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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat May 15, 2021 3:06 am

The socialist authoritarian global regime is the only "Existential Threat" - and to every nation and all peasants.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat May 15, 2021 7:13 am

Gloominary wrote:The Bush/Cheney and Obama/Biden regimes started multiple wars.

Trump started 0 wars, even tho he was pressured to by the deep state.

Who's an existential threat?



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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 2:38 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:The socialist authoritarian global regime is the only "Existential Threat" - and to every nation and all peasants.

While I'm not against any and all socialism, FTMP I agree.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/05/08/department-of-social-justice-brings-federal-criminal-charges-against-derek-chauvin-and-three-other-cops/

Welcome to the new progressive era.

Among other things, the definition of progress is erasing our national borders, abolishing the police, censoring the internet, dismantling the gender binary, teaching White children to hate themselves and their country in public schools and redefining equal justice as social justice. The way this works is that the media cherry picks which incidents to elevate to national attention to push the anti-police narrative, “journalists” convict police officers of “white supremacy” and systematic racism and the DOSJ follows up by launching investigations and bringing federal charges to punish the evil doers.

NPR:

“The Justice Department has filed federal criminal charges against Derek Chauvin, accusing the former police officer of using excessive force and violating the civil rights of George Floyd. Floyd died after Chauvin pressed on his neck for more than nine minutes on the pavement outside a convenience store last year in Minneapolis.

Three other former officers on the scene that day — Thomas Lane, J. Alexander Kueng and Tou Thao — have been charged federally in connection with Floyd’s death. Two of the men, Kueng and Thao, are accused of failing to intervene to stop Chauvin. All three face a charge of failing to provide medical care with “deliberate indifference” to Floyd’s suffering. They already are preparing for a state trial in August. …”

If Derek Chauvin had been found innocent by a jury, DOSJ’s plan was to arrest him on the spot on the basis of these federal charges, which were announced yesterday

National Review:

“At best, the Justice Department’s indictment of Derek Chauvin and the three other former Minneapolis cops involved in George Floyd’s killing nearly a year ago is overkill. At worst, it is an exercise in political zeal that could undermine the accountability being achieved by state prosecutions. In the meantime, it is abusive — ironically so given that the charges are brought under the guise of upholding civil rights, though it obviously has not dawned on the Civil Rights Division’s social-justice warriors that police have civil rights, too. …

The other three former cops charged by the Justice Department are Chauvin’s partner, Tou Thao, a 35-year-old veteran of the force, and a pair of rookies, Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng, 38 and 27 respectively, who were brand new to the job when they encountered Floyd last Memorial Day. The three are scheduled to be tried jointly in state court, starting August 23, on charges of aiding and abetting second-degree murder and manslaughter. Furthermore, prosecutors are pushing to add a third-degree “depraved indifference” murder charge, just as they controversially did in Chauvin’s case. In less than two weeks (May 20), a state appellate court will hear arguments on whether that should be permitted. …”

Essentially, these Democratic-controlled power centers all act as one cabal now – the corporate media, the Department of Social Justice, the FBI, Big Tech, Big Business and Antifa and Black Lives Matter which are their state sponsored party militias – and they work to inflict “justice” on their enemies. This is why DOSJ looks the other way when Black Lives Matter riots or when mobs intimidate witnesses in their show trials. Those people have permission from their party to break the law.


http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/05/11/new-york-times-efforts-to-weed-out-extremists-in-law-enforcement-meet-resistance/

Woke progressives are full of demands these days:

In order to fight climate change, they need the power to tackle our meat obsession.
In order to fight gun violence, they need a national red flag law.
In order to fight off “domestic extremists,” they need the National Guard to occupy Washington.
In order to maintain and expand their grip on power, they need federal control of state elections and to pack the Senate with new states and the Supreme Court with new justices.
In order to feel safe after the “trauma” of the Capitol Siege, they need the power to impose a political litmus test on the military and to purge “extremists.”
In order to protect themselves from “trauma” and “misinformation,” they need the power to censor the internet to silence their domestic political opposition.
In order to fight “domestic extremism,” they need to vastly expand the surveillance state to get around the Constitution and a new domestic terrorism law.
In order to brainwash your children into hating themselves for being White, they need the power to push critical race theory in public schools.
In order to get their way in states where progressive activists are a tiny minority, they want to weaponize the power of multinational corporations to veto legislation passed by state legislatures.
In order to demographically replace Republican voters in the Sunbelt, they need open borders and to resettle refugees from war zones
In order to fight systematic racism, the Department of Social Justice is putting the police on trial and investigating local police departments
In order to fight white supremacy, some progressive activists want to dismantle the National Park System and return the National Parks to Native Americans
In order to dominate cable television, they have floated the possibility of having the cable companies deplatform their rivals because going after advertisers hasn’t worked
In order to abolish gender, they need to neuter Mr. Potato Head
In order to cleanse the public square of racism, they need to topple hundreds of public monuments and any monument will do
Is there anything else?

What else do woke progressive activists need from us to bring on their utopia? In addition to the power to determine who can hold a job in this country or fly on a plane or open a bank account or whether the president of the United States can use social media, they also need the power to determine who can be a police officer based on their political affiliations to weed out “extremists.”

New York Times:

“In the battle to stamp out extremism from the ranks of the police, lawmakers from California to Minnesota have proposed solutions they thought were straightforward.

Some laws would empower the police to do more robust background checks of recruits, letting them vet social media to make sure new officers were not members of hate groups. Other laws would make it easier for departments to fire officers with ties to extremists. …

Police officers, like everybody else, enjoy First Amendment rights to free speech and free assembly, so the challenge for lawmakers is figuring out how to preserve those rights while barring extremists from infiltrating the ranks.

California is one of four states, including Oregon, Minnesota and Tennessee, along with Washington, D.C., that have proposed new laws to give law enforcement agencies more power to exclude officers with ties to extremism. …

There is little hard data on the number of American police officers with explicit ties to extremism, although senior officials have repeatedly characterized domestic extremism as an accelerating threat. “We have a growing fear of domestic violent extremism and domestic terrorism,” Merrick Garland, the attorney general, said during a hearing on Capitol Hill last week. …

For Ms. Bynum, getting a statement of principle against extremism set into law would be an important first step. “Essentially, you have to move the ball,” she said. …”

Unfortunately, there is a “thicket of obstacles” standing in the way of this.

The First Amendment protects the rights of everyone to free speech and free assembly. The Second Amendment protects the right to own firearms. The Fourth Amendment protects people against unreasonable search and seizures. The Tenth Amendment protects the reserved rights of the states.


http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/05/15/msnbc-former-fbi-director-on-domestic-extremists-and-connection-to-trump/

What is going on with the libs?

Can someone do a welfare check? I’m concerned.

They love George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney now. They love John McCain and Mitt Romney now. They love neocons like Bill Kristol now. They love the Republican establishment and Wall Street and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce now. They love rich people and corporations now.

Nicolle Wallace has her own MSNBC show. The libs love the FBI now. They love the War on Terror so much now that they want to bring it home. They love censorship and the government invading your privacy and trampling on civil liberties now. They hate free speech, due process and non-violence now. They’re saying that they hate tolerance and colorblindness and love racial discrimination now. They hate science now and believe that men can become women on a whim or that it makes sense to wear a mask outdoors in high temperatures after being vaccinated. They hate Richard Dawkins and J.K. Rowling now. They hate Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson who were the founders of the Democratic Party now. In the Land of Lincoln, the libs are saying that they also hate Abraham Lincoln now who freed the slaves. The transformation has been so swift in recent years that libs say they don’t even believe in equality now.

What happened to Stephen Colbert? He used to be funny like 15 years ago. Now he only has progressive dad jokes about “hate speech” and the government using facial recognition software to hunt down people who were inside the Capitol on January 6th. The libs love snitches, tattletales and hall monitors now. The libs love it and stand up and applaud when powerful institutions bully powerless people now. The libs never let the truth or the facts get in the way of pushing a good woke narrative now.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat May 15, 2021 3:19 pm

Gloominary:
Woke progressives are full of demands these days:

In order to fight climate change, they need the power to tackle our meat obsession.
In order to fight gun violence, they need a national red flag law.
In order to fight off “domestic extremists,” they need the National Guard to occupy Washington.
In order to maintain and expand their grip on power, they need federal control of state elections and to pack the Senate with new states and the Supreme Court with new justices.
In order to feel safe after the “trauma” of the Capitol Siege, they need the power to impose a political litmus test on the military and to purge “extremists.”
In order to protect themselves from “trauma” and “misinformation,” they need the power to censor the internet to silence their domestic political opposition.
In order to fight “domestic extremism,” they need to vastly expand the surveillance state to get around the Constitution and a new domestic terrorism law.
In order to brainwash your children into hating themselves for being White, they need the power to push critical race theory in public schools.
In order to get their way in states where progressive activists are a tiny minority, they want to weaponize the power of multinational corporations to veto legislation passed by state legislatures.
In order to demographically replace Republican voters in the Sunbelt, they need open borders and to resettle refugees from war zones
In order to fight systematic racism, the Department of Social Justice is putting the police on trial and investigating local police departments
In order to fight white supremacy, some progressive activists want to dismantle the National Park System and return the National Parks to Native Americans
In order to dominate cable television, they have floated the possibility of having the cable companies deplatform their rivals because going after advertisers hasn’t worked
In order to abolish gender, they need to neuter Mr. Potato Head
In order to cleanse the public square of racism, they need to topple hundreds of public monuments and any monument will do
Is there anything else?

What else do woke progressive activists need from us to bring on their utopia? In addition to the power to determine who can hold a job in this country or fly on a plane or open a bank account or whether the president of the United States can use social media, they also need the power to determine who can be a police officer based on their political affiliations to weed out “extremists.”


They love George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney now. They love John McCain and Mitt Romney now. They love neocons like Bill Kristol now. They love the Republican establishment and Wall Street and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce now. They love rich people and corporations now.

Nicolle Wallace has her own MSNBC show. The libs love the FBI now. They love the War on Terror so much now that they want to bring it home. They love censorship and the government invading your privacy and trampling on civil liberties now. They hate free speech, due process and non-violence now. They’re saying that they hate tolerance and colorblindness and love racial discrimination now. They hate science now and believe that men can become women on a whim or that it makes sense to wear a mask outdoors in high temperatures after being vaccinated. They hate Richard Dawkins and J.K. Rowling now. They hate Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson who were the founders of the Democratic Party now. In the Land of Lincoln, the libs are saying that they also hate Abraham Lincoln now who freed the slaves. The transformation has been so swift in recent years that libs say they don’t even believe in equality now.

What happened to Stephen Colbert? He used to be funny like 15 years ago. Now he only has progressive dad jokes about “hate speech” and the government using facial recognition software to hunt down people who were inside the Capitol on January 6th. The libs love snitches, tattletales and hall monitors now. The libs love it and stand up and applaud when powerful institutions bully powerless people now. The libs never let the truth or the facts get in the way of pushing a good woke narrative now.
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K: I request that this part be moved into the "creative writing" Forum....
since it has little to do with reality and everything to do with conspiracies...
Gloom has been apparently been inducted into the TFH party...
whose motto is,

"never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy"

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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 3:24 pm

Did DJT's policies on trade constitute an existential threat?

Funny Bernie was also a protectionist and Biden has adopted many of Trump's policies on trade.

No allowing millions of good jobs, many of them union to be shipped overseas to authoritarian dictatorships like China who trade unfairly is the existential threat, to be dependent on them for essential goods, to allow them to buy our homes inflating prices, our land and critical resources.

Free trade is a Reaganite/Thatcherite/Mulroney idea, and it has been disastrous for America, Britain and Canada alike.

We need fair and balanced trade, not free on the one hand, nor isolationism on the other.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat May 15, 2021 3:45 pm

Gloominary wrote:Did DJT's policies on trade constitute an existential threat?

Funny Bernie was also a protectionist and Biden has adopted many of Trump's policies on trade.

No allowing millions of union jobs to be shipped overseas to authoritarian dictatorships like China who trade unfairly is the existential threat, to be dependent on them for essential goods, to allow them to buy our homes inflating prices, our land and critical resources.

Free trade is a Reaganite/Thatcherite/Mulroney idea, and it has been disastrous for America, Britain and Canada alike.

We need fair and balanced trade, not free on the one hand or isolationism on the other.


K: and missing the point as to WHO shipped those jobs overseas? it certainly wasn't the
unions, and it wasn't the government.. so who is left? clearly, it was businesses
and CEO's trying to amp up their bonus checks.... and that is the bottom line...
managers managing to their bonus checks...

the second point is this, yes, IQ45 trade policies were a disaster for America..
and the part of being an existential threat is not the specific policy, but
the idea behind it.... isolationism is the path to failure in this modern age...
and everything IQ45 did was to encourage and promote isolation... trade is not
a zero sum game....to truly have a benefit from trade, everyone must win or no one wins...

one can quibble about the specific policy, but the general idea is what matters...
and IQ45 trade policy, just as one example, was a disaster because it failed to see
that trade between countries is a plus for a country as long, as long, as every one wins...
the fact of the matter is one of the failed economic policies of the last 500 years
was Mercantilism...and IQ45 policy was a riffed off of Mercantilism.....and here we
are rebuilding our trade policies...and the third thing is, I am not a bernie guy....

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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 3:53 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Did DJT's policies on trade constitute an existential threat?

Funny Bernie was also a protectionist and Biden has adopted many of Trump's policies on trade.

No allowing millions of union jobs to be shipped overseas to authoritarian dictatorships like China who trade unfairly is the existential threat, to be dependent on them for essential goods, to allow them to buy our homes inflating prices, our land and critical resources.

Free trade is a Reaganite/Thatcherite/Mulroney idea, and it has been disastrous for America, Britain and Canada alike.

We need fair and balanced trade, not free on the one hand or isolationism on the other.


K: and missing the point as to WHO shipped those jobs overseas? it certainly wasn't the
unions, and it wasn't the government.. so who is left? clearly, it was businesses
and CEO's trying to amp up their bonus checks.... and that is the bottom line...
managers managing to their bonus checks...

the second point is this, yes, IQ45 trade policies were a disaster for America..
and the part of being an existential threat is not the specific policy, but
the idea behind it.... isolationism is the path to failure in this modern age...
and everything IQ45 did was to encourage and promote isolation... trade is not
a zero sum game....to truly have a benefit from trade, everyone must win or no one wins...

one can quibble about the specific policy, but the general idea is what matters...
and IQ45 trade policy, just as one example, was a disaster because it failed to see
that trade between countries is a plus for a country as long, as long, as every one wins...
the fact of the matter is one of the failed economic policies of the last 500 years
was Mercantilism...and IQ45 policy was a riffed off of Mercantilism.....and here we
are rebuilding our trade policies...and the third thing is, I am not a bernie guy....

Kropotkin

This is a smear, Trump was all for win/win trade.

Sometimes you have to play hardball to avoid losing.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat May 15, 2021 4:08 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Did DJT's policies on trade constitute an existential threat?

Funny Bernie was also a protectionist and Biden has adopted many of Trump's policies on trade.

No allowing millions of union jobs to be shipped overseas to authoritarian dictatorships like China who trade unfairly is the existential threat, to be dependent on them for essential goods, to allow them to buy our homes inflating prices, our land and critical resources.

Free trade is a Reaganite/Thatcherite/Mulroney idea, and it has been disastrous for America, Britain and Canada alike.

We need fair and balanced trade, not free on the one hand or isolationism on the other.


K: and missing the point as to WHO shipped those jobs overseas? it certainly wasn't the
unions, and it wasn't the government.. so who is left? clearly, it was businesses
and CEO's trying to amp up their bonus checks.... and that is the bottom line...
managers managing to their bonus checks...

the second point is this, yes, IQ45 trade policies were a disaster for America..
and the part of being an existential threat is not the specific policy, but
the idea behind it.... isolationism is the path to failure in this modern age...
and everything IQ45 did was to encourage and promote isolation... trade is not
a zero sum game....to truly have a benefit from trade, everyone must win or no one wins...

one can quibble about the specific policy, but the general idea is what matters...
and IQ45 trade policy, just as one example, was a disaster because it failed to see
that trade between countries is a plus for a country as long, as long, as every one wins...
the fact of the matter is one of the failed economic policies of the last 500 years
was Mercantilism...and IQ45 policy was a riffed off of Mercantilism.....and here we
are rebuilding our trade policies...and the third thing is, I am not a bernie guy....

Kropotkin


G: This is a smear, Trump was all for win/win trade....

K: simply not true...IQ45 believed in a zero sum game where there were winners
and there were losers...at no point in his presidency did he ever tried to
create a win/win with anybody, any trade partner or ally....

on March 1, 2018 IQ45 said this: "Trade wars are good, and easy to win"

that doesn't sound like a "win/win" for everybody...

it was always America first and screw everybody else... and the fact is that
this policy of putting America first failed....in any group situation, we have to
work out the policies so that everyone wins....for example, in a family, if you try
to work out a policy where only member wins, that family is or will become dysfunctional
there is no reason to work with someone unless you can get something out of it...
and a zero sum game where there is only one winner discourages anyone else to play..
like in trading or in treaties....(sports is different) try to play a game where you
have no chance to win... not much fun and very few play very long...

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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 4:47 pm

K: simply not true...IQ45 believed in a zero sum game where there were winners
and there were losers...at no point in his presidency did he ever tried to
create a win/win with anybody, any trade partner or ally....

on March 1, 2018 IQ45 said this: "Trade wars are good, and easy to win"

that doesn't sound like a "win/win" for everybody...

it was always America first and screw everybody else... and the fact is that
this policy of putting America first failed....in any group situation, we have to
work out the policies so that everyone wins....for example, in a family, if you try
to work out a policy where only member wins, that family is or will become dysfunctional
there is no reason to work with someone unless you can get something out of it...
and a zero sum game where there is only one winner discourages anyone else to play..
like in trading or in treaties....(sports is different) try to play a game where you
have no chance to win... not much fun and very few play very long...

Business and family are two different things.
In business you have to put your company and country first, or you'll be taken advantage of.
It doesn't mean you want to see the other guy lose, you want him to win too, but you try to get as much out of the deal as you can without terminating it, unless you can't get anything out of it, in which case it should be terminated.
America had been losing to countries like China for decades, he had to be particularly ruthless at times to compensate.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 5:13 pm

Where did Trump say: 'if the only way you can win more is for the other guy to win more too, then don't make the deal'.
Is that honestly what you believe Trump meant?
That's financial sadomasochism, if that was Trump's philosophy he would've been in the poorhouse long ago instead of multiplying his inherited wealth and growing America's (per capita) GDP.
That's not what putting America first means, it means winning as much as you can, whether that means the other guy wins more, breaks even or wins less in the process, only if you have more to lose than gain from the deal should it be terminated.
This is an absurd and gross mischaracterization of his philosophy.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat May 15, 2021 6:17 pm

Gloominary wrote:Where did Trump say: 'if the only way you can win more is for the other guy to win more too, then don't make the deal'.
Is that honestly what you believe Trump meant?
That's financial sadomasochism, if that was Trump's philosophy he would've been in the poorhouse long ago instead of multiplying his inherited wealth and growing America's (per capita) GDP.
That's not what putting America first means, it means winning as much as you can, whether that means the other guy wins more, breaks even or wins less in the process, only if you have more to lose than gain from the deal should it be terminated.
This is an absurd and gross mischaracterization of his philosophy.


K: I have to admit to laughing about IQ45 being in the poorhouse... he is underwater as
far as his wealth is concerned...his debts are greater then his assets....if he just put the
400 million dollars he inherited into a bank, he would be far wealthier then he is now....

as Mark Cuban has said, if you need to borrow money to buy something, you are not
wealthy...and Bloomberg has scoffed at IQ45 being a billionaire...and Bloomberg
runs in the exact same waters that IQ45 did...once the tax returns are released,
you will see just how much in debt that IQ45 really is in....

as far as the rest of your post...I didn't "Misrepresent" IQ45 "philosophy"...
it is exactly as I said it is....play the zero sum game where only IQ45 wins..
recall IQ45 has declared bankruptcy 6 times... he is a total failure playing
a businessman....and he sank the American economy as well.....

even before the "Trump depression" struck in March of last year, the
economy was for shit...I point out that under IQ45, he lost far more jobs
then he created... and by a lot....

IQ45 was a failed businessman, he is a failed politician and he is a failed
president.... everything he touches turns to shit....doubt that?
look at the GOP... they are in the middle of a civil war due to the failed
leadership of IQ45....he tried to overthrow the government with his attempted
insurrection of Jan 6....you cannot even defend this failed human being....

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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 10:36 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Where did Trump say: 'if the only way you can win more is for the other guy to win more too, then don't make the deal'.
Is that honestly what you believe Trump meant?
That's financial sadomasochism, if that was Trump's philosophy he would've been in the poorhouse long ago instead of multiplying his inherited wealth and growing America's (per capita) GDP.
That's not what putting America first means, it means winning as much as you can, whether that means the other guy wins more, breaks even or wins less in the process, only if you have more to lose than gain from the deal should it be terminated.
This is an absurd and gross mischaracterization of his philosophy.


K: I have to admit to laughing about IQ45 being in the poorhouse... he is underwater as
far as his wealth is concerned...his debts are greater then his assets....if he just put the
400 million dollars he inherited into a bank, he would be far wealthier then he is now....

as Mark Cuban has said, if you need to borrow money to buy something, you are not
wealthy...and Bloomberg has scoffed at IQ45 being a billionaire...and Bloomberg
runs in the exact same waters that IQ45 did...once the tax returns are released,
you will see just how much in debt that IQ45 really is in....

Forbes estimates his net worth at 2.4 billion.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/?sh=15c7346c47bd

"Donald Trump was the only billionaire president in American history.
The bulk of his fortune remains tied up in New York City real estate.
Trump also owns golf courses and a winery, and he has licensed his name to companies around the world.
In 2019, he changed his official residence from Trump Tower in New York City to Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, FL.
He got his start working for his father, Fred, who developed low-cost housing in Brooklyn and Queens".


His 'self-made score' is 4 of 10, which means he's moderately self-made.

even before the "Trump depression" struck in March of last year, the
economy was for shit...I point out that under IQ45, he lost far more jobs
then he created... and by a lot....

The economy was growing and unemployment shrinking at a steady pace before the fake pandemic damaged it, and it began recovering long before Biden took office.
Take a look at the data table near the top of the page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

IQ45 was a failed businessman, he is a failed politician and he is a failed
president.... everything he touches turns to shit....doubt that?
look at the GOP... they are in the middle of a civil war due to the failed
leadership of IQ45....he tried to overthrow the government with his attempted
insurrection of Jan 6....you cannot even defend this failed human being....

The republican party and states have a constitutional right to challenge the 2020 results, just as many dems challenged the Bush/Kerry results.
They're still challenging and auditing the 2020 results, so we'll see what comes out of that.

Trump never once called for violence, in fact he discouraged it multiple times; 'let's show them we're the party of law and order'.
The vast, vast majority of Jan 6 protestors were peaceful.
They were permitted entry into the Capitol Building by security.
A handful of the protestors went in.
Of those that did, most remained peaceful, but some committed petty acts of vandalism and fought with security.
All in all it was a peaceful protest.

That fascists like Liz and her ilk are being ousted is great news, the republican party will be stronger for it, perhaps Liz and co will find a new home in the increasingly fascistic and Marxist democratic party.
Had populists like pre-woke Bernie or Tulsi won, dems may have gone in a different direction, and the party may be purging itself of fascists like Biden, the Clintons and Obama now.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Dan~ » Sat May 15, 2021 10:47 pm

Obama was a fascist?
I thought he spent some time in the jungle eating non GMO bananas.
That was his only sin.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat May 15, 2021 11:14 pm

Peter Kropotkin: I have to admit to laughing about IQ45 being in the poorhouse... he is underwater as
far as his wealth is concerned...his debts are greater then his assets....if he just put the
400 million dollars he inherited into a bank, he would be far wealthier then he is now....
as Mark Cuban has said, if you need to borrow money to buy something, you are not
wealthy...and Bloomberg has scoffed at IQ45 being a billionaire...and Bloomberg
runs in the exact same waters that IQ45 did...once the tax returns are released,
you will see just how much in debt that IQ45 really is in....

GL: Forbes estimates his net worth at 2.4 billion.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/?sh=15c7346c47bd

"Donald Trump was the only billionaire president in American history.
The bulk of his fortune remains tied up in New York City real estate.
Trump also owns golf courses and a winery, and he has licensed his name to companies around the world.
In 2019, he changed his official residence from Trump Tower in New York City to Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, FL.
He got his start working for his father, Fred, who developed low-cost housing in Brooklyn and Queens".

His 'self-made score' is 4 of 10, which means he's moderately self-made.

K: wow, you have a career ahead of you in writing fiction...
he is under water.. he owes over 450 million dollars due in 2024...
in personal debt and he can't pay it....... and he knows it....

k: even before the "Trump depression" struck in March of last year, the
economy was for shit...I point out that under IQ45, he lost far more jobs
then he created... and by a lot....[/quote]

GL: The economy was growing and unemployment shrinking at a steady pace before the fake pandemic damaged it, and it began recovering long before Biden took office.
Take a look at the data table near the top of the page:

K: everyone thinks the 1920's were great economically, but they weren't...
millions of "Little" people were pushed to the brink even before the Great Depression....
farmers for example... everything was great before the pandemic but it wasn't...
income still was for shit, the rise in employment came in low wage service jobs that
had no benefits..... if you think flipping burgers is a "well off job", think again...
the economy grew for a very small class and that class was the wealthy...

K: IQ45 was a failed businessman, he is a failed politician and he is a failed
president.... everything he touches turns to shit....doubt that?
look at the GOP... they are in the middle of a civil war due to the failed
leadership of IQ45....he tried to overthrow the government with his attempted
insurrection of Jan 6....you cannot even defend this failed human being....

GL: The republican party and states have a constitutional right to challenge the 2020 results, just as many dems challenged the Bush/Kerry results.
They're still challenging and auditing the 2020 results, so we'll see what comes out of that.

K: no, the GOP is in full civil war mode... that has nothing to do with challenging the 2020
election.. which they lost...the canceling of Liz Chaney is just one part of the GOP civil war...

G: Trump never once called for violence, in fact he discouraged it multiple times; 'let's show them we're the party of law and order'.
The vast, vast majority of Jan 6 protestors were peaceful.
They were permitted entry into the Capitol Building by security.
A handful of the protestors went in.
Of those that did, most remained peaceful, but some committed petty acts of vandalism and fought with security. All in all it was a peaceful protest.

K: and we see your fiction writing at its best.. it wasn't just a peaceful tourist outing,
unless you think a typical tourist outing kills people and sends hundreds of police officers
to the hospital.. over 140 police officers were hurt on Jan. 6.. it wasn't peaceful outing
and if you think it was, you are incredibly in denial....if it was so peaceful, then why
are over 400 people are being charged with crimes? including illegal entry, assaulting police officers...
to name a few of the crimes the insurrectionists of Jan 6...

GL: That fascists like Liz and her ilk are being ousted is great news, the republican party will be stronger for it, perhaps Liz and co will find a new home in the increasingly fascistic and Marxist democratic.
Had populists like pre-woke Bernie or Tulsi won, dems may have gone in a different direction, and the party may be purging itself of fascists like Biden, the Clintons and Obama now.[/quote]

K: Liz is considered to be fascists because she told the truth... and that isn't allowed in
the GOP or TFH party...

as for Tulsi.. she was the Russians choice for the dem's.. not the dem's choice.....

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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 pm

Just out of curiosity Pete, who do you think the best democratic candidate for president was in 2020, putting electability aside and just focusing on policy, competence and character?
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sun May 16, 2021 12:25 am

K: everyone thinks the 1920's were great economically, but they weren't...
millions of "Little" people were pushed to the brink even before the Great Depression....
farmers for example... everything was great before the pandemic but it wasn't...
income still was for shit, the rise in employment came in low wage service jobs that
had no benefits..... if you think flipping burgers is a "well off job", think again...
the economy grew for a very small class and that class was the wealthy...

Trump's big reelection weapon: A remarkable manufacturing jobs boom

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/479579-trumps-big-reelection-weapon-a-remarkable-manufacturing-jobs-boom

In the summer of 2016, few believed then-candidate Donald Trump could make good on his promise to bring back some of the millions of manufacturing jobs that had been lost during the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations.

At a PBS town hall, President Obama went so far as to mock Trump’s commitment to manufacturing. “What magic wand do you have?” Obama said.

What Obama and others in the Democratic Party didn’t understand – and judging by the rhetoric coming from the current batch of presidential candidates, still don’t understand – is that you don’t need a magic wand to grow the economy. All that is required are policies that give individuals and businesses more power to operate freely and that limit efforts by inept, greedy government bureaucrats in Washington to meddle and manipulate markets they don’t fully understand.


Over the course of Trump’s three years in office, he has kept his pledge to spur economic growth by reducing government intrusions. By the White House’s count, President Trump has signed 16 pieces of legislation meant to deregulate various aspects of the economy, and his administration has slashed an average of 8.5 regulations for every new regulation passed.

Trump also championed congressional Republicans’ 2017 tax reform legislation, which cut the corporate tax rate to 21 percent, reduced income taxes for the vast majority of Americans and altered the tax code to make it easier for businesses to invest in capital.

These efforts have led to historic economic growth. In Trump’s first three years, more than seven million full-time jobs have been added. To put that into perspective, only 2.45 million jobs were gained from 2007 – the height of employment under the Bush administration – to the end of the Obama era in early 2017.

Additionally, unemployment rates in 2019 for African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanics and women were at or near all-time lows.

Although these important economic gains have been important and far-reaching, they were not nearly as surprising as the improvements in manufacturing jobs made under the Trump administration.


Since January 2017, more than 480,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the U.S. economy, following two decades of sharp losses.

In President Clinton’s final three years in office, more than 430,000 manufacturing jobs were lost — declines that immediately carried over and expanded under the Bush administration, which experienced millions of manufacturing job losses, even before the 2008 crash.

Roughly 300,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during the eight years of the Obama administration, including minor losses in Obama’s final year in office.

In terms of the percentage of manufacturing job increases, the gains made thus far under the Trump administration surpass the performance in the first term of every president since the 1970s.


And, perhaps most importantly for Trump’s chances for victory in 2020, many of these gains have occurred in important swing states. Under Trump, manufacturing job increases have ramped up significantly in Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin — all of which are key states for Democrats’ 2020 strategy.


Even more vital for Trump is the manufacturing job increases in Pennsylvania, a state that Democrats almost certainly must win to have any chance of success in November. Under Obama, Pennsylvania lost manufacturing jobs in both of his terms — more than 45,000 in total. But since Trump entered the White House, Pennsylvania has gained nearly 23,000 jobs in manufacturing, a stunning reversal of the state’s long-term trend.

It turns out that you don’t need incantations or even a “magic wand” to improve manufacturing job growth. You do, however, need public policies in place that promote U.S. businesses, instead of punishing them with ever-higher taxes, regulations, and mandates.

President Trump understands this reality, and he’s poised to reap the benefits in 2020 as a result.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sun May 16, 2021 1:21 am

K: and we see your fiction writing at its best.. it wasn't just a peaceful tourist outing,
unless you think a typical tourist outing kills people and sends hundreds of police officers
to the hospital.. over 140 police officers were hurt on Jan. 6.. it wasn't peaceful outing
and if you think it was, you are incredibly in denial....if it was so peaceful, then why
are over 400 people are being charged with crimes? including illegal entry, assaulting police officers...
to name a few of the crimes the insurrectionists of Jan 6...

Okay, let's say of those 400 people charged, 200 are convicted.
And let's say of those 200 convicted, 100 committed serious crimes, felonies.
How many protestors were there that day, 20 000...at least?
So I'd say it was about 99.5% peaceful.

Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by an officer, not conversely, and she wasn't endangering anyone's life at the time.
4 of the 5 who died were protestors, only 1 officer died, and he died of a stroke.
It was an overwhelmingly peaceful protest with some rioting, 1 execution of a protestor by an officer, 2 strokes, 1 overdose and 1 heart attack.

as for Tulsi.. she was the Russians choice for the dem's.. not the dem's choice.....

No she's a veteran, a heroine who put her life on the line for others, a populist who wants to put an end to 'nation building', 'pre-emptive' and regime change wars, look out for main-street by holding wall-street accountable, that's the only reason why corporate dems, lib hawks and the MSM 1st ignored her, then tried to smear her when she started to gain a bit of ground after exposing Kamala Harris as a fraud.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun May 16, 2021 3:25 am

Gloominary wrote:Just out of curiosity Pete, who do you think the best democratic candidate for president was in 2020, putting electability aside and just focusing on policy, competence and character?

Although I wouldn't want someone like Tulsi to be the president of a large nation, she was definitely the best of the democrat lot. When the republicans become more populist as a fixed policy, she will probably switch parties.

And Russia doesn't have a damn thing to do with any of it. They are just a distraction scapegoat for China's role.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby WendyDarling » Sun May 16, 2021 6:02 pm

Gloominary wrote:
K: and we see your fiction writing at its best.. it wasn't just a peaceful tourist outing,
unless you think a typical tourist outing kills people and sends hundreds of police officers
to the hospital.. over 140 police officers were hurt on Jan. 6.. it wasn't peaceful outing
and if you think it was, you are incredibly in denial....if it was so peaceful, then why
are over 400 people are being charged with crimes? including illegal entry, assaulting police officers...
to name a few of the crimes the insurrectionists of Jan 6...

Okay, let's say of those 400 people charged, 200 are convicted.
And let's say of those 200 convicted, 100 committed serious crimes, felonies.
How many protestors were there that day, 20 000...at least?
So I'd say it was about 99.5% peaceful.

Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by an officer, not conversely, and she wasn't endangering anyone's life at the time.
4 of the 5 who died were protestors, only 1 officer died, and he died of a stroke.
It was an overwhelmingly peaceful protest with some rioting, 1 execution of a protestor by an officer, 2 strokes, 1 overdose and 1 heart attack.

as for Tulsi.. she was the Russians choice for the dem's.. not the dem's choice.....

No she's a veteran, a heroine who put her life on the line for others, a populist who wants to put an end to 'nation building', 'pre-emptive' and regime change wars, look out for main-street by holding wall-street accountable, that's the only reason why corporate dems, lib hawks and the MSM 1st ignored her, then tried to smear her when she started to gain a bit of ground after exposing Kamala Harris as a fraud.
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I heard that there was more than 500,000 patriots attending Trump’s speech and that the trouble at the Capitol started before the rally had even marched to the Capitol. The troublemakers didn’t attend Trump’s speech and were starting a ruckus an hour before the other 499,000 plus people got to the Capitol. It amazes me when people accuse Trump of leading an insurrection at the Capitol when he told crowds at his rally to be peaceful and the 499,000 plus people who were actually at his rally were peaceful. If there would have been a Trump lead insurrection, all of Washington DC would have been taken over...for real. Long ago I posted a pic (in the what are you doing thread)of the BLM activist and the CNN reporter who ON VIDEO filming themselves egged the others at the Capitol to storm inside. But that doesn’t make sense when Capitol police, remove their barricades, open the doors of the Capitol building and wave people in. On top of that, most of the people causing property damage were dressed in Antifa black get ups, wholly different than Trump supporters.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Sun May 16, 2021 10:39 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Just out of curiosity Pete, who do you think the best democratic candidate for president was in 2020, putting electability aside and just focusing on policy, competence and character?

Although I wouldn't want someone like Tulsi to be the president of a large nation, she was definitely the best of the democrat lot. When the republicans become more populist as a fixed policy, she will probably switch parties.

And Russia doesn't have a damn thing to do with any of it. They are just a distraction scapegoat for China's role.

Yup, anybody that makes them look bad is a Russian plant.
And they have the audacity to accuse us of wearing tin foil hats.

I don't agree with Tulsi on some things, but she's more of a populist than a progressive, liberal or conservative, and that's why I like her, along with 2016 Bernie, Rand Paul and Trump.
For me, left/right matters less than populist/elitist or populist/pluralist.
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Re: liz Chaney canceled by the GOP

Postby Gloominary » Mon May 17, 2021 1:24 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
K: and we see your fiction writing at its best.. it wasn't just a peaceful tourist outing,
unless you think a typical tourist outing kills people and sends hundreds of police officers
to the hospital.. over 140 police officers were hurt on Jan. 6.. it wasn't peaceful outing
and if you think it was, you are incredibly in denial....if it was so peaceful, then why
are over 400 people are being charged with crimes? including illegal entry, assaulting police officers...
to name a few of the crimes the insurrectionists of Jan 6...

Okay, let's say of those 400 people charged, 200 are convicted.
And let's say of those 200 convicted, 100 committed serious crimes, felonies.
How many protestors were there that day, 20 000...at least?
So I'd say it was about 99.5% peaceful.

Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by an officer, not conversely, and she wasn't endangering anyone's life at the time.
4 of the 5 who died were protestors, only 1 officer died, and he died of a stroke.
It was an overwhelmingly peaceful protest with some rioting, 1 execution of a protestor by an officer, 2 strokes, 1 overdose and 1 heart attack.

as for Tulsi.. she was the Russians choice for the dem's.. not the dem's choice.....

No she's a veteran, a heroine who put her life on the line for others, a populist who wants to put an end to 'nation building', 'pre-emptive' and regime change wars, look out for main-street by holding wall-street accountable, that's the only reason why corporate dems, lib hawks and the MSM 1st ignored her, then tried to smear her when she started to gain a bit of ground after exposing Kamala Harris as a fraud.
The corporatocracy looks out for its own.

I heard that there was more than 500,000 patriots

I agree, looked a hell of a lot more like 100s of 1000s than 10s, but sometimes I omit some things, if I'm feeling less confident and/or for my opposition's sake, I know they can only take so much at a time.
I try to find stuff I think I can verify on both alt/mainstream, right/left media.
Sites like the Hill come in handy because they're somewhere in the middle.
It would be interesting to compare less controversial protests where we know the size of the crowds with the Jan 6 protest, probably some people out there who already did that awhile ago, just gotta do some digging.

attending Trump’s speech and that the trouble at the Capitol started before the rally had even marched to the Capitol. The troublemakers didn’t attend Trump’s speech and were starting a ruckus an hour before the other 499,000 plus people got to the Capitol.

I heard that and it wouldn't surprise me, I haven't explored it enough to be sure.

It amazes me when people accuse Trump of leading an insurrection at the Capitol when he told crowds at his rally to be peaceful and the 499,000 plus people who were actually at his rally were peaceful.

Right, corporate dems/lib hawks and wokies are extreme authoritarians and collectivists.
They don't believe in free speech or freedom at all, but in political correctness/wrongthink.
'Silence is violence', so you don't even have the right to remain silent either.
If silence is violence it follows committing violence against those who don't speak out against 'social injustice', is self-defense and defending your community, their underlying pretext for the Antifa/BLM riots.
They believe the group is fully responsible for the sins of the individual, unless of course it's one of theirs doing the sinning, then it's the opposing group's fault, it's all very convenient, and that the living are fully responsible for the sins of their dead ancestors.
Really it reminds me of some secularized primitive Canaanite blood feud purity cult from the 11th century BC.

If there would have been a Trump lead insurrection, all of Washington DC would have been taken over...for real.

Exactly

Long ago I posted a pic (in the what are you doing thread)of the BLM activist and the CNN reporter who ON VIDEO filming themselves egged the others at the Capitol to storm inside. But that doesn’t make sense when Capitol police, remove their barricades, open the doors of the Capitol building and wave people in. On top of that, most of the people causing property damage were dressed in Antifa black get ups, wholly different than Trump supporters.

I'm going to look into all that when I get a chance.
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