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Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:39 pm

So, why do you think scientists are placing literal written messages in generational bacterium?

I understand that within our DNA is a code that geneticists and microbiologists are trying to decipher, but what of encoding bacteria with messages, for what purpose?

It makes me wonder if the MRNA (messenger RNA)placed in the Covid vaccines has literal messages being added to people's genetic sequences. Messages for future generations to discover about our past.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:55 pm

WendyDarling wrote:So, why do you think scientists are placing literal written messages in generational bacterium?

I understand that within our DNA is a code that geneticists and microbiologists are trying to decipher, but what of encoding bacteria with messages, for what purpose?

It makes me wonder if the MRNA (messenger RNA)placed in the Covid vaccines has literal messages being added to people's genetic sequences. Messages for future generations to discover about our past.


It’s interesting ...

The two biggest problems are thus:

1.) the pleasurable exclusive access problem

2.) the negative zero sum problem

To be perfectly honest...

I don’t think people are going to feel ultimately good about having the best times of their lives by stomping on the heart of someone else.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:34 pm

WendyDarling wrote:So, why do you think scientists are placing literal written messages in generational bacterium?

I understand that within our DNA is a code that geneticists and microbiologists are trying to decipher, but what of encoding bacteria with messages, for what purpose?

It makes me wonder if the MRNA (messenger RNA)placed in the Covid vaccines has literal messages being added to people's genetic sequences. Messages for future generations to discover about our past.


Please cite!
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:41 pm

Sculptor wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:So, why do you think scientists are placing literal written messages in generational bacterium?

I understand that within our DNA is a code that geneticists and microbiologists are trying to decipher, but what of encoding bacteria with messages, for what purpose?

It makes me wonder if the MRNA (messenger RNA)placed in the Covid vaccines has literal messages being added to people's genetic sequences. Messages for future generations to discover about our past.


Please cite!

https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2011.557
Not sure which study the scientist I was watching was discussing. From this article, it looks like scientists are already coding messages into DNA and proteins, so the MRNA could most definitely contain some library-esque system.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/send-secret-messages-with-genetically-engineered-bacteria/
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:01 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:So, why do you think scientists are placing literal written messages in generational bacterium?

I understand that within our DNA is a code that geneticists and microbiologists are trying to decipher, but what of encoding bacteria with messages, for what purpose?

It makes me wonder if the MRNA (messenger RNA)placed in the Covid vaccines has literal messages being added to people's genetic sequences. Messages for future generations to discover about our past.


Please cite!

https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2011.557
Not sure which study the scientist I was watching was discussing. From this article, it looks like scientists are already coding messages into DNA and proteins, so the MRNA could most definitely contain some library-esque system.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/send-secret-messages-with-genetically-engineered-bacteria/


The reason for this is simple enough. Tagging bacteria enable science to track the life cycles of bacteria in lving systems to learn about bacteria and the potential effectiveness of antibiotics and antiseptic treatments.
What you have in these articales is the populist headline grabbing ideas that show how well understood the process is and how well they tag.
This has nothing to do with COVID since that is not a bacteria but a virus.
If you code a virus, it cannot imprint on the next generations' genome since viruses only attach to lving cells, which they immediately take over, and kill to spread more virus.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:13 am

Sculptor wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
Sculptor wrote:So, why do you think scientists are placing literal written messages in generational bacterium?

I understand that within our DNA is a code that geneticists and microbiologists are trying to decipher, but what of encoding bacteria with messages, for what purpose?

It makes me wonder if the MRNA (messenger RNA)placed in the Covid vaccines has literal messages being added to people's genetic sequences. Messages for future generations to discover about our past.
https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2011.557
Not sure which study the scientist I was watching was discussing. From this article, it looks like scientists are already coding messages into DNA and proteins, so the MRNA could most definitely contain some library-esque system.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/send-secret-messages-with-genetically-engineered-bacteria/


The reason for this is simple enough. Tagging bacteria enqable science to track the life cycles of bacteria in lving systems to learn about bacteria and the potential effectiveness of antibiotics and antiseptic treatments.
What you have in these articales is the populist headline grabbing ideas that show how well understood the process is and how well they tag.
This has nothing to do with COVID since that is not a bacteria but a virus.
If you code a virus, it cannot imprint on the next generations' genome since viruses only attach to lving cells, which they immediately take over, and kill to spread more virus.

Spoke about the MRNA in the vaccine but continue on about the virus if you must but the virus is not pertinent to my questions about the types of information they are encoding in bacteria, DNA, or proteins.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:27 am

I'm thinking the message is probably something like - "Patent pending #16342874 - CCP Corp".

Isn't that what Monsanto did to create Round Up weed killer that kills everything that doesn't have the right DNA signature? Then they claim ownership of everything still alive.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:38 am

obsrvr524 wrote:I'm thinking the message is probably something like - "Patent pending #16342874 - CCP Corp".

Stolen “Patent pending...” :lol:

No, but seriously speculating, what would or could be said about our time that would clear up misconceptions about 2000 AD on? Our original DNA was such and such before we meddled with it and became cyborgs.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:43 am

WendyDarling wrote:No, but seriously speculating, what would or could be said about our time that would clear up misconceptions about 2000 AD on? Our original DNA was such and such before we meddled with it and became cyborgs.

"The Human Finale"? :-k
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Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:53 am

WendyDarling wrote:Spoke about the MRNA in the vaccine but continue on about the virus if you must but the virus is not pertinent to my questions about the types of information they are encoding in bacteria, DNA, or proteins.


I answered that question.
And YOU mentioned COVID, so I responded to your query on that too. The MRNA is just a carrier of a protein.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Sculptor » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:55 am

obsrvr524 wrote:I'm thinking the message is probably something like - "Patent pending #16342874 - CCP Corp".

Isn't that what Monsanto did to create Round Up weed killer that kills everything that doesn't have the right DNA signature? Then they claim ownership of everything still alive.

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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:27 am

Sculptor wrote:The MRNA is just a carrier of a protein.


Well, it's a bit more basic of an element than that. Trees, for example, don't have DNA, they only have RNA (the M in MRNA simply simply means Messenger to point out that, in animals, the RNA has more of an intermediary nature between the DNA and the proteins than an originating nature as in plants, but the mechanisms are the same).

The way it happens is like this:

A single strand of the double-stranded DNA molecule in a cell is split off from the DNA. The strand is then purged of the unnecessary "code" or chemical chains that are irrelevant to what it will do next. Once it has been purged, it constitutes MRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid), it is moved to another part of the cell, and there different amino acids bind to it and form into a protein based on the chemical "code" in the strand.

So, like, adding an external MRNA molecule to every single cell in your body is like adding DNA but skipping the bureaucracy. It is still going to be the thing that does what DNA technically does, which is to produce proteins from chemical "codes" that will go on to constitute the entirety of your body. MRNA does have a code, you dummy.

It's not "just a carrier of a protein."

You should perhaps learn yourself on a subject before you pontificate.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:11 pm

What could the messages be literally saying with letters and numbers? Will they be warnings to future generations about all the stuff our current world governments already know but never tell the public?
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:04 pm

I think they are talking more about spy messaging and secret identification codes - putting an array of bacteria onto something or someone to secretly convey a message - like using G5 piggy-backed onto and underneath the perception of a G4 network.

This seems to be the age of spies. That accounts for the Information Ontology bit.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby promethean75 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:19 pm

Plus you gotta remember this. There are far too many independent virologists who have both the expertise and resources to examine and investigate everything about the vaccines if they chose to do so.... and we're not hearing about assassinated scientists mysteriously turning up anywhere. This must mean that the virologists are either protected and on the payroll, or not finding anything suspicious about the vaccines (cuz if they did they'd mention it and be silenced/assassinated.)

How you like them logics?
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:45 pm

Aventador wrote:
Sculptor wrote:The MRNA is just a carrier of a protein.


Well, it's a bit more basic of an element than that. Trees, for example, don't have DNA, they only have RNA (the M in MRNA simply simply means Messenger to point out that, in animals, the RNA has more of an intermediary nature between the DNA and the proteins than an originating nature as in plants, but the mechanisms are the same).

The way it happens is like this:

A single strand of the double-stranded DNA molecule in a cell is split off from the DNA. The strand is then purged of the unnecessary "code" or chemical chains that are irrelevant to what it will do next. Once it has been purged, it constitutes MRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid), it is moved to another part of the cell, and there different amino acids bind to it and form into a protein based on the chemical "code" in the strand.

So, like, adding an external MRNA molecule to every single cell in your body is like adding DNA but skipping the bureaucracy. It is still going to be the thing that does what DNA technically does, which is to produce proteins from chemical "codes" that will go on to constitute the entirety of your body. MRNA does have a code, you dummy.

It's not "just a carrier of a protein."

You should perhaps learn yourself on a subject before you pontificate.


To make it maybe a little clearer: the Messenger in Messenger RiboNucleic Acid does not refer to the transportation of proteins, but to the transportation from the DNA molecule in the cell of the code used to generate proteins to the part of the cell where the proteins are generated. This also means that the MRNA in the vaccines does not have a messenger function, as their is no original DNA molecule it is copying the information from, but a coding function.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:53 pm

That also brings up a very interesting correlation: how little scientists actually understand DNA.

The way DNA "codes" phenotypes, that is, everything that occurs in your body, is by selectively generating proteins from amino acids. That is all DNA does, code for proteins. This then begins a chain reaction that eventually leads to, let's say, "blue eyes." Simply by the chemical interactions these proteins then undergo. As you can imagine, this process is so mind-bogglingly complicated and hard to trace, that scientists not only have not even began to be able to trace it, but do not even try. The way DNA code is "broken" is by isolating a phenotype, let's say "blue eyes," and then finding the corresponding code in DNA that ocurrs whenever blue eyes occur, and does not occur when blue eyes do not occur. They guess. By guessing they have generated a fairly impressive map of genes, but it is a popular myth that scientists understand how DNA code expression works.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:58 pm

Maybe that is one reason these MRNA vaccines, which feel a little like using an atomic bomb to take out a mole in a frenchman's garden, or using the CIA to discover what your child looks at on the computer, are being implemented is as a sort of experimental way to slowly begin to understand DNA expression.

What these MRNA molecules in the vaccine do is code for the Wuhan cold, so that your own body then produces it in controlled amounts and builds immunity against it. As you can imagine, coding for the creation of a virus is far less complicated, and the chain of generated proteins leading to an entire organism, or whole phenotypes, far easier to trace.

Personally, that is the reason I think this was done. The situation was exploited to implement mass scale experimentation to better understand DNA expression, its actual dynamics rather than just correlating code to phenotypes.

It goes without saying that Wendy Darling is right, and aside from coding for this virus it could code for anything else the developpers chose, including simple coded messages and jokes. Maybe the message is "the bearer of this RNA molecule is gay and I had sex with his mother."
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:24 pm

LifeSite - Fri Apr 9, 2021 - 4:27 am EST wrote:The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”

Reverse transcription
As the phrase “reverse transcription” implies, the DNA-to-mRNA pathway is not always a one-way street. Enzymes called reverse transcriptases can also convert RNA into DNA, allowing the latter to be integrated into the DNA in the cell nucleus.

Nor is reverse transcription uncommon. Geneticists report that “Over 40% of mammalian genomes comprise the products of reverse transcription.”

The preliminary evidence cited by the Harvard-MIT researchers indicates that endogenous reverse transcriptase enzymes may facilitate reverse transcription of coronavirus RNAs and trigger their integration into the human genome.

So the vaccine does have the potential - and probability - of altering the human DNA. So of course that will be what it is used for (if not already being used on your children).

Apparently the Chinese have been altering the DNA of their solders in the effort to make the "winter-solders" - "super-solders".

Leave it to communists to hold to no limit.

Perhaps that is what the "message" reads. :D
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:55 pm

Yes, RNA is genetic material. If you think about it, trees use it in lieu of DNA, that is, RNA does get transmitted from generation to generation like DNA does. There is no reason that RNA added to the cells of your body wouldn't be carried in the sperm cells, along with the DNA molecules, and transmitted to the offspring.

This was obvious to me from the beginning, another thing this entire episode is impressing on me is just how ignorant even scientists in other fields are of how genetics work. These are the genetic dynamics that are simple to understand.

RNA does not even have to alter DNA. It itself constitutes genome, genetic material.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:43 am

Don't fool yourself. What these vaccines are injecting into your body are genes.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:50 am

The problem with DNA alterations is that it redefines your family for all future generations - redesigning humanity - to fit what someone else likes.

James mentioned this kind of thing years ago - "retroviruses designed to alter DNA and humanity".

Apparently vaccines are more efficient - demanding that ALL children and even those already immune - take our injection - immediately - or else. And in many places the elderly being the lowest priority.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:12 am

obsrvr524 wrote:And in many places the elderly being the lowest priority.


Not the slightest effort was made to specifically insulate the actual people at risk.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:17 am

obsrvr524 wrote:The problem with DNA alterations is that it redefines your family for all future generations - redesigning humanity - to fit what someone else likes.


One can see where the temptation in some cases would be hard to resist, like to cure something like muscular dystrophy. But to cure what is essentially a common cold?

You really need to rearrange a person's entire genome so they don't get a cold?

It's a little like getting an entire intestinal transplant to cure lactose intolerance.
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Re: Messages in Bacteria

Postby Aventador » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:19 am

Or, like they did in the days when neurosurgeons wanted to better understand the functioning of the brain, a lobotomy to cure a mood disorder.
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