange. You don’t want to get in that box, because once you are in that nuclear war-fighting mindset, you can’t control it.”

The Biden administration’s track record so far suggests it would move cautiously, in consultation with its European allies, and seek to avoid plunging the world into a nuclear conflagration, former officials said.

The administration has faced criticism that it has moved too slowly to send advanced weapons to Ukraine, but the White House’s supporters say the administration has focused on avoiding actions that could escalate the crisis into a direct clash between Russia and the U.S.

Realistically, the U.S. would look for ways to respond short of launching a nuclear weapon, possibly through cyber operations or other support for Ukraine, said Gottemoeller.

The United States would need to avoid any kind of nuclear escalation in the interest of the U.S. and its allies, but also for “global survival,” she said.

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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:01 pm

How to avoid being a pawn in the hands of the enemy:

Unless a wizard pulls you into a quest to get close enough to nip it in the bud (li’l late), Hobbits don’t know all the details and should just enjoy the daily life of the shire instead of peace being ruined by manipulators. Refuse to participate in any conflict until transparently, verifiably educated about it. You are not their pieces.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:46 am

A sneak into Russian fed mentality:



https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-argues-over-



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"During a joint press conference in Kyiv with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron, Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi and Romanian President Klaus Iohannis, Zelensky told his counterparts that Russia's attack on Ukraine amounted to an attack on all of Europe:"




Fiona Hills says when she was an intelligence officer under Mr. Trump, she sat next to Mr Putin at an official dinner function
She observed him.


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Zelensky says Ukraine is ready to work to join EU, but needs more powerful weapons to defeat Russians




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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:26 am

"https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/15/politics/latvian-foreign-minister-interview/index.html
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:42 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/17/europe/r ... index.html


Reunstitutiin of the 'vacuum left behind by the deontology of the dialectic.

A quantum irony of an absurd interpretation



Just a silly comment


But the observation of this onset tiling irony became apparent Immediately after the Reagan- Gorbachev agreement.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:33 pm

"Russian separatists ask Moscow for ballistic missiles to counter Ukrainian artillery"


While Zelinsky is asking a US company to build an anti missle asset to counter such a peril, code named 'Dome'


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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:47 pm

Meno_ wrote:"Russian separatists ask Moscow for ballistic missiles to counter Ukrainian artillery"


While Zelinsky is asking a US company to build an anti missle asset to counter such a peril, code named 'Dome'


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..at the loss of more and more lives.

..and just when you think it’s coming to an end.. it isn’t. :-s
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:57 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:"Russian separatists ask Moscow for ballistic missiles to counter Ukrainian artillery"


While Zelinsky is asking a US company to build an anti missle asset to counter such a peril, code named 'Dome'


Fox News

..at the loss of more and more lives.

..and just when you think it’s coming to an end.. it isn’t. :-s





It all smells of that nasty sounding word 'buildup'
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:37 am

A good sign?



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Kazakhstan President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, an ally of Vladimir Putin, spoke out against aspects of the Ukraine war in a rare display of discord between the two leaders.



Speaking in the presence of the Russian president at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum on Friday, Tokayev said Kazakhstan will not recognize the self-proclaimed independence of Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

"If the right to self-determination is put into practice all over the world, then there will be over 600 countries instead of the 193 states that are currently members of the United Nations. Of course, that would be chaos," Tokayev said.


Tokayev made the remarks in response to a question from moderator Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of Russian state-controlled media outlet RT after Putin argued that his so-called "special military operation" was protecting Russian speakers in the Donbas region.



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Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has spoken out against aspects of the Ukraine war, in a rare display of discord between himself and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Above, Tokayev (L) shakes hands with Putin (R) during the annual meeting of Valdai International Discussion Club in Sochi, Russia on October 3, 2019.
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Days before Putin declared an invasion of Ukraine on February 24, he recognized the Russian-backed breakaway areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent entities—a move that was met with widespread condemnation from the West.

Tokayev said during the forum in St. Petersburg that Kazakhstan will not recognize Donetsk and Luhansk, the same as it does not recognize Taiwan, Kosovo, South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

Kazakhstan does not recognize "quasi-state territories which, in our view, is what Luhansk and Donetsk are," Tokayev said.

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"A contingent of CSTO peacekeeping forces has been sent to Kazakhstan—and I want to emphasize this—for a limited time period," Putin said in January.

"The measures taken by the CSTO made it clear that we would not let anyone destabilize the situation at our home and implement so-called color revolution scenarios," Putin added at the time.

Kazakhstan and Russia are also both members of the Eurasian Economic Union, a Moscow-led union that Putin likes to portray as a Eurasian replica of the European Union. It consists of some post-Soviet states in Eurasia and includes Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:43 am

Lithuania's decision to ban the transit of certain goods between Russia and its isolated exclave of Kaliningrad has provoked wrath among top officials in Moscow, and even a threat of retaliation against the European nation. Kaliningrad shares land borders with two NATO nations, Lithuania and "Poland, but not Russia. Captured from Nazi Germany by the Soviet Red Army in 1945 and later ceded to the Soviet Union, the Russian territory is home to about 500,000 people."



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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby origami » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:50 am

Meno_ wrote:Lithuania's decision to ban the transit of certain goods between Russia and its isolated exclave of Kaliningrad has provoked wrath among top officials in Moscow, and even a threat of retaliation against the European nation. Kaliningrad shares land borders with two NATO nations, Lithuania and "Poland, but not Russia. Captured from Nazi Germany by the Soviet Red Army in 1945 and later ceded to the Soviet Union, the Russian territory is home to about 500,000 people."



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I guess they still think they can cajole the US into joining the conflict. That was their strategy in Hilary Clinton's time too, to try to provoke Russia into attacking Lithuania so that the US would be forced to intervene. It's doubtful that Russia will be baited, this is just jockeying for position. Maybe a statement of intent, that if the EU doesn't collapse or get severely weakened by its current financial troubles, its policy will be one of isolating Russia even at the level of border villages, regardless of what happens in Ukraine.

This extremeism will make its position ever more difficult to hold. If it doesn't win them the game, it will paint them into a corner.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby origami » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:54 am

Meno_ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:"Russian separatists ask Moscow for ballistic missiles to counter Ukrainian artillery"


While Zelinsky is asking a US company to build an anti missle asset to counter such a peril, code named 'Dome'


Fox News

..at the loss of more and more lives.

..and just when you think it’s coming to an end.. it isn’t. :-s





It all smells of that nasty sounding word 'buildup'


Or the more agreeable aroma of 'stalemate.'
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:38 pm

Oregami says:


"It all smells of that nasty sounding word 'buildup'


Or the more agreeable aroma of 'stalemate.'"


In light of the above how this geopolitical repositionative initiative sound? Dies it smell stale, mate?

It all smells of that nasty sounding word 'buildup'


Or the more agreeable aroma of 'stalemate.'
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:47 pm

Meno_ wrote:Oregami says:


"It all smells of that nasty sounding word 'buildup'


Or the more agreeable aroma of 'stalemate.'"


In light of the above how this geopolitical repositionative initiative sound? Dies it smell stale, mate?

It all smells of that nasty sounding word 'buildup'


Or the more agreeable aroma of 'stalemate.'






China's Xi Jinping Takes Swipe at U.S. 'Position of Strength' at BRICS
BY JOHN FENG ON 6/23/22 AT 5:23 AM EDT
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Chinese leader Xi Jinping dismissed as folly President Joe Biden's intention to ensure that the United States competes with China from a "position of strength."



During a virtual address from Beijing for the annual BRICS Business Forum, China's president repeated his view of the world as undergoing changes "unseen in a century." He used the occasion to push back against U.S. alliance-building in Asia, as well as the West's sweeping sanctions against Russia, which Xi warns may have unintended consequences.

"In the past century, humanity has gone through the scourge of two world wars and the dark shadow of the Cold War. The tragedies of the past tell us that hegemony, group politics and bloc confrontation bring no peace or security; they only lead to wars and conflicts," Xi told the event, which was attended by representatives and business groups from Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.


"The Ukraine crisis is another wake-up call for all in the world. It reminds us that blind faith in the so-called 'position of strength' and attempts to expand military alliances and seek one's own security at the expense of others will only land oneself in a security dilemma," he said, in a direct reference to Biden's policy directive to compete with China "from a position of strength by building back better at home and working with our allies and partners."

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The same phrase has also been picked up by Secretary of State Antony Blinken and others at the State Department. Their Chinese counterparts have protested the framing as condescending from the very start.

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The fraught relationship between the U.S. and China has only worsened as a result of their contrasting positions on Russia's invasion of Ukraine—Washington with its outright condemnation of Moscow, and Beijing, mindful of its vital strategic partnership with the Kremlin, refraining from the same.

The U.S. argues that China's stated neutrality on the conflict is disingenuous, while China blames the West and NATO for triggering the war by failing to consider Russia's "legitimate security concerns."

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Despite the U.S.'s view of Russia as an "acute threat," it sees China as the only country with both the intent and the capability to reshape the postwar international order in its image, at the expense of American interests and those of its closest allies.

Since the outbreak of conflict in Europe, Xi has sought to convince Beijing's neighbors to contemplate the specter of war in Asia. In April, he proposed a "global security initiative" for the region to take its long-term security into its own hands, and by extension expel the U.S.-led alliance architecture.

During his BRICS speech, Xi referenced his initiative once more, urging countries to "stay committed to the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security."

"We in the international community should reject zero-sum games and jointly oppose hegemonism and power politics. We should build a new type of international relations based on mutual respect, fairness, justice and win-win cooperation," he said.

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The Chinese leader, who observers believe will seek, and secure, an unprecedented third term in office this November, drew attention to the world's ongoing battle against COVID, as well as the energy, food and debt crises.

He also took an indirect swipe at the recently enacted Uyghur Force Labor Prevention Act in the U.S., accusing certain unnamed countries of "deliberate disruptions" to supply chains. Xi also suggested Western sanctions against Russia would spillover into developing countries, also harming those who imposed them.

"It has been proved time and again that sanctions are a boomerang and a double-edged sword. To politicize the global economy and turn it into one's tool or weapon, and willfully impose sanctions by using one's primary position in the international financial and monetary systems will only end up hurting one's own interests as well as those of others, and inflict suffering on everyone," he said, again without explicitly naming the U.S.

Key U.S. partner New Delhi has continued its strategically important economic relationship with Moscow despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

At a Center for a New American Security conference last week, the White House's Indo-Pacific coordinator, Kurt Campbell, said it wasn't realistic to expect all U.S. allies and partners to adopt the same position on Russia's actions, given unique national interests.

However, Campbell said the long-term goal was to ensure that the West, including the U.S., could provide India with other viable alternatives, especially for its defense industry, which is at present reliant on Russian-made equipment.

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In this combination image, President Xi Jinping (R) of China attends the BRICS Summit in Brasilia, Brazil, on November 14, 2019. The Chinese leader was critical of U.S. alliance-building in Asia and Western sanctions on Russia in his opening remarks at the BRICS Business Forum on June 22, 2022 and U.S. President Joe Biden speaks about gas prices in the South Court Auditorium at the White House campus on June 22, 2022 in Washington, DC.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:10 pm

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NATO warns of long battle in Ukraine as starvation looms

The secretary-general of the NATO military alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, has warned Western nations to prepare for a long war in Ukraine, adding to global concerns about worldwide food shortages linked to the conflict which has entered its 100th day.


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US President Joe Biden pledges to send Ukraine more advanced rocket artillery systems, as Ukraine struggles to defend eastern territories against Russia’s ongoing invasion.


EU agrees to block most, but not all, Russian oil

European Union leaders say they will block most Russian oil imports by the end of 2022 to punish Moscow for invading Ukraine. But the EU embargo will only affect oil that arrives by sea following opposition from Hungary.
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:33 pm

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Battles overshadow 25th anniversary NATO-Russia Accord

Battles rage in eastern Ukraine on the 25th anniversary of a crucial agreement between the NATO military alliance and Russia that helped ease East-West tensions after the Cold War.

The NATO-Russia Founding Act, signed on May 27, 1997, long ensured cooperation between the military alliance and Moscow. But on Friday, the two sides edged closer to a direct confrontation.

Several U.S. and European defense sources say NATO troops are even active in Ukraine to back the Ukrainian army in its battle against Russia's military.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky warned that Donbas could be emptied of its population amid relentless Russian shelling. He warned that, "the current offensive by the occupiers in the Donbas could make the region uninhabited. They want to turn the towns of Popasna, Bakhmut, Lyman, Lysyschansk, and Sievierodonetsk into smoldering ashes. Like they did with the towns of Volnovakha and Mariupol."
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Re: dasein and thermo-nuclear war?

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