What do you want the one world to be?

[Ecmandu]

What do you want the one world to be?,

Government (representative) or corporate (private (one corporation running the world))?

Personally, I’d take some semblance of representation with this stupidity. I’d pick government.

Corporations will never be representative. They will be lawless. And there will only be one eventually.

It’s like the highlander series and movies, “there can only be one”

At least with government you have separate yet equal branches (as laughable and tragic as these are now)...

Corporation? Kills the whole dream entirely... kills the dream to the point that many generations from now, people won’t know the concept of representative government to give them a sense that there’s something to be morally indignant about.

This knowledge will be purged.

[obsrvr524]

What do you want the one world to be?,

Government (representative) or corporate (private (one corporation running the world))?

I think that is a false dichotomy. A corporation is not merely a corporation if it is running the world - it is the world government. And a government running the world is actually a corporation. Neither are actually republics (having public representation).

I would certainly favor representation (and far far more of it) over the current socialist and communist corporations running everything but that option is no longer available. There are no more republics.

So you are actually talking about constituting a new republic in the midst and aftermath of a corporate/communist takeover. That is a very very tall order and there is a good chance that soon you will not be allowed to even mention it.

[Urwrongx1000]

To continue from obsrvr's point...

Without Republicanism (representation of the people), there is only Totalitarianism and Ethnic/Racial Nationalism (Chinese Communist Party, which has no qualm or hesitation to subvert non-Chinese people).

Free-world versus non-free, it can be boiled-down and reduced to this simple choice politically. The West is currently choosing "Not-Free". Democrats are anti-Democracy (creating false and fake votes, disenfranchising and censoring opposition votes).



Without the Free World, Authoritarianism takes its place. Do people even have a "choice" anymore?

[Ecmandu]

You folks are being myopic for whatever reason.

The west is DEFINED by capitalism.

Ultimately, it’s just going to be a single corporation ...

Surely you can see that.

No votes happen (practically speaking) in a corporation, and no votes happen (practically speaking with authoritarian dictatorships as ‘government’)

Both of you are using the word communism incorrectly btw. Communism is by definition communal (a democracy). The difference between democracy proper and communism proper is that in communism, the system is self regulating because everyone is already a good actor. Democracy assumes there are shitheads, so they VOTE! That’s what you need to do when there are shitheads.

Communism has never been worked out on anything remotely resembling large scale.

Socialism has. But not communism.

[obsrvr524]

[Ecmandu]

:lol:

You think facts are laughing stocks?

Trump is as much a republican as China is communist.

It all comes down to definitions when it comes to money and propaganda ...

Socialism built America. Free education, highways, social security (forcing idiots to invest in their future)

Non-Obsrvr, you and I’mWrong say some of the stupidest shit on ILP...

I honestly don’t really care why you two do it...

But you both do it. Very simple.

[obsrvr524]

Knucklehead - there is the ideal, fantasy version of "Communism" that promises all good things. And then there is the real world Communism - that establishes the exact opposite (the CCP). Idealized communism is actually impossible on a large scale - not merely unlikely - impossible. And when it is attempted, it immediately becomes an authoritarian regime = real world Communism.

Socialism built America. Free education, highways, social security

Unbelievable ignorance.

[Ecmandu]

:lol:

You think facts are laughing stocks?

Trump is as much a republican as China is communist.

It all comes down to definitions when it comes to money and propaganda ...

Socialism built America. Free education, highways, social security (forcing idiots to invest in their future)

Non-Obsrvr, you and I’mWrong say some of the stupidest shit on ILP...

I honestly don’t really care why you two do it...

But you both do it. Very simple.

Let’s really sit down and examine this.

Why did the stock market reach an all time high during Covid ? Simple answer: deregulation

Trump turned us into China. We were leading the world as an example with our country ruled by fair laws and not people. Trump threw it in the garbage.

200 years of struggle to make us a country ruled by the rule of law (assuming they are fair) and trump just trashed all of it in his administration so he can get out of being 400 million dollars in debt. Trump has never not been in debt. Fuck. The guy even used his campaign contributions this year to give money to his always failing businesses!!

But let’s back up a little bit here.

Social security was set up because people are really fucking dumb. They don’t invest in their future. Social security forces them to invest in their future - better for all of us.

Big problem... that MASSIVE slush fund has been a target for many decades. Just like pension plans have always been targets. People with lots of money already say to someone who works in this field... “I’ll give you 100 million dollars if you give me a few billion dollars, otherwise, you’re out of a job”.

That’s the way capitalism really works right now.

It’s absolutely insane that the clintons and Obama are worth 10’s if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

And then comes in trump: the debtor in chief

The guy literally opens his mouth and shit falls into it, and then he swallows his own shit again.

He’s only a psychopath. Trump has NEVER run a successful business... and that’s really saying something!!! It impossible to drive a casino into the ground !!! In-fucking-possible!!!! But trump did it!!

This is your fucking messiah-in -chief !?!?

Fucking batshit crazy is what you two are on this board.

Seriously. And I’ll be very straight forward with you two, even if you both are being paid a 100 million each to troll this on Internet forums ... no sane person would take the money. You’re still batshit crazy.

[obsrvr524]

I don't think you could get the story more screwed up.

Even the communists would disagree with you.

[Ecmandu]

I don't think you could get the story more screwed up.

Even the communists would disagree with you.

Obsrvr,

You don’t even know what the fuck a communist is.

It’s not a fucking ideal dude. It’s an actual system of society that was discovered when people came from Europe to the new world in the 15th century. It really does exist.

The problem with communism is that larger populations don’t self regulate... we have crazies like you. And so we have to make laws. We have idiots, so we have to make social security.

These are your gods obsrvr...

Collect as many resources as possible without starting a revolt.

Whenever there’s big money involved, get in on the action.

Where’s the big money?

Taxes.

Social security, public contract works and mainanence and pensions.

Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars there...

What do you need to get to it?

Be a CEO or bribe government officials to either be a government official or be homeless.

Very simple.

[obsrvr524]

The problem with communism is that larger populations don’t self regulate... we have crazies like you. And so we have to make laws. We have idiots, so we have to make social security.

For whatever reason it doesn't work - it doesn't work - and that is why it cannot exist.

[d0rkyd00d]

I wonder if something like a Democratic Republic would work better on a global scale than it has for America.

When the Constitution was written, the states in existence at the time viewed themselves as independent nations. This was the compromise to ensure the new national Federal government would not be able to overpower the independent nation-states and encroach on their freedoms.

In modern U.S., this seems quaintly absurd in some sense, as no state would have the military ability to resist a Federal government imposition. No state is so drastically different than the next that it seems you are entering a completely different nation when crossing state borders.

Yet, the preservation of the independent sovereign nations in this sense seems like it would be fitting; however, obviously the fears of having an overarching global military that could squash the strength of any individual nation, just as the Federal government has in relation to the individual states, have proven valid.

[Ecmandu]

I wonder if something like a Democratic Republic would work better on a global scale than it has for America.

When the Constitution was written, the states in existence at the time viewed themselves as independent nations. This was the compromise to ensure the new national Federal government would not be able to overpower the independent nation-states and encroach on their freedoms.

In modern U.S., this seems quaintly absurd in some sense, as no state would have the military ability to resist a Federal government imposition. No state is so drastically different than the next that it seems you are entering a completely different nation when crossing state borders.

Yet, the preservation of the independent sovereign nations in this sense seems like it would be fitting; however, obviously the fears of having an overarching global military that could squash the strength of any individual nation, just as the Federal government has in relation to the individual states, have proven valid.

Alright, let’s think about this some more...

America might have survived if part of the constitution made it so that the military was a democracy as well...

For example: divided up between the states by percentage of population. Then, when we went to war, states could opt out as they see fit.

Now, as a world government, a similar principle may work.

You basically have the same coin on both sides here...

Private military contractors... or... (government) private military contractors... Because let’s be honest, the entire is government is beholden to mega corporations now. Making the distinction in this age is meaningless ... but it’s a nice illusion for the masses.

Biden obviously earned his keep honestly, so there are differences between him and other government officials. Especially trump. I don’t know Biden’s breaking point personally for ‘selling out’ - seems to be pretty high. Now he’s worth 9 million. Kamala 6.3 million.

I’d reckon these are decent people who act in good faith.

Trump was a corrupt troll working to globally destroy democracy.

But the Biden’s have a lot of growing up to do. They are still children in the Oval Office, just not petulant ones like trump.

Anyone who’s married or has sex is not close to being a true adult in this species. Those things cause envy in very animalistic ways, any wise parent models behavior that doesn’t evoke strong emotions like that in others. So... marriage and family was his asking price for his soul. Donald sold his for much less.

[obsrvr524]

I wonder if something like a Democratic Republic would work better on a global scale than it has for America.

I think that would be a far better situation than the current Orwellian agenda under way.

When the Constitution was written, the states in existence at the time viewed themselves as independent nations. This was the compromise to ensure the new national Federal government would not be able to overpower the independent nation-states and encroach on their freedoms.

In modern U.S., this seems quaintly absurd in some sense, as no state would have the military ability to resist a Federal government imposition.

All of that seems true.

No state is so drastically different than the next that it seems you are entering a completely different nation when crossing state borders.

But you might want to ask Elon Musk, Mr Trump, Jeff Bezos, and others about that.

When it comes to business it seems there are serious differences between the US States - just look at Florida's mask mandates versus California and New York. Just the differences between red and blue States seems to make a serious difference in public safety, freedom of speech, taxes, and freedoms of business.

Yet, the preservation of the independent sovereign nations in this sense seems like it would be fitting; however, obviously the fears of having an overarching global military that could squash the strength of any individual nation, just as the Federal government has in relation to the individual states, have proven valid.

I'm not sure that is the real issue.

I am sure that a real and very serious issue is corruption. A republic can look almost exactly like a socialist regime when corruption is allowed to flourish (as the US has proven). Without some kind of super extra anti-corruption method any republic would end up being merely a Orwellian authoritarian State pretending to be "democratic" (remember - "United Soviet Socialist REPUBLIC" holding "elections" - as if).

If a higher military is truly restricted by a true democratic republic - I don't think many would object. It is getting that republic to actually be trustworthy that seems the serious issue - media propaganda doesn't cut it - especially on a global scale.

I think what is needed - and actually required is more, far more, transparency. But the problem with that is that almost all of those in great power today have obtained their power and maintain their power by NOT being transparent (which is why Mr Trump scared the hell out of them).

[Ecmandu]

If by ‘transparent’ you mean:

National security threat

This is true.

Trump likes to brag about national security secrets by telling them to foreign diplomats for his ego, (which exposes our intelligence gathering means to them) which is why Biden refuses to give him briefings.

[obsrvr524]

If by ‘transparent’ you mean:

National security threat

This is true.

Trump likes to brag about national security secrets by telling them to foreign diplomats for his ego, (which exposes our intelligence gathering means to them) which is why Biden refuses to give him briefings.

You really are the definition of "clueless" -

[Ecmandu]

If by ‘transparent’ you mean:

National security threat

This is true.

Trump likes to brag about national security secrets by telling them to foreign diplomats for his ego, (which exposes our intelligence gathering means to them) which is why Biden refuses to give him briefings.

You really are the definition of "clueless" -

And you are the definition of moronic projection.

It is a fact that trump told classified information to several diplomats that allowed them to research how the US got that specific information ...

It exposed agents and intelligence gathering means.

That’s treason dude.

Trump just did it to puff up his extremely small and fragile ego.

He was never fit to be president.