Trump Claims Victory

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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:42 pm

promethean75 wrote:"They are the PK's, Sculptor's, and Mr Reasonable's of the world"

Learn some basic grammar!

Why am I always excluded from any listing of the ILP socialist scumbags?

Take a wild guess!
"scumbags"?

I'm really getting sick and tired of this.

Then find another forum.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:30 pm

Trump never deserved his so-called "victory" in the first place.

He won for two reasons
1. An out-of-date electoral college system which favours the right.
2. Collusion with Russian intellgence survices.

In the end he was short of a majority by 3 million votes but still won.

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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:14 pm

Dan~ wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:you are an idiot. if you use google maps to go someplace, it'll put the pin in the middle of a parking lot about half the time. my god you are stupid. not to mention that this entire issue was gone over between trumps lawyers and the election officials.

Do you actually need to call him an idiot?
I don't see how that adds to the conversation.


He’s just speaking I’mAlwaysWrong’s dialect.

I’mAlwaysWrong calls people evil idiots.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:47 pm

promethean75 wrote:Why am I always excluded from any listing of the ILP socialist scumbags?
:lol:
A bloke doesn't lose his integrity just because he is seriously misled. Every solder on the field, although equally deadly and a earnest part of the team, isn't the same evil ideologue.

Some people tell lies because they honestly didn't know them to be lies. Others either know them to be lies or just don't care if they are lies - the "scumbags".

I think those are two different categories of people.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:10 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
promethean75 wrote:Why am I always excluded from any listing of the ILP socialist scumbags?
:lol:
A bloke doesn't lose his integrity just because he is seriously misled. Every solder on the field, although equally deadly and a earnest part of the team, isn't the same evil ideologue.

Some people tell lies because they honestly didn't know them to be lies. Others either know them to be lies or just don't care if they are lies - the "scumbags".

I think those are two different categories of people.


I agree. I also don’t think lying is always bad.

Think about running part of the Underground Railroad and hiding runaway slaves in a hidden compartment in your house (as was done) and soldiers knock on your door asking you if you’re keeping runaway slaves (as was also done).

The right thing to do is lie.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:15 am

Ecmandu wrote:I also don’t think lying is always bad.

Think about running part of the Underground Railroad and hiding runaway slaves in a hidden compartment in your house (as was done) and soldiers knock on your door asking you if you’re keeping runaway slaves (as was also done).

The right thing to do is lie.

But I think only a sane person can't actually make that distinction. So how does any person know if they qualify? They don't.

To avoid the sociopathic issue - don't try to lie for the good. The probability is always against you.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:29 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I also don’t think lying is always bad.

Think about running part of the Underground Railroad and hiding runaway slaves in a hidden compartment in your house (as was done) and soldiers knock on your door asking you if you’re keeping runaway slaves (as was also done).

The right thing to do is lie.

But I think only a sane person can't actually make that distinction. So how does any person know if they qualify? They don't.

To avoid the sociopathic issue - don't try to lie for the good. The probability is always against you.


I think you’re taking it too far. Sane and insane people know they don’t want to go to hell forever.

There are many things that sane and insane people understand collectively.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:42 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:
promethean75 wrote:Why am I always excluded from any listing of the ILP socialist scumbags?
:lol:
A bloke doesn't lose his integrity just because he is seriously misled. Every solder on the field, although equally deadly and a earnest part of the team, isn't the same evil ideologue.

Some people tell lies because they honestly didn't know them to be lies. Others either know them to be lies or just don't care if they are lies - the "scumbags".

I think those are two different categories of people.


I agree. I also don’t think lying is always bad.

Think about running part of the Underground Railroad and hiding runaway slaves in a hidden compartment in your house (as was done) and soldiers knock on your door asking you if you’re keeping runaway slaves (as was also done).

The right thing to do is lie.


It is at this point that Kant famously relies on truth, regardless of consequences.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:50 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I also don’t think lying is always bad.

Think about running part of the Underground Railroad and hiding runaway slaves in a hidden compartment in your house (as was done) and soldiers knock on your door asking you if you’re keeping runaway slaves (as was also done).

The right thing to do is lie.

But I think only a sane person can't actually make that distinction. So how does any person know if they qualify? They don't.

To avoid the sociopathic issue - don't try to lie for the good. The probability is always against you.


I think you’re taking it too far. Sane and insane people know they don’t want to go to hell forever.

There are many things that sane and insane people understand collectively.


Only really smart people know that Hell is only a place in Norway.

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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat May 01, 2021 5:35 pm

so um just wanted to put this here and see what kind of response i get to it...

https://www.businessinsider.com/newsmax ... zes-2021-4
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Sat May 01, 2021 11:18 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:so um just wanted to put this here and see what kind of response i get to it...

https://www.businessinsider.com/newsmax ... zes-2021-4


And Guiliani has had his house raided by the FBI.
But, of course his son claims that the only thing they did not take is Hunter Biden's laptop from the house, which presumably they stole from Hunter? This is so laughable, it's embarassing.
I suppose the Fox "enterainment" faux-news program will lap it up (pun intended).
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun May 02, 2021 8:49 am

it's like their audience consists of people who think that professional wrestling is real
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Sun May 02, 2021 11:18 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:it's like their audience consists of people who think that professional wrestling is real


Wrestling is real.
The earth is flat
Vaccines cause diseases
No one went to the moon.
It's all a commie plot
Biden is on the payroll of the Kremlin.
ad nauseam
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun May 02, 2021 5:24 pm

its so bizarre how media has broken off this section of people who will only believe the implausible and turned them into little soldiers for this fantasy. i mean they really do believe this shit, and they think they're the only ones with the real truth.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 02, 2021 6:50 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:its so bizarre how media has broken off this section of people who will only believe the implausible and turned them into little soldiers for this fantasy. i mean they really do believe this shit, and they think they're the only ones with the real truth.




Not so. All he needs in his prison Logo while writing his version of me in kompf is to burn down something like the reichtag, oh he already been there done that
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon May 03, 2021 8:08 am

Dan~ wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:you are an idiot. if you use google maps to go someplace, it'll put the pin in the middle of a parking lot about half the time. my god you are stupid. not to mention that this entire issue was gone over between trumps lawyers and the election officials.

Do you actually need to call him an idiot?
I don't see how that adds to the conversation.



i really did feel like i needed to say it. you realize that he's just posting youtube videos of weird dudes saying that all the arguments made in court didn't happen? he's in a weird bitchute rabbit hole and he's nowhere near reality dan. also, i figured that would be language that he would understand. he hurls insults on a daily basis. we're trying to have a conversation here with him and whenever he's confronted with any aspect of reality that doesn't fit what he's been told by these weird youtube video people, he spazzes out and calls everyone names.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Sculptor » Mon May 03, 2021 5:47 pm

Dan~ wrote:Do you actually need to call him an idiot?
I don't see how that adds to the conversation.


With Urwrongx1000, there is no "conversation", but there is in fact a lot of idiocy.
It really beggars belief that there is anyone on the planet that could still support Guliani's and Triump's bizarre claims of election fraud.
And putting up videos from cranks is not going to contribute to any conversation.

The world looks on with utter embarassment. This situation is not a recommendation for any sort of democracy, in fact Trumpers are doing more to sully the notion of democracy than anything I can think of.
Fox News has pretty much withdrawn their risible accusations against Dominion, and their defence is that Fox News is just entertainment.
Guliani is now under investigation by the FBI. Trump ought to be behind bars, and the fact that he is not is a serious indictment of the US establishment.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed May 05, 2021 5:33 pm

facebook upholds trump ban
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby promethean75 » Wed May 05, 2021 7:54 pm

"facebook upholds trump ban"

See what I mean? The capitalist parasites eat their own kind if given a chance. Trump stands for everything that allowed and made possible the facebook guy's (forget his name) rise to fortune... and yet if the Facebook guy senses no threat from the left (moving toward abolishing free market), he'll stand with them, feign his support, and ostracize a fellow capitalist (trump).

Plus, a look at the Facebook demographics might show that the vast majority of them are younger liberals. Facebook guy needs to appease them to stay in business.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby promethean75 » Wed May 05, 2021 9:26 pm

Didn't I call it though? I told urwrong trump would be walking the streets mumbling something about election fraud for the rest of his life. How many months has it been now? Guy's still holding lounge parties with all his cockroach friends, talkin bout the BIG LIE.

P.S. did I tell u guys I smoked a joint behind a bar with the dude who's singing? True story.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed May 05, 2021 9:43 pm

Yeah, some people just dont like to be stolen from. I know Marx thought stealing is a natural compulsion that should be stimulated, but that's strictly for lower types.

We've gotten the point though. The idea of actual elections is an absurd ridiculum. Dont worry, we won't be forgetting it.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby promethean75 » Wed May 05, 2021 10:41 pm

All notions and concepts of property are man-made conventions, agreements on what certain words mean and how one is expected to act and interact with and around the material (and now intellectual property) things in one's environment. But the things don't care, and the universe doesn't care, if we change those words and behaviors regarding our interaction with material things. So, the very concept of 'property' is a spook (shout out to max) and exists only in your head and your language.

That being the case, there will be differing notions and concepts about what constitutes rightful property among those who participate in its production, attainment and use. The final verdict is always by force, either directly with a weapon or indirectly with a philosophy or some other manner of persuasion.

Some believe that in order to prevent this divergence of agreement in what constitutes 'property rights', and the conflicts that result, the process of production, attainment and use needs to be completely democratized so that our conventions can be decided by a direct majority. If I need to explain to you why this would be ideal, then I've got no business even trying to explain any of this...cuz if that doesn't make sense, you ain't about to understand anything else either.

Be this as it should, the private capitalist has no place or role in this ideal state. It is literally the antithesis to the democratization of the modes of production in this way.

But your bigger problem, and perhaps what I should have only explained instead of the above, is that until the labor value dispute is resolved between the wage salary earner and the employer, the employer's concept of 'property' means fuck all to the worker. Or I should say 'should mean' fuck all, but most workers haven't a clue what's going on... plus they're decent people who want only a peaceful transition. I mean they ain't got the minerals to be anarchists, or the organization to be effective. And they've been indoctrinated and conditioned to think 'this way' is the only way... that there has to be wage salary earners and private business owners.

Kay. Re-cap. The universe doesn't give a shit about your definition of 'property', and the current conventional concept of 'property' is up for revision.

I did this post on a phone keyboard dude, which means I did it twice because of all the typos. Consider yourself blessed that I even bothered.

Whole post on a phone, just for you. I musta lost my fuckin mind do some dumb shit like that.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed May 05, 2021 10:48 pm

8)

I do appreciate the effort.

I kind of find this whole idea moot though, since you consider your labour to be your property and get very angry that someone would exploit it.

Another thing, if I just say to you - that bike you ride, give it to me will ya? You'll refuse. Im sure. So that man-made convention, you're just as responsible for that as anyone.

Also, animals protect prey they've caught, not out of convention but because they'll die otherwise.

Theres a lot to object to this abstract approach to things which are really very concrete.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby promethean75 » Wed May 05, 2021 11:01 pm

Not sure what I'm supposed to get out of those statements there. I tried to find a way to make them relate to my point but failed. Might be my fault. Maybe I didn't say it right so that the little bulb could go pop.

Not interested in a long exchange or discussion, so maybe let me redirect my point.

"I know Marx thought stealing is a natural compulsion that should be stimulated"

Insofar as Marx condoned 'stealing', it (theft) would be only incidental to the process of revolution and the overthrow of the existing state.
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Re: Trump Claims Victory

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed May 05, 2021 11:13 pm

I was just making an effort to relate your reply to my post.

Also, I don't believe that you don't get the relevance of my point to yours. I think it's too painful for you to realize that you're extremely property-fixated.

"nsofar as Marx condoned 'stealing', it (theft) would be only incidental to the process of revolution and the overthrow of the existing state."

Meaning, only stealing every single piece of property in the whole state. Yes, I can see how that's like, totally irrelevant.
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