The Reckoning

[Peter Kropotkin]

Peter, I'm not engaging but I'm ready. I don't see it as a matter of "stooping" to their level. In reality, we have to defend ourselves and our way of life. If Jews "stooped" to the level of Nazi's en masse perhaps they would've been better of in Nazi Germany.

Yes, and I do advise you to prepare for the worst, as no doubt you've been doing already. As for the Jews, here's from a transcription of one of Harry Neumann's lectures:

"When [Leo] Strauss met Jabotinsky, whom Strauss said he always admired his whole life, he met him when he was just 20 years old [in 1919 or 1920], a young Zionist. And Jabotinsky asks him, well what are you people doing? And Strauss says, well, we're studying Hebrew, and we're reading the Bible, and commentaries on the Bible, and we keep abreast of local developments and all that. And Jabotinsky says, WHAT ABOUT RIFLE PRACTICE?!! [Neumann snickers]."

K: and had IQ45 won the election, I would agree with Rifle practice...but let me point out,
that the American Civil war didn't solve a dam thing because if it did, we still wouldn't
fighting it in 2021... and WW2, just lead to the 40 year long "cold war" and WW1 was
simply a prelude to WW2.....and the Franco-Prussian war of 1870 is a direct route to
WW1... and the road from one war to another to another can be easily followed....

very act of violence leads to the next act of violence....which leads to the next which
leads to the next which leads to the next...... at what point do we end the insanity
of violence and begin the engagement with peace?

I find it kinda sad that we practice war and violence far more then
we engage with and practice peace....it is a sad commentary on where
we are today.....

Kropotkin

[Mr J]

Remind me again, how many militias do democrats have other than a few larping tankie communists or anarchists with their grandfather's shotgun. Sure, you got the hood rat bruthas [that can't even shoot straight] and then you have the Mexican cartels who really have no allegiance to anybody other than themselves. United States military? Yeah, go ahead and try that in finding out how well that will work for you. Same thing with F.B.I, ATF, C.I.A. , and Homeland Security.

Do you know how many police officers, state highway patrol officers, and sheriffs are politically conservatives?

[perpetualburn]

We got a former maniac ex president who tweeted a video of someone saying "The only good Democrat is a dead democrat". Also don't forget "White Power". Bottom line is, anyone who still supports that already threatened millions of Americans lives. Its beyond time to fight back and its time to threaten back. I'll kill you motherfuckers. I'll kill you.

[perpetualburn]

Peter, I'm not engaging but I'm ready. I don't see it as a matter of "stooping" to their level. In reality, we have to defend ourselves and our way of life. If Jews "stooped" to the level of Nazi's en masse perhaps they would've been better of in Nazi Germany.

Good luck... You'll only have to contend with thousands upon thousands of right-leaning veterans and active duty military who have spent the last 20 years sharpening their war fighting skills in actual war zones... That's why war isn't even on the table for democrats (it's not profitable or logistical)... The "worst case scenario" isn't gonna be guerilla warfare on U.S. soil...The "worst" is something much worse...And you'll need more than a rifle and furrowed brow.

[Otto]

The new fascist is not going to say "Hello, I am the new fascist" ( ); the new fascicst is going to say "I am the antifascist" ( ).

Freely based on Ignazio Silone.

The structure on ILP is just like the structure in reality out there.

There is the one group that is made up of many and is too stupid to notice anything at all, let alone that it is being abused and by whom; then there is the other group, made up of somewhat fewer but still many, that notices exactly what is happening and is therefore made the bogeyman; and then there is the third group, made up of very, very few, that wants to let the other two groups fight its battle by setting these two groups against each other.

And that's how it always goes in history.

Increase the stupidity! Demonize the intelligence! Divide and rule!

[iambiguous]

Indeed, it's by no means out of the question then, which is why I will defend WWIII even though he has now made an actual death threat (although, as he said before, he doesn't necessarily mean these particular cretins, but their kind. They're more or less interchangeable, anyway!).

Well, my problem here of course is that I am no less "fractured and fragmented" as a moral and political nihilist.

I have thought myself into believing that my own [mostly] liberal value judgments "here and now" are basically just political prejudices derived subjectively from the manner in which I construe such "personal convictions" as attached to an existential "sense of identity" embodied in the points I raised on this thread: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382

So, I no longer have that fierce commitment that for years I once embraced given one or another radical left wing allegiance to "the struggle".

In fact, my point is that for many here, their ideological -- at times authoritarian -- commitment revolves as much around how good it feels to be able to divide the world up between those who are "one of us" and those who are "one of them". The fact that they are on one side rather than the other is [for me] no less an existential fabrication.

On the other hand, these conflicts revolve around very real issues with very real consequences. So, one way or the other, if you choose to interact with others socially, politically and economically, there's just no getting around the need to take those "leaps of faith" to one set of behaviors rather than another.

It's just that for the objectivists here there is no faith involved. Instead, it's more in the neighborhood of "think like me or you're scum" certainty

[Zeroeth Nature]

The new fascist is not going to say "Hello, I am the new fascist" ( :lol: ); the new fascicst is going to say "I am the antifascist" ( 8) ).

Both the old and the new fascists do that, and the new fascists are cretins like you. Allow me to explain. First off, here's something I wrote early August 2016:

'Trump represents the side which supposedly hears the individual, the common man, the little man. But his victory, in turn, will represent the official statement of fact that Western democracy has degenerated into an ochlocracy, a mob rule. Again, the fact that it's a neck-and-neck race tells us quite clearly that that is imminent. Hillary represents the voice of "democracy in practice", which the Dutch Nietzschean Menno ter Braak defended against impending Nazism in 1930s Holland: failing and thereby succeeding democracy, democracy with its necessarily arising and arisen elites! For democracy is, in its conception, supposed to be the universal aristocracy, in which everyone is an aristocrat--that is, obliged by his freedom to treat everyone in a noble manner. But what is noble about the man in the street who votes for Trump, or Wilders in the Netherlands (see my "Nietzsche Contra Wilders" essay), Brexit in the UK, etc. etc.? [...] Trump represents the logical consequence of the call for the ideal democracy: fascism as tyranny in the literal sense, empowered by an angry mob. Hillary represents the logical consequence of the conservation of imperfect democracy: fascism in the popular sense of the word as bureaucracy and elitism; "corporo-fascism".' (https://pathos-of-distance.forumotion.com/t23-my-high-writings#140)

Note that Wilders, whose party shows clear signs of the early stages of fascism, has often said things like "We are the antifascists!"...

The history of the modern West is essentially fascist, all the way back to early Christianity (which was a fascist uprising against the "fascist" Romans), but also including things like the French Revolution (against the "fascist" Old Regime). The Roman Republic was essentially an imperfect actualisation of Plato's Republic, the ultimate antifascist regime.—

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The manuscript of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil actually contains a very interesting second half of aphorism 257, which says:

"The 'humanisation' of such barbarians [...] is essentially a process of weakening and mildening, and takes place precisely at the expense of those drives to which they owed their victory and their possessions; and while they acquire the 'more humane' virtues in this way, [...] a reverse process takes place equally gradually on the part of the oppressed and enslaved. To the extent that these are kept milder, more humane, and consequently thrive more richly physically, the barbarian develops in them, the strengthened human being, the semi-animal with the cravings of the wilderness:—the barbarian who one day senses he is strong enough to resist his humanised, that is to say effeminate, masters. The game commences anew: the beginnings of a higher culture are once again in place."

As recently as a year and half ago, this reconciled me with the rise of the alt-right. However, I now see that the Holocene simply doesn't have the time to wait for the new barbarians to become "humane" enough to face the fact of man-made climate change (MMCC—2200?), and act accordingly.

[Zeroeth Nature]

iambiguous, I'm totally fine with your moral and political nihilism, as long as you keep putting it on display! For that by itself already has a political effect, being a showing-forth of the Abyss! And I love how it irritates the cesspool people of ILP.

[WW_III_ANGRY]

Indeed, it's by no means out of the question then, which is why I will defend WWIII even though he has now made an actual death threat (although, as he said before, he doesn't necessarily mean these particular cretins, but their kind. They're more or less interchangeable, anyway!).

Well, my problem here of course is that I am no less "fractured and fragmented" as a moral and political nihilist.

I have thought myself into believing that my own [mostly] liberal value judgments "here and now" are basically just political prejudices derived subjectively from the manner in which I construe such "personal convictions" as attached to an existential "sense of identity" embodied in the points I raised on this thread: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382

So, I no longer have that fierce commitment that for years I once embraced given one or another radical left wing allegiance to "the struggle".

In fact, my point is that for many here, their ideological -- at times authoritarian -- commitment revolves as much around how good it feels to be able to divide the world up between those who are "one of us" and those who are "one of them". The fact that they are on one side rather than the other is [for me] no less an existential fabrication.

On the other hand, these conflicts revolve around very real issues with very real consequences. So, one way or the other, if you choose to interact with others socially, politically and economically, there's just no getting around the need to take those "leaps of faith" to one set of behaviors rather than another.

It's just that for the objectivists here there is no faith involved. Instead, it's more in the neighborhood of "think like me or you're scum" certainty

You speak to these freaks as if they are reasonable people. They have no reason, they are only full of hate. They warrant no respect.

[Urwrongx1000]

We got a former maniac ex president who tweeted a video of someone saying "The only good Democrat is a dead democrat". Also don't forget "White Power". Bottom line is, anyone who still supports that already threatened millions of Americans lives. Its beyond time to fight back and its time to threaten back. I'll kill you motherfuckers. I'll kill you.

YOU are the fucking nazi, idiot.

You're just too fucking stupid to realize it.

YOU are the fascist.



Let the record reflect that smears, Zeroeth Nature, dorkydood, lambiguous, Kropotkin, perpetual burn, all support and defend these Far-Left terrorists and traitors.

[Mr J]

Let the record reflect that smears, Zeroeth Nature, dorkydood, lambiguous, Kropotkin, perpetual burn, all support and defend these Far-Left terrorists and traitors.

Perpetual Burn isn't a leftist. I'm an actual fascist by the way, I make no apologies for it either.

[Mr J]

You speak to these freaks as if they are reasonable people. They have no reason, they are only full of hate. They warrant no respect.

Right back at you buttercup.

[Urwrongx1000]

Maybe, maybe not, but I have him quoted defending WWIII's recent lunacy.

Check this out:

I agree that the bad are the liars and the cowards—especially those who lie to themselves—, but I can plainly see this characterises you and your kind more than anyone!

WW_III_ANGRY did not make a death threat, he just said he would love to put a bullet in Zero_Sum's head. Nothing he's said suggests he'd actually do so under rule of law...

Technically, he did not make a death threat,

Yes, you need a threat of violence, you need a threat of accountability.

Its beyond time to fight back and its time to threaten back. I'll kill you motherfuckers. I'll kill you.

Fuck perpetual burn, he lost any legitimacy in my eyes.

This is a perfect example of how not to defend a lunatic.

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, perpetual_burn is part of this posse in my eyes.

[Mr J]

He was speaking about technicalities Urwrong, that's it. Believe me when I say it, he's not on their side.

[Urwrongx1000]

To me, this is simply proof of what I've said from the start. I knew these types were terrorist, treasonous, traitors, but they simply can't hide it anymore.

They are driving toward a fascistic takeover of the US. I don't want to hear anything about "who started it" though, when they clearly did, do, and they are honest about it now.



That's the one positive in this madness. At least they are telling truth openly and honestly. These are the "Nazis" that they pretend they are fighting.

It wasn't the Right who started with death threats, threats of violence, etc. It was BLM. It was Antifa. It was goons like WWIII and this posse on this forum.

These are the cancer and the rot in Western society. But now the cancer has made it to the surface, and it shows on the skin.

[Zeroeth Nature]

YOU are the fucking nazi, idiot.

You're just too fucking stupid to realize it.

YOU are the fascist.

Nope, it's you, you are the stupid fascist.

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Let the record reflect that smears, Zeroeth Nature, dorkydood, lambiguous, Kropotkin, perpetual burn, all support and defend these Far-Left terrorists and traitors.

I think perpetualburn is rather on your side, bro... But yeah, he does belong in that list in that those are all the people in this thread who aren't cretins!

[Mr J]

To me, this is simply proof of what I've said from the start. I knew these types were terrorist, treasonous, traitors, but they simply can't hide it anymore.

They are driving toward a fascistic takeover of the US. I don't want to hear anything about "who started it" though, when they clearly did, do, and they are honest about it now.



That's the one positive in this madness. At least they are telling truth openly and honestly. These are the "Nazis" that they pretend they are fighting.

It wasn't the Right who started with death threats, threats of violence, etc. It was BLM. It was Antifa. It was goons like WWIII and this posse on this forum.

These are the cancer and the rot in Western society. But now the cancer has made it to the surface, and it shows on the skin.

It's all fun or games until the United States economically collapses and the dollar dies, after that when we have 75% nationwide unemployment is when the real fun begins. Be patient you little rascal, will you?

Some of us have been at this longer.

[Urwrongx1000]

Stock market will crash within 3 months.

[Urwrongx1000]

Nope, it's you, you are the stupid fascist.

I'm not the one threatening to kill people, or defend those doing it.

You need to admit this and let it sink in, Nazi. You are one of the biggest hypocrites and liars on this forum. Take a good, long look in the mirror, fascist.

[Mr J]

Stock market will crash within 3 months.

Two years or less, never make specific certain timelines, I'm amazed how long they've been propping things up since 2007. Astonishing and mind boggling really....

[Zeroeth Nature]

Nope, it's you, you are the stupid fascist. :dance:

I'm not the one threatening to kill people, or defend those doing it.

You need to admit this and let it sink in, Nazi. You are one of the biggest hypocrites and liars on this forum. Take a good, long look in the mirror, fascist.

The fascists are the rabid dogs like you, not those who (want to) put them down.

[Mr J]

The fascists are the rabid dogs like you, not those who (want to) put them down.

Communist tears taste delicious Batman.

[Urwrongx1000]

Two years or less, never make specific certain timelines, I'm amazed how long they've been propping things up since 2007. Astonishing and mind boggling really....

3 months, gas prices are already boosting by one-dollar, and people are still unemployed through Covid

The stimulus checks will only stave off the losses until Summer, then the massive losses will occur

People are already broke and more becoming broke with each day

[Urwrongx1000]

The fascists are the rabid dogs like you, not those who (want to) put them down.

Shut up Nazi.

[Mr J]

3 months, gas prices are already boosting by one-dollar, and people are still unemployed through Covid

The stimulus checks will only stave off the losses until Summer, then the massive losses will occur

People are already broke and more becoming broke with each day

They have a few more tricks up their sleeve and don't forget about their 'Hail Mary' known as Covid19 either [that's an important part of the puzzle], six to twelve more months at a minimum.