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Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They Exist

Postby Motor Daddy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:42 pm

Imagine an object, such as a car. The car is constructed of many different individual moving components, but as a whole we consider the "car" as a single object, just like we consider the individual components of the car single objects. Of course, those components are also made of smaller components which could be considered objects themselves. This concept of objects being a composition of components is present in every physical process known to man. We consider an atom an object with components of a nucleus and surrounding electrons. We consider a nucleus an object with components of protons and neutrons. This "level" system of objects being made of components is true of the very small, to the very large. So small that it is beyond our scope to measure and observe, and so large that it's beyond our scope to measure and observe. The object the universe is comprised of many components such as galaxies. Galaxies are comprised of many components such as solar systems. Solar systems are comprised of many components such as planets, etc, etc.

The second law of thermodynamics states that in a closed system entropy increases with time. In other words, mass gets less dense over time because mass is turned into energy, and the potential energy of the system decreases with time. The process of entropy increasing over time is the reason why we are able to do work in the first place. Every physical process known to man evolves through entropy increasing. You can not turn mass into energy unless mass increases in volume and entropy increases.

Let's look at our sun as an example. The only way the sun can turn mass to energy is by getting less dense. How does it get less dense? It gets less dense by expanding the volume of the mass as entropy increases. Another way to say it is that mass evolves to space. Mass gets less dense over time.

So let's take our solar system as an example of mass getting less dense over time. The planets are components of the object the solar system. The planets are getting further away from the core of the solar system, which we refer to as the object, the sun. Just like an atom has a nucleus as a core object, so too does the object the solar system have a core object the sun (the nucleus). In other words, the object the solar system is the sun expanding. What we refer to as the sun is the nucleus of the object the solar system. So the solar system as an object is getting less dense by the planets getting further away from the core over time. Another way to say it is that in the past, the solar system was much more dense, so dense in fact that the planets and sun components of the solar system used to be one and the same, a singularity. The singularity expanded, and continues to expand over time. The earth (and all the planets) came from the sun!

Just like the solar system is an expanding object, which is a component of our galaxy, so too is the galaxy expanding in the exact same manner, due to the exact same process, the increasing of entropy according to the second law. All the components that make up a galaxy came from the nucleus of the galaxy, which we refer to as a black hole. A galaxy as an object is in fact an expanded black hole, with what we refer to as a black hole being the nucleus of the galaxy.

The same concept applies to the universe. The universe is an object comprised of many components. The universe at one time was a singularity. The singularity expanded and continues to expand today. The components get further away from each other over time.

The universe resides in an infinite volume of surrounding space. The universe is a component of an even greater object, along with the other components that make up that greater object. The universe components orbit the nucleus of the greater object, like planets orbit our solar system's nucleus, the sun. In the same context, the universe is to its core as the planets are to our sun.

Multiple universes being components of a larger object is no different than the planets of our solar system orbiting our sun, at the same time orbiting the black hole of our galaxy, just on a much larger scale.

Our universe was a singularity that came from its core like the earth came from the sun, and continues to get further away from its core. It happens at every level, small and large. Mass evolves to space!
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:03 pm

Yeah, I agree that the circular shape with a center location makes sense. I think beyond universes sharing the same time/space to dimensions that oscillate in and out of one another, still around that circular, central location.
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Postby Motor Daddy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:13 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Yeah, I agree that the circular shape with a center location makes sense. I think beyond universes sharing the same time/space to dimensions that oscillate in and out of one another, still around that circular, central location.


If you think in terms of scaling, the moon orbits the earth while they orbit the sun while it orbits the black hole at the center of our galaxy, while the universe orbits a larger body, and on and on. There is no limit to the extent at which the scaling could end. We live in our little scale, all the while part of a scale that is unimaginably large to us. Our universe could be just a glimmering light in the night sky of some HUGE system. We could be just another spec of light amongst the infinite specs of light in the sky.

They definitely have scaling though, we know that! How large and how small the scaling is is beyond our imagination!
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:31 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Yeah, I agree that the circular shape with a center location makes sense. I think beyond universes sharing the same time/space to dimensions that oscillate in and out of one another, still around that circular, central location.


If you think in terms of scaling, the moon orbits the earth while they orbit the sun while it orbits the black hole at the center of our galaxy, while the universe orbits a larger body, and on and on. There is no limit to the extent at which the scaling could end. We live in our little scale, all the while part of a scale that is unimaginably large to us. Our universe could be just a glimmering light in the night sky of some HUGE system. We could be just another spec of light amongst the infinite specs of light in the sky.

They definitely have scaling though, we know that! How large and how small the scaling is is beyond our imagination!

You realize that dimensions are different than universes?
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby Motor Daddy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:40 pm

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WendyDarling wrote:Yeah, I agree that the circular shape with a center location makes sense. I think beyond universes sharing the same time/space to dimensions that oscillate in and out of one another, still around that circular, central location.


If you think in terms of scaling, the moon orbits the earth while they orbit the sun while it orbits the black hole at the center of our galaxy, while the universe orbits a larger body, and on and on. There is no limit to the extent at which the scaling could end. We live in our little scale, all the while part of a scale that is unimaginably large to us. Our universe could be just a glimmering light in the night sky of some HUGE system. We could be just another spec of light amongst the infinite specs of light in the sky.

They definitely have scaling though, we know that! How large and how small the scaling is is beyond our imagination!

You realize that dimensions are different than universes?


Yes.

A universe is an object in the dimensions of space.

Saying the term "universe" is like saying "ball" or "galaxy" or "solar system." They are all objects that reside in space.
Space is volume. Volume is space. Volume has 3 dimensions, x,y,and z. (Length, Height, and Width.)

1 gallon is a volume of space. Volume is measured as, for instance, CUBIC METERS. It is a measure of 3 dimensional distance.

Space is "infinite volume"

Point in any direction and that line in space is infinite. It has no ending. The length of that line is infinite. There is no end to that line in space.
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:54 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Yeah, I agree that the circular shape with a center location makes sense. I think beyond universes sharing the same time/space to dimensions that oscillate in and out of one another, still around that circular, central location.


If you think in terms of scaling, the moon orbits the earth while they orbit the sun while it orbits the black hole at the center of our galaxy, while the universe orbits a larger body, and on and on. There is no limit to the extent at which the scaling could end. We live in our little scale, all the while part of a scale that is unimaginably large to us. Our universe could be just a glimmering light in the night sky of some HUGE system. We could be just another spec of light amongst the infinite specs of light in the sky.

They definitely have scaling though, we know that! How large and how small the scaling is is beyond our imagination!

You realize that dimensions are different than universes?


Yes.

A universe is an object in the dimensions of space.

Saying the term "universe" is like saying "ball" or "galaxy" or "solar system." They are all objects that reside in space.
Space is volume. Volume is space. Volume has 3 dimensions, x,y,and z. (Length, Height, and Width.)

1 gallon is a volume of space. Volume is measured as, for instance, CUBIC METERS. It is a measure of 3 dimensional distance.

Space is "infinite volume"

Point in any direction and that line in space is infinite. It has no ending. The length of that line is infinite. There is no end to that line in space.[/quote]



Then there are other dimensions(not necessarily 4-D) with "separate" infinite spaces.
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:44 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:Imagine an object, such as a car. The car is constructed of many different individual moving components, but as a whole we consider the "car" as a single object, just like we consider the individual components of the car single objects. Of course, those components are also made of smaller components which could be considered objects themselves. This concept of objects being a composition of components is present in every physical process known to man. We consider an atom an object with components of a nucleus and surrounding electrons. We consider a nucleus an object with components of protons and neutrons. This "level" system of objects being made of components is true of the very small, to the very large. So small that it is beyond our scope to measure and observe, and so large that it's beyond our scope to measure and observe. The object the universe is comprised of many components such as galaxies. Galaxies are comprised of many components such as solar systems. Solar systems are comprised of many components such as planets, etc, etc.

The second law of thermodynamics states that in a closed system entropy increases with time. In other words, mass gets less dense over time because mass is turned into energy, and the potential energy of the system decreases with time. The process of entropy increasing over time is the reason why we are able to do work in the first place. Every physical process known to man evolves through entropy increasing. You can not turn mass into energy unless mass increases in volume and entropy increases.

Let's look at our sun as an example. The only way the sun can turn mass to energy is by getting less dense. How does it get less dense? It gets less dense by expanding the volume of the mass as entropy increases. Another way to say it is that mass evolves to space. Mass gets less dense over time.

So let's take our solar system as an example of mass getting less dense over time. The planets are components of the object the solar system. The planets are getting further away from the core of the solar system, which we refer to as the object, the sun. Just like an atom has a nucleus as a core object, so too does the object the solar system have a core object the sun (the nucleus). In other words, the object the solar system is the sun expanding. What we refer to as the sun is the nucleus of the object the solar system. So the solar system as an object is getting less dense by the planets getting further away from the core over time. Another way to say it is that in the past, the solar system was much more dense, so dense in fact that the planets and sun components of the solar system used to be one and the same, a singularity. The singularity expanded, and continues to expand over time. The earth (and all the planets) came from the sun!

Just like the solar system is an expanding object, which is a component of our galaxy, so too is the galaxy expanding in the exact same manner, due to the exact same process, the increasing of entropy according to the second law. All the components that make up a galaxy came from the nucleus of the galaxy, which we refer to as a black hole. A galaxy as an object is in fact an expanded black hole, with what we refer to as a black hole being the nucleus of the galaxy.

The same concept applies to the universe. The universe is an object comprised of many components. The universe at one time was a singularity. The singularity expanded and continues to expand today. The components get further away from each other over time.

The universe resides in an infinite volume of surrounding space. The universe is a component of an even greater object, along with the other components that make up that greater object. The universe components orbit the nucleus of the greater object, like planets orbit our solar system's nucleus, the sun. In the same context, the universe is to its core as the planets are to our sun.

Multiple universes being components of a larger object is no different than the planets of our solar system orbiting our sun, at the same time orbiting the black hole of our galaxy, just on a much larger scale.

Our universe was a singularity that came from its core like the earth came from the sun, and continues to get further away from its core. It happens at every level, small and large. Mass evolves to space!

- A largely coherent theory - but I think not quite true. :wink:
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Postby Motor Daddy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:59 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Then there are other dimensions(not necessarily 4-D) with "separate" infinite spaces.


No. Infinite volume is all inclusive, there is no other volume. There is infinite volume (space) that is all of space.

Some people refer to time as a 4th dimension, but that is not really in keeping with the term dimensions as we use it for measurements.

I mean, if you can start naming things as the 17th dimension and such, then you could get crazy stupid calling all kinds of stuff "dimensions."

There are 3 dimensions, and time.

Use a different word for stuff other than space dimensions that can't be measured with a ruler.

Dimensions are space based that are measured by distance. Infinite space covers all of space.
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:04 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Then there are other dimensions(not necessarily 4-D) with "separate" infinite spaces.


No. Infinite volume is all inclusive, there is no other volume. There is infinite volume (space) that is all of space.

Some people refer to time as a 4th dimension, but that is not really in keeping with the term dimensions as we use it for measurements.

I mean, if you can start naming thing as the 17th dimension and such, then you could get crazy stupid calling all kinds of stuff "dimensions."

There are 3 dimensions, and time.

Use a different word for stuff other than space dimensions that can't be measured with a ruler.

Dimensions are space based that are measured by distance. Infinite space covers all of space.

So you do not understand dimensions. Who can explain dimensions?
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Postby Ecmandu » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:08 pm

When we do life viewings. It’s not one second. It’s instant. Everything you experienced in an instant.

Mozart did this. When a song came to him, he heard the whole thing in one instant ... outside of space and time.

Then he wrote it down in space and time.
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:19 pm

Ecmandu wrote:When we do life viewings. It’s not one second. It’s instant. Everything you experienced in an instant.

Mozart did this. When a song came to him, he heard the whole thing in one instant ... outside of space and time.

Then he wrote it down in space and time.


Mind explaining it in more scientific terms?
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Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:22 pm

WendyDarling wrote: Who can explain dimensions?

In space a dimension is a direction of freedom of movement. To have two dimensions means that as you move in one dimension - you can avoid moving in another. To have 3 dimensions means that you can move freely in two of the dimensions without having moved in the third.

As it turns out 3 is the limit because you are blocked in with no freedom without using one of those 3.

Time is treated as a 4th dimension just to make the math easier. Time is the measure of relative changing (ref - James). "Movement through time" isn't exactly conceptually proper. Things change through time - they don't actually move through time.
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Re: Multiple Universes - Where They Come From And How They E

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:24 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:When we do life viewings. It’s not one second. It’s instant. Everything you experienced in an instant.

Mozart did this. When a song came to him, he heard the whole thing in one instant ... outside of space and time.

Then he wrote it down in space and time.


Mind explaining it in more scientific terms?


No. You have to actually be a Mozart to understand it.

Beethoven was different than Mozart ... Beethoven worked on 4-5 songs at the same time ... he didn’t just hear it all at once like Mozart.

That’s the best I can describe it unless you’re actually there.
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:26 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
WendyDarling wrote: Who can explain dimensions?

In space a dimension is a direction of freedom of movement. To have two dimensions means that as you move in one dimension - you can avoid moving in another. To have 3 dimensions means that you can move freely in two of the dimensions without having moved in the third.

As it turns out 3 is the limit because you are blocked in with no freedom without using one of those 3.

Time is treated as a 4th dimension just to make the math easier. Time is the measure of relative changing (ref - James). "Movement through time" isn't exactly conceptually proper. Things change through time - they don't actually move through time.


Who can explain, in scientific terms, the passage of time in others dimensions relative to the passage of time in our 4-D?

Well Ec, am I challenging you properly? Giving up so soon with all your experience?
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Postby Motor Daddy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:29 pm

obsrvr524 wrote: Time is the measure of relative changing (ref - James). "Movement through time" isn't exactly conceptually proper. Things change through time - they don't actually move through time.


Did James just stop showing up here or did something happen to him?

I used to be on another forum, and James was the mod. They sound a lot alike.
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I think the only "other dimensions" are entirely imaginary and fictional - so there is no "scientific explanation".
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:31 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
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Ecmandu wrote:When we do life viewings. It’s not one second. It’s instant. Everything you experienced in an instant.

Mozart did this. When a song came to him, he heard the whole thing in one instant ... outside of space and time.

Then he wrote it down in space and time.


Mind explaining it in more scientific terms?


No. You have to actually be a Mozart to understand it.

Beethoven was different than Mozart ... Beethoven worked on 4-5 songs at the same time ... he didn’t just hear it all at once like Mozart.

That’s the best I can describe it unless you’re actually there.


I’m not Mozart and I understand it. Explaining it is another story. You should use your smarts and figure out a way to explain it. I feel that I have already done my part by logically revealing intelligent Creation. You’re the next batter up. To home plate.
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Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:34 pm

Motor Daddy wrote:Did James just stop showing up here or did something happen to him?

I don't think anyone ever figured that out.

Motor Daddy wrote:I used to be on another forum, and James was the mod. They sound a lot alike.

What forum was that?
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Postby Ecmandu » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:34 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
I think the only "other dimensions" are entirely imaginary and fictional - so there is no "scientific explanation".


Fuck, even QM is working with 11 dimensions.

That’s the standard model in QM right now.

As an analogy ... people for thousands of years thought there were only 4-5 states of matter...

Now there’s like 20!
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:37 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:-
I think the only "other dimensions" are entirely imaginary and fictional - so there is no "scientific explanation".


Fuck, even QM is working with 11 dimensions.

That’s the standard model in QM right now.

As an analogy ... people for thousands of years thought there were only 4-5 states of matter...

Now there’s like 20!

Intelligent energy is flexible.

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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:42 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
QM is entirely imaginary. You can make as many imaginary "dimensions" as you like.


Um, people like to believe that intelligent Creation is imaginary too. Care to counter my assertions regarding existence?
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obsrvr524 wrote:
Motor Daddy wrote:I used to be on another forum, and James was the mod. They sound a lot alike.

What forum was that?


sciforums.com

I requested a permaban and they granted it. :)

I had over 5,000 posts there, and I really liked James, but they kept banning me to shut me up. Their loss!
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Postby Ecmandu » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:45 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:-
QM is entirely imaginary. You can make as many imaginary "dimensions" as you like.


It has to conform to the standard model.

You could say the standard model is imaginary as well.

Now we have methods of predicting from QM ... our plasma television sets.

Using statistical ‘randomness’ to form all the shows we watch.

Obsrvr, you’re smart, but you need to get out more...
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:46 pm

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Motor Daddy wrote:I used to be on another forum, and James was the mod. They sound a lot alike.

What forum was that?


sciforums.com

I requested a permaban and they granted it. :)

I had over 5,000 posts there, and I really liked James, but they kept banning me to shut me up. Their loss!

I’m in the midst of dealing with those mentally, handicapped snobs right now. At sciforums new philosophy is not philosophy.
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