obsrvr524 wrote:_
A type of intentional strategic herd defense -
James S Saint » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:05 am wrote:Actually, nature is not comprised of that which is attempting to expand. At any one moment, being is comprised of that which has thus far defeated entropy, it's own destruction (hence FC's "self-valuing" - maintaining itself). That which is, is that which has survived.
As well as that which has the ability to be an influence. Even a photon has its self-valuing, even though it is merely space which it values in its own terms. It gets abstract in the well, abstract realms.
The appearance of growth, expansion, and aggression are only the common anti-entropy effort that is temporarily utilized so as to offset the entropy and thus yield survival. Cells divide and multiply so as to surround themselves with a compatible substance, a shelter. Note that every creature stops growing at some point. The only thing in nature that seems to never stop growing is a black-hole, which is assumed to be eventually destroyed via collision with other black holes or perhaps merely instability.
Thats because the black hole can absorb anything, nothing contradicts it. It values everything in terms of its own self-valuing.
It has no particular nature.
Anentropy is actually the goal of all beings (forgiving the extension of the idea of having a goal to inanimate matter). Anentropy is the exact balance between entropy and anti-entropy. All subatomic particles stop growing or shrinking once they achieve anentropy - eternal survival. If due to some event they swell up too large, they shrink back down. If they lose too much, they grow back to their standard. The same is true with the undisturbed human body (or any creature). To the degree possible at the time, the same is true of atoms. Structures more complex than atoms become difficult to offset entropy until life is formed.
In fact they often do grow beyond what sustains them and then split up. This is I suspect the real cause of species diversity.
Mankind keeps expanding because Man won't leave Man alone. Disturbance instigates defense and instigated defense resorts to growth. Cultures existed for thousands of years without over populating. Life seeks natural balance, anentropy, not eternal expansion. Like a wound, Man keeps trying to expand because he keeps scratching himself. Thus Man believing in God has never been the actually issue, but rather Man lusting to be God, eternally all powerful .. and finally satisfied and left alone.
Many species grow beyond what their environment can sustain and then nearly die out.
So I think there is something missing in your argument here.
James S Saint » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:57 am wrote:Harmony with ones surroundings is critical to survival. Cells reproduce so as to surround themselves with a compatible, harmonic, ambient shelter (more of themselves). When that amicable shelter is lost, caustic chemicals find their way to the cell much more readily, like wolves finding your home after the town has moved away. Further protection is found by the surrounding shelter of similar cells being organized so as to supply nutrients and dispense with toxins (an orderly, cooperative town).
But this is not the conscious intent of the cell - rather, it produces more of itself out of an excessive vitality.
The balance required for such excess to become a proper sustaining life form is whether it has subtlety of discernment.
(the current "mandate of nature" is attempting with great success to rid the already not so discerning humans of their most important sense of discernment - smell. To help along that which wants to die)
James S Saint » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:13 pm wrote:What I meant was that what you now call a "nation" ends up being more like an organ of a larger body of Mankind. But it isn't assigned to be any particular organ. Instead it merely ends up being one because every SAM coop within that region is focused on doing what they can do in the wisest way they can determine without regard to any higher scheme of Mankind's global design. Thus they are not dissonant nor distracted by imagined fantasy grand ideological designs.
Do you not think that a nation with an abstractly thought out constitution, like the Roman Republic which was designed to prevent monopoly on power, or the former USA, have a slightly alternate mechanism, despite strains of such localist logic as you describe forming the base fabric?
It is exactly analogous to the cells of your body that never think in terms of what they should do for sake of the U.N.'s directives and mandates. Your cells merely do what they have to in order to keep alive. By them continuing to ignore the U.N., they keep the your body alive. SAM coops are far more intelligent than those cells, but they still attend to their own business above all else, lest the body of Mankind become dissonant, distracted by delusional fantasies, and fall into eternal contentious misery for all people concerned.
James S Saint » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:46 pm wrote:As I have said several times, the constitution of SAM is like a basic genome. The amendments of each SAM constitution create variations in a social form of a DNA strain. When overpopulated, SAM "cells" divide in a typical DNA/RNA fashion to form two SAM cells with similar but not necessarily identical amendments. Variety forms as cells divide and choose alternate amendments (DNA sequencing).
Larger groups of SAM cells form cell communities with very similar amendments such that most cells can preform the exact same function. Other groups form from a different variation of amendments so as to be able to perform perhaps a substantially different function. In modern terms, those two groups might be a manufacturing group of similar cells and a marketing group of similar cells. Such groupings are found in industrial complexes.
Just as there is no governing cells over the body, there is no governing cells over the SAM aggregate conglomerate.
Just as the cells of a body are governed by how they handle their environment, so are SAM cells, groups, and the entire conglomerate.
This is enabled since there is an overarching logic to which all successful cells subscribe.
Their cohering together in a greater body is due to this (selfvaluing) logic, to which both the parts and the whole subscribe.
This logic has been called "God" in the derivatives of Kabbalistic logic, i.e. Abrahamic religions.
In what we call pagan religions, "God" means a wholly different thing.
Reality is the only governor.
James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:09 pm wrote:The supposed strategy to propagate the species actually has nothing at all to do with any survival of the species. It is merely a misinterpretation of what is actually a greater strategy.
"Surround yourself with that which is harmonious with yourself."
But harmony isnt as easy a concept as you make it seem here.
In many cases, in order to be healthy, an animal needs to fight.
The same goes for nations. Wars have often been waged simply to keep the population fit and alert.
Not that this wont often go terribly wrong, but the alternative is sickness unto death.
That is why cells replicate, not to ensure the survival of the body.
That is why families form, not to endure the survival of offspring.
That is why nations form, not to ensure the survival of presidents/pharaohs/aristocrats.
And that is why the body has sex, to help surround itself WITH itself, not to "propagate the abstract species".
More coldly apprehended, these bodies replicate simply because they are made of growth (organic logic) and yet cant keep on growing indefinitely - the excess they produce by existing as organic matter is naturally of their own substance. The cases where this substance was a beneficial factor have been successful. To die and to reproduce are part of the same function. (why holy men dont tend to reproduce - they dont fear death in the same way, they are not defined by their organic, but by their atomic being)
)
