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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:22 pm

phoneutria wrote:democrat and ideals and anarchism are polar opposites dude
democrats are for absolute state
anarchism is no state

That's besides the point.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:22 pm

You ever heard the expression, ordo ab chao?
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Re: Predictions.

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:49 pm

just think you're mistaken on what your conception
of what the republican/conservative party is
it is not the party of law and order
it is the party of small government
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Re: Predictions.

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03 pm

phoneutria wrote:democrat and ideals and anarchism are polar opposites dude
democrats are for absolute state
anarchism is no state

The word "democrat" is the opposite of central authority - socialism. But you are right in that those called "Democrats" are in reality the party of authoritarianism.

What you might be missing is that in order to establish authoritarianism, the prior state (constitutionalism) must be utterly destroyed. That is where the anarchism come in - supported by the Democrat/Socialists. It is a precursor to the demand for more strict and broad authority (I thought you said you read Karl Marx :-? ) - "Never let a crisis go to waste" - and if there isn't one handy - create one.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:21 pm

you both seem to be under the impression
that any disruption of the current order
can be called anarchism
by that definition a military coup could be called anarchism
any form of revolution could
i guarantee you that you are incorrect
anarchism is a political philosophy
in which there is no centralized state
the marxist utopia is anarchic
given that theorizes that the state would wither away
though the reader is left to wonder how that might come to happen
after granting absolute authority to the state
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:26 pm

phoneutria wrote:just think you're mistaken on what your conception
of what the republican/conservative party is
it is not the party of law and order
it is the party of small government

By law and order, I just mean they uphold the law, they defend the people and their government from rioters and terrorists.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:43 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:If violence does break out, let's remember who started it, establishment dems and their goons started it by rioting and terrorizing for 7 months last year.

No citizen borderline thought criminal, whatever happens started with the conservative White supremacists electing Donald Trump as president, you cannot call peaceful protests rioting or terrorism because that's simply racist. They were displays of the voiceless being unheard and now with chairman Joe Biden or chairwoman Kamala Harris in power they'll finally be heard where we will target racist White America once and for all. We have a real opportunity for crushing Whiteness here. 8) :-$

The tragicomedic thing is, we know that's exactly how many of them think. :lol:
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:52 pm

Perhaps the real reason for the Antifa-BLM riots-terrorism was to send reps and the courts a message.
Assuming, or presuming dems did steal the election, the message could've been: If you don't let us get away with what we're about to do several months from now, that is steal the election, we'll deploy Antifa-BLM again next time to completely tear down the country as well as go after the judges responsible for calling us on our election fraud.
I mean that's what terrorism does in general: you don't think, support and vote democrat, you get more terrorism, so even if they didn't commit terror for that specific reason, in general that's what terror gives them, more power.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:12 pm

Gloominary wrote:By law and order, I just mean they uphold the law, they defend the people and their government from rioters and terrorists.


both sides have law abiding people
and rioters
this is a generalization
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:16 pm

phoneutria wrote:
Gloominary wrote:By law and order, I just mean they uphold the law, they defend the people and their government from rioters and terrorists.


both sides have law abiding people
and rioters
this is a generalization

It's a good generalization.
Trump and at least in the modern era, red states uphold law and order, blue states don't, when politically expedient.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:19 pm

I think it's safe to say that in modern America, the left riots more than the right, and reps have always upheld law and order, dems sometimes didn't.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:28 pm

Gloominary wrote:The tragicomedic thing is, we know that's exactly how many of them think. :lol:


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Re: Predictions.

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:55 pm

Gloominary wrote:
phoneutria wrote:
Gloominary wrote:By law and order, I just mean they uphold the law, they defend the people and their government from rioters and terrorists.


both sides have law abiding people
and rioters
this is a generalization

It's a good generalization.
Trump and at least in the modern era, red states uphold law and order, blue states don't, when politically expedient.


no it's a shit generalization
because as all generalizations
it says nothing about the world
it only says something about you
so you lean republican
and then your perception will shift
to see the republicans as the good guys
you'll gloss over and minimize evidence
that is contrary to that
and you'll exaggerate evidence
that shows the other side as the bad guys
it does not do anyone any service
it doesn't further anything other than division
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:57 pm

phoneutria wrote:no it's a shit generalization
because as all generalizations
it says nothing about the world

You're sticking your head in the sand on this, that's on you.
You've got some major epistemological issues I don't have the time or energy to deal with.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:06 pm

all i'm saying
is that the people
who are actually seeing it objectively
can only watch
as the two sides continue on
on this same line of argumentation
as you are
yelling at each other
like it's the fucking special olympics
even if you win the medal
you're still retarded
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:35 pm

Before Trump leaves, if rightwing protests break out all across the country, if many of them get ultraviolent, regardless of whose fault it is, conservatives, and/or leftwing counter-protestors, they could compel Trump, rightly, or wrongly, to declare martial law, perhaps delaying Biden's appointment.
Declaring martial could make things even worse in the long run, civil unrest could escalate, all hell might break loose.
Trump could try using martial law and the powers it gives him, to declare war on his enemies, declaring some democrats, or the democratic party itself, to be domestic terrorists, easier to do if dems were to aid and abet Antifa-BLM and other far-left groups in armed conflicts with (far-)right groups.
This could be a way for him to retain power for some time, maybe even permanently.
Perhaps this is what he and his closest allies have been plotting all along, just thorwin' that out there.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:45 pm

Gloominary wrote:Before Trump leaves, if rightwing protests break out all across the country, if many of them get ultraviolent, regardless of whose fault it is, conservatives, and/or leftwing counter-protestors, they could compel Trump, rightly, or wrongly, to declare martial law, perhaps delaying Biden's appointment.
Declaring martial could make things even worse in the long run, civil unrest could escalate, all hell might break loose.
Trump could try using martial law and the powers it gives him, to declare war on his enemies, declaring some democrats, or the democratic party itself, to be domestic terrorists, easier to do if dems were to aid and abet Antifa-BLM and other far-left groups in armed conflicts with (far-)right groups.
This could be a way for him to retain power for some time, maybe even permanently.
Perhaps this is what he and his closest allies have been plotting all along, just thorwin' that out there.


Nope, Trump is done, virtually all segments of the government are against him now including the military which should surprise nobody concerning the military industrial corporations where they get their money from. If martial law is declared it will be by democrats for democrats to which I believe they'll reign down national terror on all opposition to them. There's also the vaccine angle and that has yet to present itself into how that will come into play, my best guess is that under martial law there won't be any need of pretense for individual human rights where that would be the time they would make it mandatory for everybody.

Regardless of the vaccines any future martial law will be utilized to terrorize conservatives and traditional White America along with the republican party, we've reached the point where we no longer have to pretend we're a democracy or a republic anymore. Also, a weakened United States engulfed in a national civil war is good for China, at least in the immediate beginning anyways. [Until whatever victor comes out of that national conflict to pose a threat to them once again, that is unless the Chinese co-op it for themselves which is another possibility.]
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:58 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Before Trump leaves, if rightwing protests break out all across the country, if many of them get ultraviolent, regardless of whose fault it is, conservatives, and/or leftwing counter-protestors, they could compel Trump, rightly, or wrongly, to declare martial law, perhaps delaying Biden's appointment.
Declaring martial could make things even worse in the long run, civil unrest could escalate, all hell might break loose.
Trump could try using martial law and the powers it gives him, to declare war on his enemies, declaring some democrats, or the democratic party itself, to be domestic terrorists, easier to do if dems were to aid and abet Antifa-BLM and other far-left groups in armed conflicts with (far-)right groups.
This could be a way for him to retain power for some time, maybe even permanently.
Perhaps this is what he and his closest allies have been plotting all along, just thorwin' that out there.


Nope, Trump is done, virtually all segments of the government are against him now including the military which should surprise nobody concerning the military industrial corporations where they get their money from. If martial law is declared it will be by democrats for democrats to which I believe they'll reign down national terror on all opposition to them. There's also the vaccine angle and that has yet to present itself into how that will come into play, my best guess is that under martial law there won't be any need of pretense for individual human rights where that would be the time they would make it mandatory for everybody.

Regardless of the vaccines any future martial law will be utilized to terrorize conservatives and traditional White America along with the republican party, we've reached the point where we no longer have to pretend we're a democracy or a republic anymore. Also, a weakened United States engulfed in a national civil war is good for China, at least in the beginning anyways. [Until whatever victor comes out of that national conflict to pose a threat to them once again, that is unless the Chinese co-op it for themselves which is another possibility.]

I think you're right, Trump is probably done.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:03 am

Gloominary wrote:I think you're right, Trump is probably done.


They've got him locked in the Whitehouse only to let him out from time to time to make surrender speeches for his political base, not to mention also that they have removed his ability to communicate on the internet. Yes, he's definitely done, it's over.

What will come next is mock courts and tribunals against him along with his entire family, not to mention also political allies, or a handful of his rebellious political followers. The aim of the public mock trials will be to show to the average American that resistance is futile, we can dispose a sitting president if we want to, and if you insist on keep fighting we'll make targeted examples out of you as well.
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Re: Predictions.

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:41 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:I think you're right, Trump is probably done.


They've got him locked in the Whitehouse only to let him out from time to time to make surrender speeches for his political base, not to mention also that they have removed his ability to communicate on the internet. Yes, he's definitely done, it's over.

What will come next is mock courts and tribunals against him along with his entire family, not to mention also political allies, or a handful of his rebellious political followers. The aim of the public mock trials will be to show to the average American that resistance is futile, we can dispose a sitting president if we want to, and if you insist on keep fighting we'll make targeted examples out of you as well.

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Re: Predictions.

Postby phoneutria » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:29 pm

btw dude
you're the one with the major epistemological issues
i'm merely pointing them out
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