Marxist Conquest of the US

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:22 pm

Sculptor wrote:Okay I made a mistake.
I tend to put all the idiots in one convenient box.

You stupid cunt, you said I'd be incapable of providing the names of the founders/leaders of BLM.
Not only did I give you their names, but I have a video of one of them admitting she's a Marxist.
What do you have to say for yourself, goof?
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:42 pm

No Marxist would wear hoop earrings like that. We do not reificate the commodification of the raw materials of earrings with these frivolous metaphysical niceties. Small studs are sufficient for ear ornamentation.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:45 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Okay I made a mistake.
I tend to put all the idiots in one convenient box.

You stupid cunt, you said I'd be incapable of providing the names of the founders/leaders of BLM.
Not only did I give you their names, but I have a video of one of them admitting she's a Marxist.
What do you have to say for yourself, goof?


K: the problem you face is this, so the fuck what if the leaders say "I am Marxists"
that doesn't mean shit unless we have context...there are a dozen different schools
of Marxism.... unless we get context, you are nothing more the UR or Observe,
babbling about the "Marxist's democrats"

you might say, "they admit to being Marxists" and so what? what does that even mean?
give us some context as to how if the leaders of BLM say they are "Marxists''
what does that mean to the organization of BLM? does that automatically
make BLM a Marxists organization? nope, not at all....has the organization
of "BLM" advocated for such Marxists ideas as "the state owns all businesses"
the means of production? have they advocated for no private property?
has BLM advocated for the "traditional" Marxists ideas? no, quite clearly
they have not....so what the fuck does it mean if their leaders are Marxists
and they don't advocate Marxists ideals?

context, context, context.... give us some context to your statements.

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:51 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
Sculptor wrote:Okay I made a mistake.
I tend to put all the idiots in one convenient box.

You stupid cunt, you said I'd be incapable of providing the names of the founders/leaders of BLM.
Not only did I give you their names, but I have a video of one of them admitting she's a Marxist.
What do you have to say for yourself, goof?


K: the problem you face is this, so the fuck what if the leaders say "I am Marxists"
that doesn't mean shit unless we have context...there are a dozen different schools
of Marxism.... unless we get context, you are nothing more the UR or Observe,
babbling about the "Marxist's democrats"

you might say, "they admit to being Marxists" and so what? what does that even mean?
give us some context as to how if the leaders of BLM say they are "Marxists''
what does that mean to the organization of BLM? does that automatically
make BLM a Marxists organization? nope, not at all....has the organization
of "BLM" advocated for such Marxists ideas as "the state owns all businesses"
the means of production? have they advocated for no private property?
has BLM advocated for the "traditional" Marxists ideas? no, quite clearly
they have not....so what the fuck does it mean if their leaders are Marxists
and they don't advocate Marxists ideals?

context, context, context.... give us some context to your statements.

Kropotkin

If their leaders are Marxists, then Marxism is bound to permeate their sociopolitical organization to varying degrees.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:00 pm

K: the problem you face is this, so the fuck what if the leaders say "I am Marxists"
that doesn't mean shit unless we have context...there are a dozen different schools
of Marxism.... unless we get context, you are nothing more the UR or Observe,
babbling about the "Marxist's democrats"

you might say, "they admit to being Marxists" and so what? what does that even mean?
give us some context as to how if the leaders of BLM say they are "Marxists''
what does that mean to the organization of BLM? does that automatically
make BLM a Marxists organization? nope, not at all....has the organization
of "BLM" advocated for such Marxists ideas as "the state owns all businesses"
the means of production? have they advocated for no private property?
has BLM advocated for the "traditional" Marxists ideas? no, quite clearly
they have not....so what the fuck does it mean if their leaders are Marxists
and they don't advocate Marxists ideals?

context, context, context.... give us some context to your statements.

G: If their leaders are Marxists, then Marxism is bound to permeate their sociopolitical organization to varying degrees.

K: wow, have you sunk so low as to make an argument that Observe or UR would make?

OK, what is Marxism and how does it relate to what BLM is trying to do?
is what BLM doing, Marxists? what you are doing is implying something that
doesn't exists... in fact, I would suggest that BLM isn't Marxist enough...
that it needs to be more Marxist if it wants to continue to be relevant...
but Kropotkin, what does that Mean? Give us some context to your
statement... how does BLM need to be more Marxists?....

context, context, context....

without context, words, sentences, paragraphs and even books
have no meaning...they are just random words placed onto a page
in a random order....BLM is Marxist....so give us some context....
the journalism code... who, what, when, where, how and why.....

or you have just placed random words in random places....


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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:02 pm

They're founders/leaders are Marxists, they're pushing far left policies, they're committing violence en masse, if they're not calling for the wholesale nationalization of the economy just yet, it's only because they're gradualists and they know this shit takes time.
Clearly they're working towards that objective.
That they're not denouncing the violence their members are committing makes their founders/leaders and the whole organization complicit in it.
They're a Marxist, terrorist hate group.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:51 pm

Gloominary wrote:They're founders/leaders are Marxists, they're pushing far left policies, they're committing violence en masse, if they're not calling for the wholesale nationalization of the economy just yet, it's only because they're gradualists and they know this shit takes time.
Clearly they're working towards that objective.
That they're not denouncing the violence their members are committing makes their founders/leaders and the whole organization complicit in it.
They're a Marxist, terrorist hate group.

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:52 pm

Gloominary wrote:They're founders/leaders are Marxists, they're pushing far left policies, they're committing violence en masse, if they're not calling for the wholesale nationalization of the economy just yet, it's only because they're gradualists and they know this shit takes time.
Clearly they're working towards that objective.
That they're not denouncing the violence their members are committing makes their founders/leaders and the whole organization complicit in it.
They're a Marxist, terrorist hate group.

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:53 pm

Gloominary wrote:They're founders/leaders are Marxists,.


Name them.

Put up or STFU
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:59 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Gloominary wrote:From the horse's mouth: Patrisse Cullors, founder/leader of BLM, "Am I A Marxist".


There you have it, 1:20 into the video she says "I do believe in Marxism".
BLM is a Marxist organization.


Apparently Biden is a Catholic, that does not make the Democratic Party Catholic you fuckin idiot.

There is nothing Marxist about BLM since it is not economically based, as the Democartic party is based on religion.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:01 pm

R. Lichtenstein wrote:But, let us assume for the purposes of argument, that this woman is a ‘trained Marxist’, that no more shows BLM is Marxist than the fact that the Republican Party chose a prominent Mormon, Mitt Romney, as their candidate for the Presidency in 2012 shows that that party is a Mormon front.


How do you respond to this logic, Mr. GLOOMINARY (if that is your real name).
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:04 pm

Damn nvm sculptor beat me to it. It's a fallacy of some kind. Maybe the composition fallacy or something like 'at.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:20 pm

promethean75 wrote:
R. Lichtenstein wrote:But, let us assume for the purposes of argument, that this woman is a ‘trained Marxist’, that no more shows BLM is Marxist than the fact that the Republican Party chose a prominent Mormon, Mitt Romney, as their candidate for the Presidency in 2012 shows that that party is a Mormon front.


How do you respond to this logic, Mr. GLOOMINARY (if that is your real name).

Firstly, Romney wouldn't've done or said anything to push reps in a Mormon direction, secondly if he did, all other rep leaders and the vast majority of his constituents including the Mormon Church and most Mormons would've opposed him.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:24 pm

There is nothing Marxist about BLM since it is not economically based, as the Democartic party is based on religion.

This is horseshit, they push for a ton of economic policies.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:42 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Gloominary wrote:They're founders/leaders are Marxists,.


Name them.

Put up or STFU

I already have several times, are you on medication?
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:27 am

Black Lives Matter Toronto issues 27 demands for reform in major anti-police protest

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/06/19/we-demand-better-we-demand-our-lives-black-lives-matter-toronto-protesters-call-for-defudning-of-police.html

The group made 27 demands on Friday. These included immediately redirecting at least half the $1.1 billion police budget toward the communities affected by police racism. They called for investing in secure, long-term housing for street-involved and unhoused communities, food securities programs, public transit, public health, public libraries and community-led anti-violence programs.

Other demands included: demilitarizing the police by removing all weaponry and ending Emergency Task Force (ETF) and Emergency Response Teams (ERTs), among others; removing police and school resource officers in all schools; reducing the scope of police; ending the practice of carding: documenting police violence; decriminalizing poverty, drugs, HIV and prostitution.


As we can see from above, this movement is about far more than police brutality, they make all kinds of social, political and economic demands.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:53 am

Again, police brutality is just the tip of the iceberg for BLM.

Our freedom is not and should have never been up for negotiation, and so Black Lives Matter Vancouver issues the following demands and calls to action:

https://blacklivesmattervancouver.com/vancouver-dismantle-systems-of-violence/

The City of Vancouver must redirect financial resources from the Vancouver Police Department towards initiatives that demonstrably support long-term community safety. This includes child care support, education, comprehensive mental health intervention and social support, local restorative justice services, employment programs, access to recreational facilities, community-directed public investment, peer-based programming, culturally-led policies and more.

The City of Vancouver must commit to improving social conditions across the city with a commitment to the goal of eventually abolishing police and prisons, as they serve the primary purpose of oppressing marginalized communities and protecting the riches of the wealthy minority of denizens.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Gloominary » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:39 am

Black Los Angeles Demands in Light of COVID-19 and Rates of Black Death

https://www.blmla.org/newsfeed/2020/4/16/black-los-angeles-demands-in-light-of-covid-19-and-rates-of-black-death

Black people are dying at two-three times our population share from COVID-19. In Los Angeles County, the rate of Black death is twice our population share, with Black people constituting 9% of the County population, but 17% of the COVID-19 deaths. With nearly 900,000 Black residents in the County and 403,000 Black residents in the City (the eighth highest number of any city in the United States), what happens in Los Angeles has serious national implications. While several initiatives have been launched nationally, state-wide and locally, none speak to the particular needs of the Black community. The disproportionate and deadly impact of COVID-19 on the Black community magnifies what we have known, that “underlying conditions” result from an enduring system of racial apartheid and oppression. Interlocking economic, political, and social injustices collide with long-standing patterns of medical racism to make COVID-19 a Black issue that demands a response specific to the needs of the Black community.

The demands were developed by a coalition of more than 50 Black Los Angeles-based community leaders. Included are both immediate demands meant for emergency implementation during the Coronavirus crisis, and long-term demands, necessary to eradicate the underlying conditions that are at the root of the disproportionate impact of the public health crisis and economic fallout.

The drafted demands respond to the urgency of the moment in light of the COVID-19 crisis and related fallout. To address the demands, a significant share of stimulus and public funding must be earmarked as grants for the Black community and ongoing program funding should be redirected from police and law enforcement budgets to provide resources that bring real public safety. While the list is substantial, it was written under severe time-constraints and is not meant to be exhaustive or inclusive of the total set of Black community needs.

Immediate Demands:

Testing, Public Health, and Patient Rights

1. Complete collection and release of Los Angeles County and California data on COVID-19 cases and deaths, with particular focus on areas with large Black populations.

2. Universal access to non-invasive testing in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

3. Any COVID-19-related testing or future vaccinations must be voluntary, not mandatory or conditional for employment, education, access to public resources, or any other economic, political, or social functioning.

4. Prohibit sharing non-COVID-19-related medical information and required destruction of COVID-19-related medical records held by entities other than direct healthcare providers, including government and private parties, to preserve patient privacy rights.

5. Collection of self-identified racial, gender, income, age, occupation, employment-status, geographic residency, and housing-status data at first point of medical contact.

6. No forced removal of people from their homes under the guise of quarantine, or for any other reason.

7. Allowance for a support partner and medical advocate of patient’s choosing during any procedure or treatment, and, if needed at time of death.

8. On-demand, free medical care for Black residents of Los Angeles County during the COVID-19 crisis.

Education and Families

9. Adoption of all Students Deserve education demands by Los Angeles Unified School District and all districts County-wide.

10. Continuance of visitation and reunification programs (in distance-learning format as necessary) for parents with children under the authority of the Department of Children and Family Services, and freezing of reunification timelines.

Support for Black Workers and Small Business Owners

11. Public contracting with Black-owned restaurants and stores for healthy food and supply delivery during the pandemic and beyond.

12. Resources, not “enforcement,” for Black-owned businesses that have not been able to shut down during the crisis.

13. Guaranteed, timely assistance filing for economic resources, including unemployment and small business loans and grants.

14. Support for Black essential workers, especially those who are underpaid (including gig economy workers), by providing hazard pay, protective equipment, hotel rooms to mitigate the possibility of passing the virus to family members, and an ongoing livable wage and paid sick leave.

15. Income supplement of $2000 per month per adult and $1000 per month per child for all Black residents for the duration of the pandemic and economic fallout.

Public Safety

16. Employ properly-equipped, non-violent, community care workers as neighborhood resources, instead of expanding patrols by funding police and law enforcement.

17. Funding for neighborhood-based community care plans in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

18. Moratorium on all non-violent arrests.

19. Dismissal of all non-violent criminal warrants and citations.

Housing

20. On-demand, safe housing and supportive resources for unsheltered people and those fleeing unsafe conditions in unused hotel and motel rooms and vacant housing units.

21. Cancellation of rents and mortgages, and replacement of rental income to non-corporate Black property owners until the pandemic and economic fallout subsides.

22. Stop all sweeps of houseless settlements and provide bathrooms, showers, hand washing stations, soap, water, laundry vouchers, dumpsters, vermin abatement, and cleaning supplies.

Criminal Justice Reform

23. Immediate release of all people who are pretrial, bail-eligible, elderly, youth, pregnant, infirmed, immuno-comprimised and those held on parole/probation violations or infractions/non-serious misdemeanors from jails or detention.

24. Immediate release of all people who are parole-eligible, parole-suitable, elderly, youth, pregnant, infirmed, immuno-comprimised and those held on parole violations or non-violent felonies from prisons.

25. Provision of free housing, healthcare, food resources, and community reintegration support (including help acquiring documents like legal identification) for all people returning from prison, jail, or detention.

26. Continuance of rehabilitative programs offered by community-based organizations to incarcerated people who will not be released through distance-learning to allow them to continue to earn time off their sentences.

27. Mandatory usage of personal protective equipment (PPE) by all correctional staff in jails and prisons and provision of PPE to all incarcerated people.

Transportation

28. Free public transportation for all for the duration of the pandemic and economic fallout.

29. Cancellation of fare evasion citations on public transportation.

Other Resources

30. Funding to provide free, culturally-competent funeral and burial/cremation services for COVID-19 deaths.

31. Resources for culturally-competent community education on safer-at-home practices led by Black organizers and educators, with a corresponding prohibition of arrests, fines, and citations in response to safer-at-home violations.

32. Provision of free face-coverings and gloves at all COVID-19 testing sites, food distribution centers, open public facilities, grocery stores, restaurants, and essential businesses.

Long Term Demands:

Reparations

33. Reparations for all Black victims of COVID-19 (or their families in cases of death), who were unable to get support due to the lack of testing, access to healthcare, and/or overall medical racism.

Healthcare

34. Universal, quality, accessible healthcare.

35. Funding for Black-led, culturally-competent, free exercise and wellness classes in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

36. Funding for free culturally-competent counseling and mental health resources for Black residents of Los Angeles County.

37. Medical education that centers cultural-competency, and interrogates implicit bias and anti-Black racism and ongoing retraining of medical professionals in these areas.

Environment

38. Funding for organizations that address and work to remedy overarching environmental racism in Black communities.

Food Security

39. Weekly farmers markets in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

40. Vouchers for fresh produce for Black residents of Los Angeles County that are universally accepted at all places that sell food.

41. Funding for culturally-competent healthy eating and food preparation classes run by Black-led organizations.

42. Creation and maintenance of urban farmland and urban farming education in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

43. Funding for Black organizations to start and support maintenance of home-based gardens in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

Education

44. Recruitment of and scholarships for Black students to pursue careers in healthcare, including naturopathy and holistic medicinal practices.

45. Funding for Black scholarships, student recruitment, retention, and graduation initiatives at Charles Drew University.

46. Guaranteed admission, scholarship, and support programming for Black students to all public colleges and universities.

Housing

47. Declare housing as a human right and provide universal permanent housing for all.

Criminal Justice Reform

48. Automatic diversion services for all arrests of those under age 25, covering all offenses

49. Funding for and prioritization of alternatives to incarceration.

Public Safety

50. Prioritization of culturally-competent community solutions and resources to address public safety, including livable wage jobs, mental health services, after school programs, and community care workers, instead of police and law enforcement.

Transportation

51. Free public transportation for all, beginning with K-12 youth and seniors.

52. Double MTA schedule and make service available 24-hours-per-day and 7-days-per-week.

Other Resources

53. Free, quality, universal childcare.

54. Provide ample high quality, safe, accessible recreational spaces and cultural services including: parks, facilities, programs, and special events.

55. Financial incentives to create and maintain worker-controlled cooperatives.
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:02 am

promethean75 wrote:No Marxist would wear hoop earrings like that. We do not reificate the commodification of the raw materials of earrings with these frivolous metaphysical niceties. Small studs are sufficient for ear ornamentation.



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You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:05 am

gloom all that stuff on the list seems awesome
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:00 am

promethean75 wrote:Damn nvm sculptor beat me to it. It's a fallacy of some kind. Maybe the composition fallacy or something like 'at.


No problem.

Yes Gloominary is guilty of the fallacy of composition.
Its a sort of false induction too.
Falsely understanding the whole from one of its parts.

By the same token IBM would be communist too, since it supports BLM.

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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:02 am

Gloominary wrote:
There is nothing Marxist about BLM since it is not economically based, as the Democartic party is based on religion.

This is horseshit, they push for a ton of economic policies.


No you have made a childish error in philosophy called the fallacy of composition.

The REASON you have chosen to make a fool of yourself is, I think, because you are deep down a RACIST, and instictively dislike anything that challenges your white supremacy.

IBM is also Marxist, since it supports a Marxist organisation.https://builtin.com/diversity-inclusion ... al-justice
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Re: Marxist Conquest of the US

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:04 am

Gloominary wrote:
There is nothing Marxist about BLM since it is not economically based, as the Democartic party is based on religion.

This is horseshit, they push for a ton of economic policies.


Are you against equal pay??

Is that such a bad idea?
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