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China: a communist success story?

Postby gib » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:30 pm

It is said that nowhere in the world has communism been tried and succeeded. The clearest example is the fall of the Soviet Union. In surviving communist nations around the world today, the failure is seen in the poor economy and the misery in which the people of those nations must live.

But China seems to be a counter-example. It is communist, and the misery of the people due to oppression and human rights violations, is widely known, but it is an up and coming economic power on the world stage--more so in recent decades than in the past--and its rise is fast, becoming a competent rival to the US.

Does this mean China is an example of successful communism?

It depends on how you define "success". China certainly isn't a paragon of human rights upholders, and on that score, maybe it isn't a success. But economically and technologically, it seems to be doing something right--to the point where America is shaking at the knees.

I'm not sure how the Chinese system works, but from what I understand, the CCP implements some kind of crony capitalism, a system in which capitalists are permitted to build a certain amount of wealth in exchange for supporting the CCP or allowing the CCP to call the shots (or something like that).

I asked my sister about this, who has her masters in modern history, and she says China isn't really communist, so maybe this explains it. Maybe the reason China is succeeding so well is because they are veering away from true communism and adopting a form of capitalism (although they are maintaining oppression against their own people). It's certainly against the principles of communism, at least as Marx saw it. Marx envisioned true communism as coming after a period of dictatorial power over the people to enforce communist principles--namely, from each according to his abilities, from each according to his needs--and though big tech companies in China definitely have far reach abilities, the needs of the individual are relatively the same--food, shelter, medicine, a bed to sleep on, etc.--and allowing some to profit on the pillars of big tech goes far beyond these basic needs (but I admittedly don't know what the CCP allows the capitalist cronies to pocket, but it would have to worth the effort to build a corporate empire). If some are allowed to profit more than others (or to own more property), this defeats the purpose of the "commune" Marx envisioned as the culmination of history. In any case, if this is not communism, it is, as John Searle put it, capitalism combined with total oppression.

So is this an example of communism succeeding, or do they succeed despite introducing capitalism into their so-called communist system? And if the latter, is this a win for capitalism, or has a new monster grown out of China--capitalism ruled by total oppression?
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby Gloominary » Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:16 am

because china has an iq of 105 (canada's is 99, america's is 98), and so on, they will tend to be more successful at whatever they try to do.
china is now fascist with chinese characteristics, hasn't been communist in decades, insofar as a dictatorship can even be communist.
most property is in private hands, but it's highly regulated to protect the interests of china, especially the interests of its bureaucratic, corporate and cultural elite.
our economy is similar, but our elite are more cosmopolitan than china's and, zionist, we are at best a means to them and at worst, cattle in need of a good culling, not an end, not at all.
our elite admire china, they hate democracy i.e. populism.
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:22 am

I disagree, I believe they are still Communist and the 'success' of the Soviet Union / Eastern Civilization.

Communism can only flourish with strong Racial-Ethnic homogeneity. Chinese do not allow non-Chinese into upper-echelons of power and government.



Right now we are seeing the historical defeat of Democracy/Heterogeneity/Western Civilization by Communism.

The only thing that can combat it, would be something like excessive White Nationalism.

Without a strong sense of racial-ethnic ties, which are deteriorating in the West, the East will not be toppled.
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:25 am

Democrats-Liberal-Left are utterly defeated and refuted by China. They have no power. They are subjugates:



That is why Liberal-Left are traitors to the United States, and I call them Commucrats.
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby gib » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:35 am

Gloominary wrote:because china has an iq of 105 (canada's is 99, america's is 98 <-- HA! HA! We're ahead of you! :D), and so on, they will tend to be more successful at whatever they try to do. Does that include doing the morally right thing?
china is now fascist with chinese characteristics, hasn't been communist in decades, insofar as a dictatorship can even be communist.
most property is in private hands, but it's highly regulated to protect the interests of china, especially the interests of its bureaucratic, corporate and cultural elite. So, in other words, the CCP pockets most of the money.
our economy is similar, but our elite are more cosmopolitan than china's and, zionist, we are at best a means to them and at worst, cattle in need of a good culling, not an end, not at all. So what does that mean in terms of capitalist profit being reaped by the feds?
our elite admire china, they hate democracy i.e. populism.


Well, it definitely seems like it. Biden is hiding behind his son for all his shady deals with China. No wonder the kid does drugs.

Urwrongx1000 wrote:I disagree, I believe they are still Communist and the 'success' of the Soviet Union / Eastern Civilization.


How do you explain the use of capitalist policies in order to get ahead?

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Communism can only flourish with strong Racial-Ethnic homogeneity. Chinese do not allow non-Chinese into upper-echelons of power and government.


I think this is true of the Chinese (the persecution of the weagers might be a religious thing though). But in general, how do you figure communism requires racial/ethnic homogeneity?

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Right now we are seeing the historical defeat of Democracy/Heterogeneity/Western Civilization by Communism.

The only thing that can combat it, would be something like excessive White Nationalism.

How bout just Americanism? Hell, how but just war with China?

Without a strong sense of racial-ethnic ties, which are deteriorating in the West, the East will not be toppled.


You really think this all hinges on race? Why is race so crucial?

Personally, I think the US, along with a shit load of allies, should go to war with China before it's too late. Eventually, China's army will out power the US's. It is also an eventuality that China's success will allow them to dominate the world stage and be the next superpower for centuries. If that happens, it will be too late to just sit and wait for it fall as we expect communist nations to do.

I also get this when I try to play your video:

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Is it like that for you too?
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:42 am

gib wrote:How do you explain the use of capitalist policies in order to get ahead?

In China, the assets are still strictly under the control of the CCP, and not secure in the hands of private enterprise or citizens. This is further proven by the lack of human rights and dignity afforded to "private" citizens in China. There is no "privacy". The State owns, controls, dictates, spies, and determines most aspects of daily-life. You are not allowed privacy, nor private property. You are 'leased' power according to your "capitalistic" success.

There are no documents or institutions, as there is in the West (our Constitution) that affords, protects, or determines individual or private property Rights.

In the United States, regular citizens can sue the local, state, and federal government (and often do) and often win.


gib wrote:I think this is true of the Chinese (the persecution of the weagers might be a religious thing though). But in general, how do you figure communism requires racial/ethnic homogeneity?

Communism is premised upon the term of Community. A society cannot remain a community with distinct racial and ethnic groups in-fighting for power. This is what separates Americans into tribal-conflict, as we see in 2020 more than ever before. In East Asia, Russia, China, Korea, India, etc. they all have strict racial hierarchies. The Han Chinese are the 'elite' branch of Chinese. If you are not born into it, then you are not it, and you cannot be it, no matter your Merit. It's the difference between Meritocracy and Aristocracy. Other Communist systems, like Russia, is somewhat different, because Russians have traditionally been insecure as "not fully European" people. Thus they aspire and look-up to the French and French culture for example.


Urwrongx1000 wrote:Right now we are seeing the historical defeat of Democracy/Heterogeneity/Western Civilization by Communism.

The only thing that can combat it, would be something like excessive White Nationalism.

How bout just Americanism? Hell, how but just war with China?

Because racial and ethnic divisions will not allow a full-unity when it comes to future National interests or conflicts.

A direct physical war beset by the United States, would fail, and then the political-parties would continue to divide and blame one-another.

US is more Division to come; there are no "Uniters" on the back-burner. Nobody is coming to 'save' America from continued racial/ethnic hostility and turmoil.

The Deep State, Communists, Marxists, are all firmly entrenched and want to see America destroyed. USA is beset by enemies foreign and domestic.


gib wrote:
Without a strong sense of racial-ethnic ties, which are deteriorating in the West, the East will not be toppled.

You really think this all hinges on race? Why is race so crucial?

Because Marxism cannot be undone or defended against except with tight Ethnic/Racial identity.

Only strong Tribalism can prevent or reverse the damage done by Marxist indoctrination. This is also why there are new waves of "Anti-White" propaganda and pro-black Segregation. This is proved by these new "CHAZ" and "CHOP" autonomous zones setup by Anarchists, Antifa, Communists, etc. They want a "Black-First" area, where Blacks are the top of social hierarchies by decree, not by merit. This is a reversal of traditional "Racism". Reverse-Racism.


gib wrote:Personally, I think the US, along with a shit load of allies, should go to war with China before it's too late. Eventually, China's army will out power the US's. It is also an eventuality that China's success will allow them to dominate the world stage and be the next superpower for centuries. If that happens, it will be too late to just sit and wait for it fall as we expect communist nations to do.

I also get this when I try to play your video:

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Is it like that for you too?

The video must have been removed. I forgot which one I linked.

Regardless, it's too late. Without national-unity, any upcoming conflicts will fail and end in more friction and infighting among the two divisions of USA. Until USA is forced back together, which will require civil violence, USA cannot stop the coming tide. USA has too many foreign and domestic enemies to remain #1 superpower. The best thing Americans do is fortify and retreat to strongholds. There might be some opportunity for racial-ethnic diversity in some areas of the United States, but not all. Tribalism is coming in the USA and that cannot be stopped.

The new political populists are coming to power, and the Left-Liberal-Democrat/Communist versus Right-Conservative-Republican/Capitalist battle is going to get much, much worse.
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:50 am

Consider Marxism in the public school system throughout USA.

Diversity and Anti-segregation are forced. But recently this is being undone. Separatists are promoting "Only-black" societies, and this will cause damage and conflict in schools. Schools openly teach Marxist propaganda. How about the NBA censoring any "free Hong Kong" messages? What message does that send to children or fans of the sport? They recently wanted to remove 'Advanced' classes and courses from high schools, to promote equal-outcome and "Equity" so that minorities "feel better" and less oppressed. How about pushing Transgenderism and biological-males to compete in female-athletics?


All of this is why Racial/Ethnic-Nationalism will rise as a balancing force against Marxism infiltrated in the US school systems.

When your children are openly antagonized, made to feel hostile, unsafe, and discriminated against (positive or negative), then division follows.

And when society is pushed to the limits, what happens?


People fall back on their biological families/Tribal affiliations. Those who are racially/ethnically mixed will be pushed-out of 'purist' identities and made to feel even more alien/divided.
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:17 pm

gib wrote:Does this mean China is an example of successful communism?

It depends on how you define "success".

It more depends on how you define "communism".

I think China's growth is an example of the success of opportunism combined with authoritarianism. That seems an obvious success combination - no surprise.

And none of it has to do with capitalist vs socialist economics.
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Re: China: a communist success story?

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:34 pm

gib wrote:
Gloominary wrote:because china has an iq of 105 (canada's is 99, america's is 98 <-- HA! HA! We're ahead of you! :D), and so on, they will tend to be more successful at whatever they try to do.
Does that include doing the morally right thing?

Right, moral iQ, if you will, is something else, or else there'd be no smart sociopaths.
iQ isn't everything, it doesn't measure all, most or even many cognitive and perceptual abilities.
Of course culture matters too, and health.
The Chinese life expectancy is still lower than the west's, and they're backward in all sorts of other ways, but they're catching up in many of them, only time will tell for sure.
And what constitutes backwardness is somewhat subjective and ambiguous.

While East Asians score higher on iQ overall, interestingly they tend to score a little lower than whites on reasoning and linguistic capabilities.
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