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ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby gib » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:46 am

Don't really want to debate this. Just want to post this for everyone's information:



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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:02 am

Isn't it interesting how everyone is ignoring that - and have been for months?

You would think it was a laptop left behind by a Biden family member. #-o
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:06 pm

My aunt is a biochemist... brilliant woman.

She actually went to grad school with the CEO of Moderna ... 50 years ago or some shit.

She knows everybody making these vaccines, she knows the science.

What she explained about the mRNA vaccine is that it dies in the body really fast. All it’s programmed to do is make so that the spiked protein of Covid cannot enter cells.

She explain that it doesn’t change your genetic code and it doesn’t pass the blood brain barrier.

If you want to take the old technology, then astra Zeneca is the one you want...

Phizer and Moderna have the same technology.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby gib » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:39 pm

Ecmandu wrote:What she explained about the mRNA vaccine is that it dies in the body really fast. All it’s programmed to do is make so that the spiked protein of Covid cannot enter cells.


That's interesting, so the vaccine is actually a live virus? Is this unique among vaccines? I always assumed vaccines were dead viruses.

Ecmandu wrote:If you want to take the old technology, then astra Zeneca is the one you want...


Meaning what? That Zeneca is on par with Ivermectin?
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Mithus » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:12 pm

The RNA transmits information in the human cells. The mRNA vaccines supply the cells with the genetic information of the virus, which stimulates the formation of a corona-characteristic protein in the cells, against which the body forms antibodies. In other words, the body fights against proteins that it has produced itself, also known as an autoimmune reaction. The side effects and long-term effects are not at all foreseeable yet, because the vaccine has undergone far too short test phases.

This is a major difference from previously known vaccines.
With conventional vaccines, attenuated pathogens are fed to the body, against which it then produces defenses, antigens. If actual contact with the pathogen occurs later, the body can boost its own defenses more quickly.

... and Astra Zeneca does not manufacture a conventional vaccine. They market the same genetic vaccine as Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:56 pm

Mithus wrote:The RNA transmits information in the human cells. The mRNA vaccines supply the cells with the genetic information of the virus, which stimulates the formation of a corona-characteristic protein in the cells, against which the body forms antibodies. In other words, the body fights against proteins that it has produced itself, also known as an autoimmune reaction. The side effects and long-term effects are not at all foreseeable yet, because the vaccine has undergone far too short test phases.

This is a major difference from previously known vaccines.
With conventional vaccines, attenuated pathogens are fed to the body, against which it then produces defenses, antigens. If actual contact with the pathogen occurs later, the body can boost its own defenses more quickly.

... and Astra Zeneca does not manufacture a conventional vaccine. They market the same genetic vaccine as Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech.


To be honest, I never spoke with my aunt directly. My mother tried to explaining it to me talking about it with her for a little bit.

My mom doesn’t have much of a scientists mind.

And mostly I don’t either, it’s like two selective memory morons talking to each other...

Thx Mithus
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:06 pm

Mithus, I’m going to call my aunt directly and read your reply verbatim (I’ll remember what she tells me) and I’ll get back to you with it.

Because of patent laws, I doubt these are the same shots, even if they’re using the ‘same’ technology
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Mithus » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:34 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Because of patent laws, I doubt these are the same shots, even if they’re using the ‘same’ technology

Yes, probably not the same shot, but the same technology. Astra Zeneca produces the so-called "Oxford-vaccine", a genetic vaccine that is widely used mainly in Europe.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:11 pm

Wow!

So I talked to my aunt. She said everything in your post was factually untrue. I literally read the whole post over speakerphone...

This is a PhD in biochemistry ... the stuff she said was a flurry of intelligence ... I don’t remember much if it at all.

She said that the mRNA deals with the ribosomes that make proteins and that this has been incredibly studied for decades.

She also said that the new method and the traditional method are divided between 6 companies (with half being divided with each company)

Long story short, she states that the US will most likely get Moderna vaccines, but either the phizer or Moderna vaccine are the ones she’d take personally ...,

Now this is a brilliant woman with a PhD in bio chemistry who loves me til death...

I thought I’d remember everything she told me:..

I don’t. I really wish that you people could talk to this woman. I unfortunately can’t grant that wish.

My expertise is a new plan for existence....

Her expertise is as a scientist first and foremost.

So I’ll offer this, since this is a relative who loves me to death... ask me any question about the vaccines and I’ll call her and answer you. Make it pointed and not broad. When we stopped talking, the last thing she said is call me at anytime with any questions you have.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby gib » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:22 am

Ask her what she can tell us about ivermectin.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:33 am

gib wrote:Ask her what she can tell us about ivermectin.


Done. I’ll get back to you when she calls me back.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:49 am

Ecmandu wrote:
gib wrote:Ask her what she can tell us about ivermectin.


Done. I’ll get back to you when she calls me back.


Her exact text to me about ivermectin:

You are on sites with a bunch of uneducated people spreading bad info. It is an anti-parasite drug. My dogs have taken it when they were wormed. Lots of drugs are being studied as possible candidates to be repurposed to treat Covid. That one was shown to inhibit viral replication in monkey kidney cell cultures but the dosage that would be needed in humans would most likely be so high as to cause suppression of cellular function, obviously not a good thing. A paper came out in the spring that was quickly withdrawn. No health organizations recommend it’s use in Covid treatment and in fact either the WHO or the CDC specify warned against it. The best place to get your Covid info is the CDC, not chat rooms, message boards, etc. I guarantee you, if something works, it won’t be some secret treatment or cure circulating on the internet.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:23 pm

Email her the video link then let her get back to you.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Email her the video link then let her get back to you.


Done.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby gib » Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:11 pm

Ask your aunt to watch this video:



...and read this link: https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/i ... s-3535912/

And tell her thanks for calling us uneducated. It isn't us who you're getting this information from, it's the authors of the videos. We're all here to learn.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:09 pm

Done.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby gib » Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:34 pm

Wow, she's got a lot of homework.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:01 pm

She’s an extremely fast reader... this was her reply:

Interesting. Good science is a series of tiny steps forwards and backwards and sideways as new data emerges. Unfortunately, some of the earliest reports regarding ivermectin came from Surgisphere and were thrown out due to highly questionable data handling methods, poorly designed studies, and conflict of interests. There are actually a number of clinical trials going on, as you can find with a search.

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Go to clinicaltrials.gov and you can search for clinical trials there.

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/resu ... ity=&dist=
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:11 am

"Science" seems to serve only two purposes - war and politics.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:16 am

obsrvr524 wrote:"Science" seems to serve only two purposes - war and politics.

Bold statement. Wondering about quotation marks? All science or “science” for the last 100 years?
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:07 am

"Science" as in what people are professing to be science.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby phoneutria » Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:56 am

there's a protocol for covid treatment
using ivermectin in combination
with zinc and hydroxychloroquine
which a league of doctors swear by
based on their own treatment results
and that has been brutally attacked
by the scientific community
and this has been for me
a very difficult thing to understand
how the community is dismissing these drugs
that have been used for decades to treat lupus
that we know a lot about
and spreading that it has dangerous side effect
and yet they're jumping on these new vaccines
with so little data available
and speaking about highly questionable data
ive read some of these covid related papers
and the standards were so low
that i felt they shouldn't have passed peer review
one i posted about a while ago
had a sample group of 5
and was using that to "simulate data"
to arrive at the conclusion
that 50% of transmissions are asymptomatic
why is the community glossing over this stuff
and ignoring clinical statistical results from other drugs?
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:40 pm

Ranchers don't let their cattle see the purpose of those fences. And finding out, what to do but moo a lot louder.
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby phoneutria » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:26 pm

hate to be all conspiracy-like
but they discredit and even ban a 50 year old drug
that is demonstrably effective stopping the transmission of the virus
so you don't even get sick in the first place
and instead push these vaccines with a few months worth of data
bypassing all drug safety protocols
it smells bad
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Re: ivermectin - a cure for COVID

Postby phoneutria » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:33 pm

a blister pack with 4 200mcg pills of ivermectine
can be purchased in Brazil for R$16,99
that's $3,30 USD

the usual dose is 150 mcg/kg
once a day for 10 days
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