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And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive turn?"

Postby Jakob » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:55 pm


Ive always feared the show.



https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfay6a

that's when we started believing. Ive always known.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:08 pm

Jakob wrote:
Ive always feared the show.



https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfay6a

that's when we started believing. Ive always known.


For sheer inanity however this may well never be topped: https://youtu.be/5NsrwH9I9vE
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:37 pm

Well driven that point Iambo.
Well driven.

So now that leave us...; where... ?

We've got a D, wave got an I, we've got an A and a P, (...)
we've got a set of eyes.


    What sacrifice, at what price can the city be born?
    ~~~

    There are no longer “dancers”, the possessed.
    The cleavage of men into actor and spectators
    is the central fact of our time. We are obsessed
    with heroes who live for us and whom we punish.
    If all the radios and televisions were deprived
    of their sources of power, all books and paintings
    burned tomorrow, all shows and cinemas closed,
    all the arts of vicarious existence…

    We are content with the “given” in sensation’s
    quest. We have been metamorphosised from a mad
    body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes
    staring in the dark.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:27 pm

Jakob wrote:Well driven that point Iambo.
Well driven.

So now that leave us...; where... ?

We've got a D, wave got an I, we've got an A and a P, (...)
we've got a set of eyes.


    What sacrifice, at what price can the city be born?
    ~~~

    There are no longer “dancers”, the possessed.
    The cleavage of men into actor and spectators
    is the central fact of our time. We are obsessed
    with heroes who live for us and whom we punish.
    If all the radios and televisions were deprived
    of their sources of power, all books and paintings
    burned tomorrow, all shows and cinemas closed,
    all the arts of vicarious existence…

    We are content with the “given” in sensation’s
    quest. We have been metamorphosised from a mad
    body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes
    staring in the dark.


Note to others:

Tell me this isn't typical of the sort of "content" we often get from him? Some might file it under, "it's so deep it's meaningless".

Yeah, there's a vague, "poetic" message in there somewhere about the mindless media's pop culture madness/mentality that passes for WWE "entertainment".

Or, perhaps, QAnon? Or the cartoon characters that populated Trump's Capitol Gang?

It reminds me of that classic scene from Hannah and He Sisters:

Frederick: "It's been ages since I sat in front to the TV. Just changing channels to find something. You see the whole culture. Nazis, deodorant salesmen, wrestlers, beauty contests, a talk show. Can you imagine the level of a mind that watches wrestling? But the worst are the fundamentalist preachers. Third grade con men telling the poor suckers that watch them that they speak with Jesus, and to please send in money. Money, money, money! If Jesus came back and saw what's going on in his name, he'd never stop throwing up."

But then what does any of that have to do with, "Ive always feared the show."

Or

"that's when we started believing. Ive always known."

What prompted him to post it on the "Society, Government, and Economics" board? What deeper meaning [if there is one] is embedded here?

Or, again, is Jacob just this esoteric character that he plays here? Posting obscure "messages" as in the OP above that only the select few here will "get"?
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:35 am

Note to Jakob and others:

Appealing to the Audience is a logical fallacy, somebody kindly inform Lambo of this. Or better yet, travel back in time 20 years, and inform him when he was an infant.


Note to Jakob:

The Marxists tookover the US public school system and colleges in the early 2000s. We are now seeing the societal/cultural/political consequences of this loss, resulting in disaster and destruction of Western Art/Civilization/Morality.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to Jakob and others:

Appealing to the Audience is a logical fallacy, somebody kindly inform Lambo of this. Or better yet, travel back in time 20 years, and inform him when he was an infant.


Note to Jakob:

The Marxists tookover the US public school system and colleges in the early 2000s. We are now seeing the societal/cultural/political consequences of this loss, resulting in disaster and destruction of Western Art/Civilization/Morality.


With this "fulminating fanatic" there is still nothing better than this: https://youtu.be/waf46eBajkw
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:23 am

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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:19 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to Jakob and others:

Appealing to the Audience is a logical fallacy, somebody kindly inform Lambo of this. Or better yet, travel back in time 20 years, and inform him when he was an infant.


Note to Jakob:

The Marxists tookover the US public school system and colleges in the early 2000s. We are now seeing the societal/cultural/political consequences of this loss, resulting in disaster and destruction of Western Art/Civilization/Morality.



Dude, they overtook it in the 70's.

As for informing Lambo, you can't inform an automaton. You can just press buttons.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:24 pm

My point was - with these commentators, acting as if they're commentating on an actual event, the stage had been set for the current bhllephedemic. People have literally no clue about what their "news" anchors are - nor do these anchors! They know that the simulacrum they get to "inform" about is scripted by their owners, but they don't even realize that this means it's not true. They have no idea that truth exists.

Trump, who is real, represents the tearing apart of this WWF simulacrum and thus, in the minds of the CNN viewers, he is actually impossible.
That is their rage. Its despair at a gaping black hole in their own soul which the light of Trump reveals to them.

They have no love for their owners (why no one actually voted for the diaperface in chief) or for themselves but they have mostly a fear of whatever is real. Anything is acceptable to them as long as it isn't real.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:33 pm

I asked a woman at the store of she realized masks wouldn't help even if there were a virus other than an old flu, she said "yes I know but we've agreed together to wear them anyway."

The thing is the consequences of the mask are real.
Thats the power of Transcendantal Idealism taking a Klippotic turn.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:39 pm

It's so weird how Im not even exaggerating.
Human moronity is exaggerating my own old misanthropic views, or instincts actually, as even as a small child I lived in dread of the extreme stupidity and self-fear of people in public places.

In a sense it is a relief to see that none of it was a projection of mine. I was just really sharp, and fully of compassion for such weaklings. My compassion has been... waning, shall we say.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQv7Tr8HbGE


No, but you can storm the Capitol to keep it in the Oval Office. Or, the next best thing, exemplify it here.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:45 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQv7Tr8HbGE


No, but you can storm the Capitol to keep it in the Oval Office. Or, the next best thing, exemplify it here.

All of the Capitol stormers have been identified as Antifa members actually. But what's more worrisome is that it is an unspeakable crime to storm the capital but not a crime at all to steal elections. "Proof of fraud has indeed been demonstrated but it can't amount to a case, because that would have dire consequences for civic peace." - The Courts / Time Magazine

For if proof would amount to anything, how could the show go on? (WWF)

The successful layering of ignobility, moronity, weakness and cruelty is the consequence of such shows as the WWF.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:48 pm

Anyway. Since it categorically targets morons and natural slaves I guess Im just gonna (finally) sit back and enjoy the show.


Be a patriot. Wear a diaper on your face.

Why is your mouth naked?
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:56 pm

Jakob wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to Jakob and others:

Appealing to the Audience is a logical fallacy, somebody kindly inform Lambo of this. Or better yet, travel back in time 20 years, and inform him when he was an infant.


Note to Jakob:

The Marxists tookover the US public school system and colleges in the early 2000s. We are now seeing the societal/cultural/political consequences of this loss, resulting in disaster and destruction of Western Art/Civilization/Morality.



Dude, they overtook it in the 70's.

As for informing Lambo, you can't inform an automaton. You can just press buttons.


Fixed Jacob in classic chickenshit mode.

Completely avoiding the points I make here...

Tell me this isn't typical of the sort of "content" we often get from him? Some might file it under, "it's so deep it's meaningless".

Yeah, there's a vague, "poetic" message in there somewhere about the mindless media's pop culture madness/mentality that passes for WWE "entertainment".

Or, perhaps, QAnon? Or the cartoon characters that populated Trump's Capitol Gang?

It reminds me of that classic scene from Hannah and He Sisters:

Frederick: "It's been ages since I sat in front to the TV. Just changing channels to find something. You see the whole culture. Nazis, deodorant salesmen, wrestlers, beauty contests, a talk show. Can you imagine the level of a mind that watches wrestling? But the worst are the fundamentalist preachers. Third grade con men telling the poor suckers that watch them that they speak with Jesus, and to please send in money. Money, money, money! If Jesus came back and saw what's going on in his name, he'd never stop throwing up."

But then what does any of that have to do with, "Ive always feared the show."

Or

"that's when we started believing. Ive always known."

What prompted him to post it on the "Society, Government, and Economics" board? What deeper meaning [if there is one] is embedded here?

Or, again, is Jacob just this esoteric character that he plays here? Posting obscure "messages" as in the OP above that only the select few here will "get"?


...by, of all things, conspiring with urwrongx to "cleverly" put me in my place. 8)

Note to others:

No, really, help him out. :lol:
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm

See? All content goes right by him, all he can respond to is the buttons pressed - Ive learned to do that more efficiently than anyone here, or rather I've found his "tilt" button - before I toyed with Lambo he was always calm and composed in his hollowness. Now he's often freaking out. It would be amusing if he wasn't so enormously stupid, which I never enjoy.

I'm scolding myself for extending yet another warning to people who fully deserve what they're doing to themselves.
Why am I so goddamn compassionate.

Wear facecloths! Wear 3 at once. Wear them inside.
Then all will go back to normal.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:10 pm

Jakob wrote:See? All content goes right by him, all he can respond to is the buttons pressed - Ive learned to do that more efficiently than anyone here, or rather I've found his "tilt" button - before I toyed with Lambo he was always calm and composed in his hollowness. Now he's often freaking out. It would be amusing if he wasn't so enormously stupid, which I never enjoy.


Note to others:

No, really: help him out!

What content?

Instead, it's just the usual mumbo-jumbo:

Jakob wrote: I'm scolding myself for extending yet another warning to people who fully deserve what they're doing to themselves.
Why am I so goddamn compassionate.


As for this:

Jakob wrote: Wear facecloths! Wear 3 at once. Wear them inside.
Then all will go back to normal.


Yeah, if you google "face masks pros and cons" you get this: https://www.google.com/search?source=hp ... gle+Search

Reasoned arguments for and against wearing them with respect to the covid-19 pandemic.

Here, of course, most of us have to admit we don't possess the expertise ourselves to judge these things medically or scientifically. We have to rely on others for this.

On the other hand, the particularly virulent objectivists here -- the fulminating fanatics -- are less concerned with that in regard to the efficacy of wearing face masks and more intent on fitting this argument into their political prejudices in regard to the "bigger picture" revolving around such things as "the role of government" and the "libtards" and they themselves being "rugged individualists" over and above "the herd".

Nietzsche's rendition or another.

The irony here being that unless others share their own moral and political value judgments about face masks and the government, they are the wrong kind of "rugged individualist". Call this, say, the Satyr Syndrome. Or, sure, go back to the original: the Ayn Rand Syndrome.

But, for me, I am only ever and always curious as to how fixed jacob fits all of this into value-ontology -- by way of Lord Saturn, the old gods and Nietzsche? -- given the manner in which I fit it into the components of my own "philosophy of life".

Here and now.

Same for urwrongx and all the other fulminators. Taking their value judgments here:

1] Noting the distinction between a frame of mind that revolves around a "real me" in sync and a set of moral and political values that are said to encompass objectively "the right thing to do", and "I" embodied subjectively/existentially in dasein, in moral and political prejudices...in the arguments I make for it/this in my signature threads; and specifically in this thread: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529 .

2] Noting that when someone does change their moral and political frame of mind, they are acknowledging that they were wrong about something in the is/ought world around them. And that, once they acknowledge this, they are acknowledging in turn they may well be wrong about other things. Finally, they are acknowledging that, yes, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas, they might be prompted to change their minds again. And again.

3] As a consequence, what I suggest is that we focus in on a particular moral and political truth of theirs and given a set of circumstances we examine our respective moral and political philosophies.

4] Here, however, I'm less interested in simply articulating what we believe is true in the way of moral and political truths and more focused in how we would go about demonstrating to others that all rational and virtuous men and women are obligated to think and to feel the same.


Instead, the chickenshits all flock together to wiggle, wiggle, wiggle out of it time and again.

In a philosophy venue!!

You know, if I do say so myself. 8)
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:17 pm

Jakob:
All of the Capitol stormers have been identified as Antifa members actually. But what's more worrisome is that it is an unspeakable crime to storm the capital but not a crime at all to steal elections. "Proof of fraud has indeed been demonstrated but it can't amount to a case, because that would have dire consequences for civic peace." -

K: that is quite literally wrong, no proof of a stolen election, not one person who was identified
as storming the capital has been identified as being from Antifa, not one person....
every single person so far identified has been a IQ45 follower, every single one...
you have to be in complete denial of reality to even think that the people stormed
the capital was from Antifa and you know why? we won the election! why storm the
capital if we won the election? there is no reason on planet earth to storm
the capital if we won the election....


J: The successful layering of ignobility, moronity, weakness and cruelty is the consequence of such shows as the WWF.

K: the only person who is showing ignobility, weakness and moronity is you.......
you are stating facts which can be shown to be completely shown to be wrong.....


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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:59 am

Note to others:

Lambo and PK are boring communist shills.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby iambiguous » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:03 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to others:

Lambo and PK are boring communist shills.


Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, Mr. Chickenshit. :lol:
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:10 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Note to others:

Lambo and PK are boring communist shills.


K: as you have no idea what a communist is,
I don’t worry too much about your ignorance.

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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:06 am

Note to others:

Communism is dumb.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Jakob » Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:14 pm

Someone should put together a Wrestlemania with the actors wearing maks of Soviet leaders. That would actually be very 'realistic' in a sense, more so than the Soviet Union was.
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:03 am

Note From Others;

Stick to the topic - we can see and think for ourselves.
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    It's just same Satanism as always -
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    • blame each for the sins of the other
    • - until they beg you to take charge.
    • -- but "you" have been observed --
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Re: And You Wonder... "where did it take that definitive tur

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:58 am

The Rise of Culture,
The Fall of Culture,

Everybody can see it in Star Wars.
It rose to greatness.
George Lucas sold out.
And then it fell into mediocrity.


These Liberal-Leftist-Communists only represent destruction, degeneration, and deterioration.
They cannot create or build culture, only tear it down. That's all they're good for, destruction.

Look what they did with Star Wars, and there is your immediate proof and reminder of what Western Civilization is dealing with.
They want to create Jesus Piss in a Jar, call it "Art", and then cancel you for disagreeing. They need censorship to operate.
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