## Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

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### Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

1.) What is the only 2 sided shape?

2.) what is the only shape with an infinite number of sides?
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

1. any bidimentional shape has two sides
top and bottom

2. a sphere

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Ecmandu has to define the word "side".
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

phoneutria wrote:1. any bidimentional shape has two sides
top and bottom

2. a sphere

You were damn close!

I know you won’t find my exact wording ...

So I’ll give you the answer...

1.) a semi-circle
2.) a circle

What’s interesting about the second one is that the only shape that has infinite sides is the only shape that also has only one side.

I thought it might be fun for you to think about.
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

well it appears that you are using only two dimensions
i used three

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

phoneutria wrote:well it appears that you are using only two dimensions
i used three

Oh, you can go infinite dimensions... same principle applies. What’s a hyper sphere for example? Etc...

It’s about the concept first and foremost
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Magnus Anderson wrote:Ecmandu has to define the word "side".

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

obsrvr524 wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:Ecmandu has to define the word "side".

Jamesian.

Ok smartasses. Side is what defines an indentation or protrusion (angle or arc).
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Ecmandu wrote:So I’ll give you the answer...

1.) a semi-circle
2.) a circle

And that's why I said you should define the word "side".

How is it that a circle has an infinite number of sides but a semi-circle only has two sides?

What’s interesting about the second one is that the only shape that has infinite sides is the only shape that also has only one side.

Which is a logical contradiction unless you're using the word "side" to mean one thing in the first part of the sentence and another in the second part.

Side is what defines an indentation or protrusion (angle or arc).

Doesn't that imply sides are necessarily straight lines?

There are no straight lines in a circle.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

phoneutria wrote:1. any bidimentional shape has two sides
top and bottom

2. a sphere

The better term for these suggestions is "faces" rather than "sides".
A "top" and "bottom" of any 2D shape would be its 2 faces, and critically - only when viewed in 3+ dimensions.
Any bi-dimensional shape viewed in 2 dimensions can't show top and bottom faces, only any number of sides.
Many bi-dimensional shapes have more than two sides, and many have two - not just a semi-circle. Any lens shape has 2 sides, any shape that emerges from the overlap of two one-sided shapes like circles, but not restricted to circles, even a freakin' heart-shape has 2 sides.

A sphere can be conceived as having either one curved face or infinite flat faces, but then so could any 3D shape with any number of vertices, and even with any number of edges so long as no edges connect with one another more than once.
Again, a sphere has to be viewed in 3+ dimensions here - it only really has sides when viewed in 2 dimensions, where it appears of course as just a circle, and the better term there is edges.

I dunno, Ecmandu, the word "only" in your original questions isn't valid.

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Two sided figures – Digons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digon
infinite sided - Apeirogons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apeirogon
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

When I was conceiving this, I was thinking about reality, not ideal. If you have a perfect circle it’s only one sided, but... I know of no such circle when you magnify it.... actually not even a line. Although (and this makes no sense to me), a line is defined as length without width. Technically, every line is a rectangle that doesn’t have perfect straight edges. (All lines have width in this sense.)

Each point of each edge is a fractal. Thus, every possible shape is infinite. And since you’re counting both sides of the circle, it’s somewhat of a cheat (the rectangleness of every line) the yes, that is two sided rather than one sided. Unless you define it as it’s perimeter.

So we take the micro... and see infinite sides at any point... we see the macro, we just see a point.

And that was my point. 1 from the perspective of thinking about the micro is: the only shape that has infinite sides is a dot from the macro as it’s perimeter.
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Ecmandu wrote:When I was conceiving this, I was thinking about reality, not ideal.

Each point of each edge is a fractal. Thus, every possible shape is infinite.

Doesn't that mean the answer to "2" is every single real shape?
And thereby the answer to "1" is there are no such shapes in reality?
So still the word "only" doesn't apply to either question.

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Silhouette wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:When I was conceiving this, I was thinking about reality, not ideal.

Each point of each edge is a fractal. Thus, every possible shape is infinite.

Doesn't that mean the answer to "2" is every single real shape?
And thereby the answer to "1" is there are no such shapes in reality?
So still the word "only" doesn't apply to either question.

If you strictly only measure the perimeter without protrusions, inclines (deviation from a path or direction) or indentations (not microscopically), then a circle is the only 1 sided shape that contains infinite angles and 1 arc. If you have two indentations, inclines or protrusions (not microscopically), you have 2 angles etc... in the macro.

In the macro a circles perimeter only has 1 side..., however, in the macro, unlike other shapes, it is always protruding and extruding, and that’s what also defines angle. In something like a line (in the macro) there is zero protrusion and extrusion.

When it turns into a protrusion or extrusion by some type of non uniform bent, then it has demarcated angleness.
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Ecmandu wrote:If you have a perfect circle it’s only one sided

Again, that depends on how you define the word "side". Depending on how you define it, perfect circles can be zero-sided, one-sided, two-sided and so on. So far, you have refused to provide a clear definition.

a circle is the only 1 sided shape that contains infinite angles

An angle is something that exists between two rays that share an end-point. And rays happen to be straight lines, don't they? Given that circles have no straight lines, I would say that circles have no angles whatsoever (rather than an infinity of them.)
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:If you have a perfect circle it’s only one sided

Again, that depends on how you define the word "side". Depending on how you define it, perfect circles can be zero-sided, one-sided, two-sided and so on. So far, you have refused to provide a clear definition.

a circle is the only 1 sided shape that contains infinite angles

An angle is something that exists between two rays that share an end-point. And rays happen to be straight lines, don't they? Given that circles have no straight lines, I would say that circles have no angles whatsoever (rather than an infinity of them.)

A circle (unlike any other shape) has the maximal number of rays.
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

But there are no rays in a circle.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Magnus Anderson wrote:But there are no rays in a circle.

Like I’ve tried to explain before when it comes to this particular shape: 0 = infinity.

There are no rays and there are an infinite number of rays.
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

1) Infinity is a number greater than every integer.

2) Zero is not greater than every integer (i.e. there are integers greater than zero e.g. number one.)

3) Therefore, "zero" and "infinity" refer to two different concepts.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

Magnus Anderson wrote:1) Infinity is a number greater than every integer.

2) Zero is not greater than every integer (i.e. there are integers greater than zero e.g. number one.)

3) Therefore, "zero" and "infinity" refer to two different concepts.

Two aspects of the same phenomenon...

Just like light: particle and wave.

0 is the same as 1: in one everything is exactly the same (which equals zero)
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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

So what's wrong with the argument I presented?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

there is no such number as zero, zero is purely practical and allows for easier calculations in the indian derived digit system where it first originated as a dot(a case of form giving away a function) that was then made into a zero by the muslims who passed it onto Europeans. infinity is not a number but a paradox, there is no number that can define infinity whereas zero is only a defining function of a given number.
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are you loonies also claiming to solve ancient paradoxes like the goon Satyr???what ever happened to you magnus?one of the few wimps to ever stand up to the big daddy S over at the asperg, neo-nazi lair of virginity...and one of the many there that argued at me pompously and pretentiously and when i wrote out thoughtful replies with an opposite argumentation, simply ignored me and did not reply, acting as if nothing happened...are you autsiders cousin???
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tendency to bear grudges persistently (i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights);
suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
a combative and tenacious sense of self-righteousness out of keeping with the actual situation;
recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
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Polish Youth wrote:what ever happened to you magnus?one of the few wimps to ever stand up to the big daddy S over at the asperg, neo-nazi lair of virginity...and one of the many there that argued at me pompously and pretentiously and when i wrote out thoughtful replies with an opposite argumentation, simply ignored me and did not reply, acting as if nothing happened...are you autsiders cousin???

I don't recall having a discussion with you. Though I do remember there was a guy who called himself "Polish Youth". Not that it matters, given that this thread isn't about you and me.

Consider staying ontopic.

there is no such number as zero, zero is purely practical and allows for easier calculations in the indian derived digit system where it first originated as a dot(a case of form giving away a function) that was then made into a zero by the muslims who passed it onto Europeans. infinity is not a number but a paradox, there is no number that can define infinity whereas zero is only a defining function of a given number.

If you're responding to me, you are supposed to show what's wrong with the argument that I presented.

Magnus wrote:1) Infinity is a number greater than every integer.

2) Zero is not greater than every integer (i.e. there are integers greater than zero e.g. number one.)

3) Therefore, "zero" and "infinity" refer to two different concepts.

Any given deductive argument is mistaken either because some of its premises are false and/or because its conclusion does not follow from its premises.

That said, there are several possibilities:

1) Both premises are false, the conclusion does not follow from the premises
2) Both premises are false, the conclusion follows from the premises
3) Only first premise is false, the conclusion does not follow from the premises
4) Only first premise is false, the conclusion follows from the premises
5) Only second premise is false, the conclusion does not follow from the premises
6) Only second premise is false, the conclusion follows from the premises
7) No premise is false, the conclusion does not follow from the premises

Pick one for the start then we'll take it from there.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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### Re: Just a geometry puzzle for you... I know the answers.

making a faulty or false observation logically cohesive makes it a faulty observation that is logically cohesive. if infinity is greater than any integer of a natural number then what is greater than any integer of a natural number given that you can always add another integer of a natural number since given the principle of mathematical induction you can always a number onto a natural number to make it even a greater natural number and continue like this indefinitely. you are saying infinity is infinity and simply using a substitute for the latter infinity to make it seem serious instead of clownish.
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