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the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 am

people who have no idea what is in the constitution, claim that
by twitter for example, banning IQ45 is unconstitutional...
they claim that the idea of free speech is protected by the first
amendment of the constitution... in other words, the first amendment
protects free speech on twitter... and it does not....

the first amendment is quite clear as to its limits....
the idea behind the free speech clause is that it prevents
the GOVERNMENT from passing laws that prevents opinions without
censorship, interference and restraint by the government....
it doesn't say a word about private enterprise.....

the government cannot pass any laws limiting free speech, that is true...
but it doesn't stop private firms like twitter and facebook from limiting
free speech... twitter and facebook can and does do what it wants because
they are private businesses..... if they wish to censor anyone they want, it
is clearly allowed... there is no free speech or first amendment rights in
private business......

read the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"

it says nothing, absolutely nothing about private businesses and how they
conduct their business...how twitter and face book conduct their business is
their business..... they are in the pursuit of money, which means they are going to
take the route of least resistance to reach their goal of making money.....

it isn't about pleasing or displeasing a certain group of people, in the business world...
they have an expressed goal which is in the mission statement that
every business in the world has, in which making money/profits is listed within
the first 3 lines of every single business mission statement in the world...

I could be banned from twitter, (which I don't do) and I could be banned
from face book (which I do) and there isn't any sort of recourse I have in
regards to the first amendment because my banning has nothing to do
with the first amendment.. only in terms of the government banning free speech
does free speech have any sort of recourse.... the courts have over the last 200 years
have time and time again, expressly allowed free speech against any type of
government laws banning or limiting free speech...

but a business can and does ban for whatever reason they deem as
necessary because there are no laws that control their banning or limiting
"free speech"....

if you have doubts, trying reading the constitution...it might actually
educate you... to a great many things......

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Silhouette » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:12 am

The mistake of these types being of course when they identify as right - when in expecting and supporting free speech applying to private business, they actually support the left.

How about a constitution that applies to private business just the same as to government - and to any institution that has power?
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:28 am

Silhouette wrote:The mistake of these types being of course when they identify as right - when in expecting and supporting free speech applying to private business, they actually support the left.

How about a constitution that applies to private business just the same as to government - and to any institution that has power?


K: I have held that the greatest tyranny we face today isn't from the
government... it is from multinational corporations... they hold all the
cards and nothing a local or state government can do to slow them down.....

should we hold big business to free speech? yes, I believe so..
but because big business has such a death grip on government, both
locally and nationally, it will be impossible to get control over big
business... and the funny thing is how the right screams about
tyranny and completely ignores the all encompassing tyranny of big business....

money dominates everything today... much to our misfortune....

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:35 am

Therefore -
Lying and censoring opposition on a public platform is a good thing.
- Got it.

And if that is the case then what the US Constitution really says or doesn't is irrelevant. So why even bring it up?
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:46 am

obsrvr524 wrote:Therefore -
Lying and censoring opposition on a public platform is a good thing.
- Got it.

And if that is the case then what the US Constitution really says or doesn't is irrelevant. So why even bring it up?


K: who said that? please point out who exactly
said, "lying and censoring opposition on a public platform is a good thing?"
the only person who said that was.....you.....

making shit up.... as usual....

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:01 am

I don't argue with dogs about the reality of color.
Or with apes about logic.
Or people about their mental deficiencies.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:20 am

obsrvr524 wrote:I don't argue with dogs about the reality of color.


K: you don't argue at all... either you say, "THIS IS REALITY"
with zero context or you make shit up....

everything requires context... give us some context when making the
big pronouncement.... YOU ARE WRONG... or "LIBERALS ALWAYS LIE"
or perhaps, "Biden is a criminal"... again, give us context.....

for example, you claim that Jan. 6... was a "false flag" operation...
so, give us some context that this is true.......

or give me another example of some big pronouncement you have made without
context....

for example, you claim without any evidence, that the dem's have stolen
the election....but you haven't offer us any proof... because if you had
any proof, you.. the GOP, would have offered it in some court case of
the 60 court cases that were litigated over 2 months in dozens of states...

in other words, you have never, ever thought you might be wrong
(a fact to which you have admitted).. whereas I have freely admitted I
have been wrong in the past and most likely will be wrong again....

I am a stronger human being then you are.. because I am not so fragile
to think that I might break if I thought I was ever wrong....

as Nietzsche pointed out, the stronger individual doesn't need the truth to
be watered down to taste it... I can take the truth without it being
watered down to salve my delicate ego.. or as said in the movie,
"a few good men"

"you can't handle the truth"

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Gloominary » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:01 am

Do you guys ever worry big brother/tech will turn on the populist left someday the way they've turned on the populist right?
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:14 am

obsrvr524 wrote:I don't argue with dogs about the reality of color.
Or with apes about logic.
Or people about their mental deficiencies.


But he did say he doesn't support big businesses silencing other people's voices. And Silhouette appears to think the same.

I've seen leftists outright stating that cancel culture is not a freedom of speech issue -- that it's totally fine, great even.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:22 am

Gloominary wrote:Do you guys ever worry big brother/tech will turn on the populist left someday the way they've turned on the populist right?


K: and we have a winner in the completely misinformed person award....

show me me the who, what, when, where, how and why of the allege
turning of big tech/big brother against conservatives....

they have a right to make money and within that right they can allow use
to you, me or anyone else they approve of those who follows the set rules of
engagement that all businesses follow...

for example, in my grocery store, we can refuse admittance to
anyone who fails to wear a mask.. we are a private business and we can
refuse admittance to anyone for any reason..

and I must say, given the virus, I am quite ok with denying admittance to anyone
who doesn't wear a mask... that doesn't make me someone who denies anyone anything..
like denying them their freedom.. no, it allows me to survive the pandemic..
and I am good with that...why does their freedom overcome my right to
survive? it doesn't....

does that mean that corporations like the one I work for
is "against conservatives" nope, the corporation I work for hates everyone,
including anyone who works there.. not just conservatives...

and I try not to take it too personally...... :-$

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:40 am

I am not entirely sure about the idea that big businesses are not working to silence the right (or at the very least, certain voices.)

Also, there's a difference between a business choosing who's allowed in their spaces and who's not versus a business choosing what information is easy to access and what information is difficult to access.

The latter is an attempt to manipulate popular vote.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Gloominary » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:41 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Do you guys ever worry big brother/tech will turn on the populist left someday the way they've turned on the populist right?


K: and we have a winner in the completely misinformed person award....

show me me the who, what, when, where, how and why of the allege
turning of big tech/big brother against conservatives....

they have a right to make money and within that right they can allow use
to you, me or anyone else they approve of those who follows the set rules of
engagement that all businesses follow...

for example, in my grocery store, we can refuse admittance to
anyone who fails to wear a mask.. we are a private business and we can
refuse admittance to anyone for any reason..

and I must say, given the virus, I am quite ok with denying admittance to anyone
who doesn't wear a mask... that doesn't make me someone who denies anyone anything..
like denying them their freedom.. no, it allows me to survive the pandemic..
and I am good with that...why does their freedom overcome my right to
survive? it doesn't....

does that mean that corporations like the one I work for
is "against conservatives" nope, the corporation I work for hates everyone,
including anyone who works there.. not just conservatives...

and I try not to take it too personally...... :-$

Kropotkin

You're missing the point.
Regardless of whether they have a right to or not, do you fear they'll ever turn against the populist left?
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:49 am

He probably going to say that he doesn't since he doesn't believe such a conspiracy exists.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:05 am

Gloominary wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Do you guys ever worry big brother/tech will turn on the populist left someday the way they've turned on the populist right?


K: and we have a winner in the completely misinformed person award....

show me me the who, what, when, where, how and why of the allege
turning of big tech/big brother against conservatives....

they have a right to make money and within that right they can allow use
to you, me or anyone else they approve of those who follows the set rules of
engagement that all businesses follow...

for example, in my grocery store, we can refuse admittance to
anyone who fails to wear a mask.. we are a private business and we can
refuse admittance to anyone for any reason..

and I must say, given the virus, I am quite ok with denying admittance to anyone
who doesn't wear a mask... that doesn't make me someone who denies anyone anything..
like denying them their freedom.. no, it allows me to survive the pandemic..
and I am good with that...why does their freedom overcome my right to
survive? it doesn't....

does that mean that corporations like the one I work for
is "against conservatives" nope, the corporation I work for hates everyone,
including anyone who works there.. not just conservatives...

and I try not to take it too personally...... :-$

Kropotkin

You're missing the point.
Regardless of whether they have a right to or not, do you fear they'll ever turn against the populist left?


K: as I have made clear over these many, many years,
I consider the tyranny of big business/corporations being
the single biggest issue facing us as human beings....

the corporation is way, way, way more dangerous then the government
and way more in control then the government ever was... does Washington DC,
have the kind of control and power that facebook does? doubt it..
and given the nature/power of our social media, government doesn't have
half the power that social media has... I truly fear for America, not for the
tyranny of government but because of the almost unlimited power the
that big business/corporations have... that is the real power in the world today...

an CEO can wreck far more lives with a single decision then any president of the
US ever can.... think about it...

a CEO of say, Ford decides that they need to downsize and zip, 5, 10, 15, or
even 20,000 people are out of work and there isn't a dam thing anyone can do about it....

the corporation that holds my balls in its back pocket, has over 200,000 people working for it...
what happens when the CEO decides that 10% of the work force has to go to make his bonus?

they are gone and he makes his bonus... by the way, that is 20,000 people.. out of work
and on the verge of being homeless....so the CEO can make his bonus....

that is the outright tyranny that corporations have and will continue to have
until we either end corporations or we take away their power...end the possibility
of corporate tyranny...

the start of holding corporation accountable begins with actually holding the
management team accountable for actions taken in any dept of that corporation...

not too long ago, Wells fargo, I think, one of their divisions to boost profits
and increase the bonus of the executive in charge of that division, did some sleazy
and illegal tactics to boost profits... what happened? they were found out
and punished.... they had to pay 3 billon dollars to settle criminal and civil charges
from what is called "cross-selling".... but the reality is without strong government
actions, the bank would have gotten away with ripping off its customers....
if you want to fight corporate sleaze, you gotta have strong government...

we can control the government far better then we can control big business

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:09 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:I don't argue with dogs about the reality of color.


K: you don't argue at all... either you say, "THIS IS REALITY"
with zero context or you make shit up....

everything requires context... give us some context when making the
big pronouncement.... YOU ARE WRONG... or "LIBERALS ALWAYS LIE"
or perhaps, "Biden is a criminal"... again, give us context.....

I also somewhat ignore certain people's strawman lies like those.
You have to defend your little bubble of belief just like everyone else.
I am certainly not going to pop it for you.
It's the manner in which you do it that causes a lot of trouble for other people.
- not that you care.


Fortunately most others ignore your lies as well.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:45 am

obsrvr524:I don't argue with dogs about the reality of color.[/quote]

K: you don't argue at all... either you say, "THIS IS REALITY"
with zero context or you make shit up....
everything requires context... give us some context when making the
big pronouncement.... YOU ARE WRONG... or "LIBERALS ALWAYS LIE"
or perhaps, "Biden is a criminal"... again, give us context.....[/quote]

Ob: I also somewhat ignore certain people's strawman lies like those.
You have to defend your little bubble of belief just like everyone else.
I am certainly not going to pop it for you.
It's the manner in which you do it that causes a lot of trouble for other people.
- not that you care.

K: ah, more big pronouncements without context....
I have attacked my own position with far more gusto then
you have ever done...and I don't care if I "cause a lot of trouble for
other people... and you know why? People need to be "woken" up
to the fact that they don't actually hold any positions of their own...
they simply spout off whatever their parents told them or their church told
them or what the state told them or what the society has told them.....

they simply repeat what they were told.. like you... and once you
engage in some honest search for why you hold this belief or that position,
you can then hold any such position you want.... because it becomes a position,
a viewpoint you can honestly hold to.... but most people are either too lazy
or to fearful to engage in such a honest search for why they hold the viewpoints
they hold....I have done so... a lost few years but it was worth it...

O: Fortunately most others ignore your lies as well.

K: well to be honest, I don't lie.. not for any big philosophical reason, the fact is
I am too old to remember my lies... you gotta remember your lies or people will find
you out....I am simple too senile to remember any lies..... so I stick to the truth..
it takes less to remember...as far as people ignoring me... hay, its their loss...
I have wisdom to burn over here... I can wait..

beside how are the "others" ever going to learn what it means to be human, if
they "ignore" me? I engage with questions that most of you haven't even guessed at..
or thought of...

"I aim not only at what you can see, I aim at what you cannot see"

to be honest, I am so far ahead of most of you, I often have to slow it down
so you can understand....remember my goal... not to be the 5th best philosopher
of all time, but to be the 4th best.. and even to be the best.... if I can...
I aim high and I might fail like Icarus....but I rather fail aiming high
then succeed aiming low, like your do....and most others around here....

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:08 am

Look at the Communist pretending he ever gave a damn about Free Speech or the U.S. Constitution, lol!

Hypocrisy at its finest. Continue on, Commie.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:58 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Look at the Communist pretending he ever gave a damn about Free Speech or the U.S. Constitution, lol!

Hypocrisy at its finest. Continue on, Commie.


K: you didn't even get what I wrote, so you went back to the tried and true,

"I don't get what they say, so I just insult them and maybe they won't notice that
I have all the depth of a piece of paper and the intelligence of one too"

and that approach certainly allows you to skip past the part where everything
you write is simply just taken en masse from someone else, your parents, your
church, your state, your society or perhaps you have stolen from the culture you
live in? Perhaps you lack the intelligence or the ability or more likely the courage to
challenge what you believe in.....to challenge your convictions.......you are so
proud of your convictions, but lack the courage for an attack upon your convictions...

why do you hold the beliefs you hold? simple enough question.. but oh so
hard to work out....so it is easier to simply attack Kropotkin then to work out
why you hold your set beliefs... it doesn't take any great courage or ability
to attack someone... anyone over 3 can simply engage in attacking someone....

but to think about what it means to be human, to engage in why you hold
your beliefs, to engage in what it takes to overcome your animal side
and rise higher to become animal/human and then finally, totally human...

hard, so very hard... which is why you avoid it....you take the easy way out....
and simply attack people to avoid challenging yourself to a real understanding
of what it means to be human and to overcome... until you have the courage to
engage in a real attack upon your convictions, you shall always be a very small person...
launching small attacks.... in reality, you are just a small dog who yeps at people...
nothing more...at worst, you are nothing more then an inconvenience..
you lack the wit or intelligence or spirit to become anything more....

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby promethean75 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:56 am

Yeah this one used to be one of my favorites to point out. The moment a private company decides to censor speech on its platform, the right gets all upset... and yet it is the right that defends the existence of these private companies and their rights.

I think I numbered this one 43 on the list of practical and theoretical contradictions in conservative philosophy.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:05 pm

I think the only issue with this is that the insurgent (and truly treasonous) globalists allowed certain communication companies to become communication monopolies. By doing so those companies became fundamental communication networks for the public. Even though they were not publicly owned, they were still in control of the public communication method and system.

They have done the same with the education system and their unions - giving them control over young minds who become older decision makers (the Eric Swalwells).

They changed the laws to allow for domination of a very critical infrastructure pinion, especially to any democracy - information flow and education - propaganda.

In effect, they went around the US First Amendment to defeat its intent by altering the safeguard laws while no one was paying attention. SCOTUS should have been brought in but they had already been corrupted too.

Now they are in the position of being able to literally hypnotize the entire population through subtle messaging - "virtue signaling" (while keeping the reasoning - the "consciousness") silent. Words are forbidden or used to propagate attitudes, desires, and incentives - manipulation of a population. They create hatred or love wherever they want it applied.

Half of the population can never know why they hate so much because those who could reason it out accurately are never heard.

The USA is truly a Zombie nation now. And controlled by globalists authoritarians - both corporate and political.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:15 pm

And what did they do when Conservatives and Republicans were ready to abandon Twitter and move out?

They banned Parler.

Are you fucking kidding me??? You liberal-left-commies have no more excuses, and no more counter-arguments. Just admit that you're fascists and be done with it.


Nazi-hating Nazis.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Silhouette » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:33 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:Therefore -
Lying and censoring opposition on a public platform is a good thing.
- Got it.

And if that is the case then what the US Constitution really says or doesn't is irrelevant. So why even bring it up?

Literally nobody said this or anything like this.

obsrvr524 wrote:I don't argue with dogs about the reality of color.
Or with apes about logic.
Or people about their mental deficiencies.

I thought it was your MO to try and apply this to others, but you seem to be trying quite hard to show it applies to you.

Now would be a great time to remind us all that you're just succumbing to your own "bubble of belief". You specifically, without dilluting it to the general case of everyone equally to take the focus away from the person it's most clearly applying to right now. You don't have do to this - I respect your freedom of speech, I'm just giving you the opportunity to be as openly intellectually honest as you ought to be.

Magnus kindly puts you straight in his above post, just like PK also did, thank you Magnus and PK.

Gloominary wrote:Do you guys ever worry big brother/tech will turn on the populist left someday the way they've turned on the populist right?

This is one of the primary concerns of the left - to figure out how to organise big brother/tech so that it isn't either in the hands of government or private business, but in the hands of the people themselves.

People have already begun integrating themselves with technology to an extent, and much of this technology already operates without our awareness and in ways that private business or government are deciding - e.g. phones and the internet in general. They already feed back information to us in ways decided by these bodies, but just imagine what could happen once technology feeds back information even more directly to our brains. We could essentially become puppets without even realising we have strings. It won't just be freedom of speech that will be destroyed here, when we are unknowingly speaking and even thinking the sentiments of our private or public owners.

This cannot be allowed to happen - ownership MUST be entirely devolved from the level of whoever has the capital to the level of everyone in society. This is all Capitalism -> Socialism means, and anybody who tells you that it's just a move to more centralised Authoritarianism is straight up lying to you. The name itself should be perfectly clear that it's a movement of power to the people, and if there's any argument that devolving ownership to everyone is impossible, then this is already a capitulation to government or private businesses literally owning your mind. Best of luck to them (i.e. their owners).

From the other thread that presumably inspired this one:

Silhouette wrote:In US Corporate law there is such a thing as "Corporate Personality", which grants corporations the status of being their own person with a "legal personality" separate even from the individual capitalists and workers within the corporation.

As such, corporations themselves are protected by the First Amendment of the US constitution, allowing them their own freedom of speech. If Twitter does not wish to exercise this right in line with the speech of one of its users, it doesn't have to. In just the same way, one person cannot force a second person to speak for them in line with the freedom of speech of the first person, if the second person doesn't want to. The freedom of speech of the second person must be respected, leaving the first person the only option of finding their own free means of speaking.

So yeah, Twitter's freedom of speech is perfectly in line with the US constitution when they don't want their users saying certain things in line with Twitter's freedom of speech.
The user is free to find any way to speak that they like, that doesn't violate the freedom of speech of any other persons.
If a user insists on using Twitter to express themselves in a way that Twitter doesn't want to express itself, then it's actually the user who is violating the First Amendment rights of another person. Trump would thereby be violating the First Amendment of the US constitution.

To anyone who doesn't want private companies being unconstrained by the same constitution that restricts the government, then join the left and stop supporting private sector getting away with whatever they like. Do it, I know you won't.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Gloominary » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:45 pm

K: as I have made clear over these many, many years,
I consider the tyranny of big business/corporations being
the single biggest issue facing us as human beings....

the corporation is way, way, way more dangerous then the government
and way more in control then the government ever was...

On its own, the corporation can't legally restrict, detain and execute you, government can, all the corporation can do is refuse to serve you.

does Washington DC,
have the kind of control and power that facebook does? doubt it..

Don't you find it odd big brother, big tech and MSM aren't concerned about the far left, only the far right?
Why would big tech, and so many corporations, care about politics at all?
Why would they tend to side with the left against the right?
Do you really think it's because corporations, which practice slave labor in 3rd world countries, care?
They don't.

Government and the military works together with big tech, MSM and megacorporations.
Government subsidizes them, and in turn, corporations are loyal to government.
They work for each other and not for us, you cannot separate government from corporations and say, one is good, or at least a lot better than the other, they both work in tandem to screw us over.

These days, the corporate state has been more afraid of the populist right than the populist left, just because the populist right has been gaining far more ground with the people than the populist left.
The populist right tends to be anti-war, libertarian and nationalist, the corporate state is pro-war, globalist and authoritarian.
The corporate state is opposed to some factions of the right, just as they're opposed to some factions of the left, they opportunistically co-opt and exploit both left and right, they use what works for them, and discard what doesn't.

and given the nature/power of our social media, government doesn't have
half the power that social media has... I truly fear for America, not for the
tyranny of government but because of the almost unlimited power the
that big business/corporations have... that is the real power in the world today...

Government has far more power than social media has, government has power over every aspect of life, social media only has power over one, altho it's an important one.

Do you fear social media censoring the, whatever you want to call it, the alt, far or populist left at all?

we can control the government far better then we can control big business

We have some control over big business, we are free to work for them, buy their products, or not.
It's not perfect, but we have some control over them, just as we have some control over government.
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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:06 pm

K: as I have made clear over these many, many years,
I consider the tyranny of big business/corporations being
the single biggest issue facing us as human beings...."

G: the corporation is way, way, way more dangerous then the government
and way more in control then the government ever was...[/quote]
On its own, the corporation can't legally restrict, detain and execute you, government can, all the corporation can do is refuse to serve you.

K: a corporation can get you tossed into jail... but that really isn't the whole of the entire
corporate world domination of you or me or all of us.....

for example are you aware that of car companies, there are only 6 in the whole world,
of breakfast cereals there are only 5 breakfast companies, and of media corporations,
that there are only 6 who own 95% of all media in America....that over 100 corporations
that make a billion or more in profits, don't pay taxes including Amazon...

you whine about big tech and fail to mention the entire corporate mess that
dominates America....big tech/media isn't isolated and separate from the other
companies, they are part of them and the right wing appeasement of corporate
America has caused in large part the power of big tech.....

the right wing has cheered when the corporation was give the right of a
person... that decision alone has dramatically changed the corporate landscape....

that moscow Mitch held up the entire stimulus package to give corporations
legal immunity from lawsuits stemming from covid....

the right wing has catered to the big corporations and big tech and now you whine
because it isn't doing your bidding....tough shit... what about when the left
complained bitterly about the corporate welfare given to big business during the
last tax cuts... which caused most people who make less then 75,000 a year
taxes to go UP but hay, the wealthy and corporations got their big tax cuts...

in fact, the entire of the big tech/media domination lies at the right wing feet...

you gave them tax breaks and rewrote entire sections of law to allow them to happen....

you can't give big business and big tech all the tools to dominate America
and then whine when they use it against you.... what did you think was going to
happen? no, I have fought against big business and that includes big tech
but the right keeps on giving them handouts and corporate welfare
and the power over our lives.....

you want to blame someone, trying blaming the face in the mirror...

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Re: the free speech big lie...

Postby Gloominary » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:37 pm

PK: the right wing has cheered when the corporation was give the right of a
person... that decision alone has dramatically changed the corporate landscape....

Not all rightwingers are the same, some are against corporate welfare, tax loopholes and the personizing of corporations across the board, not just when it suits them, rightwingers like Maxime Bernier in Canada and Rand Paul.
They're also against fractional reserve banking, regime change wars and all forms of social control, whether it's leftwing social control, or rightwing.
They're libertarians, not crony capitalists.
At times, even tho they disagree on some things, they've made allies with the populist left.
Some are also ardent nationalists, and sometimes their nationalism precedes their libertarianism.
They adopt immigration reduction and protectionist policies, which aren't strictly libertarian.
Altho they're reluctant to increase regulations or taxes, some're at least willing to prevent multinationals from doing business within their jurisdiction, if they believe the multinational will be corrupt or exploitive.
Some aren't entirely opposed to increasing taxes or regulations, but believe they should be implemented at the local level more.
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