The New Dark Age Philosophy

[Meno_]

From my frame of mind, there are two "dark ages".

The first revolves around an era in which God ruled. Anyone who attempted to take human interaction and human understanding of the world around us to a place where God was not the center of the universe was, well, dealt with.

Then came the enlightenment. And an explosion of scientific knowledge. And then mercantilism. And then capitalism. With capitalism came an explosion of philosophical premises that revolved less and less around God and more and more around sustaining a moral and political "superstructure" -- a government, a state -- that aided and abetted those who were all about "show me the money".

Also, the enlightenment brought into existence this thing called "natural rights". What "natural rights" do human beings have? In relationship to the state? In relationship to each other other? Revolving around such things historically as race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, social justice, etc.

And, now, this thread. And this new Dark Age.

Trust me: In regard to moral and political value judgments, it revolves entirely around thinking exactly like obsrvr524 does. If you don't you are part of the new Dark Age philosophy.

Unless of course I'm wrong.

So, sure, if it is not his intent to examine our own age as other than one of our many right wing "fulminating fanatics", I challenge him to note a particular context and to explore with me his own distinction between an enlightened and a dark age frame of mind.

Others here who share his views: same challenge.

Unless he wishes to rise above the either/or sourced communication implicit in himself, .....

[obsrvr524]

You both might want to go back a page and review Part 2.

[iambiguous]

if you can't pass your values over to your children
despite state/society interference
you've failed as a parent

Right, like the values we seek to pass on to the next generation were not as a result of being brainwashed and indoctrinated as children by the previous generation.

And as though our own values are not deeply rooted in turn in the particular world that we were "thrown" into historically, culturally, experientially, circumstantially, interpersonally. And were not in turn derived from our own unique set of experiences, relationships and access to ideas.

Instead, once again, she basically shares the assumptions of the right wing fulminating fanatics here about "the government" hell bent on taking away their sacred "rugged individualist" rights.

The same cartoon character assessment of the world around us ever and always distinguishing "one of us" [the good guys] from "one of them" [the bad guys].

Exchanges on this thread then become like secret handshakes between those who get what is really going on in the world and those who don't.

Then it just becomes a matter of how close or how far they get from, say, the Nazis or the Proud Boys or the QAnon clowns.

Or, sure, she can bring her own sacred sense of self down out of the clouds and explore it with me given my own areas of interest. Along with hers.

[iambiguous]

From my frame of mind, there are two "dark ages".

The first revolves around an era in which God ruled. Anyone who attempted to take human interaction and human understanding of the world around us to a place where God was not the center of the universe was, well, dealt with.

Then came the enlightenment. And an explosion of scientific knowledge. And then mercantilism. And then capitalism. With capitalism came an explosion of philosophical premises that revolved less and less around God and more and more around sustaining a moral and political "superstructure" -- a government, a state -- that aided and abetted those who were all about "show me the money".

Also, the enlightenment brought into existence this thing called "natural rights". What "natural rights" do human beings have? In relationship to the state? In relationship to each other other? Revolving around such things historically as race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, social justice, etc.

And, now, this thread. And this new Dark Age.

Trust me: In regard to moral and political value judgments, it revolves entirely around thinking exactly like obsrvr524 does. If you don't you are part of the new Dark Age philosophy.

Unless of course I'm wrong.

So, sure, if it is not his intent to examine our own age as other than one of our many right wing "fulminating fanatics", I challenge him to note a particular context and to explore with me his own distinction between an enlightened and a dark age frame of mind.

Others here who share his views: same challenge.

Unless he wishes to rise above the either/or sourced communication implicit in himself, .....

Name/note a context and let's explore that.

[iambiguous]

You both might want to go back a page and review Part 2.

Again:

Trust me: In regard to moral and political value judgments, it revolves entirely around thinking exactly[ like obsrvr524 does. If you don't you are part of the new Dark Age philosophy.

Unless of course I'm wrong.

So, sure, if it is not his intent to examine our own age as other than one of our many right wing "fulminating fanatics", I challenge him to note a particular context and to explore with me his own distinction between an enlightened and a dark age frame of mind.

You name the set of circumstances.

[Urwrongx1000]

Here's a context and circumstance:

[obsrvr524]

Part 2

In considering this topic and having skipped reading George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four novel at university, I took the time to watch the 1952 and 1954 versions of the movie. Then I watched the following debate on whether the novel Brave New World or Nineteen Eighty Four was a better prescient reflection on today's world as presented by Intelligence^2.

I think if you skip up to minute 44 thru 1:10 when Adam Gopnik presents a very interesting case for Orwell's emphasis on the strategies Big Brother was/is using - the how and why. I found it particularly interesting that he mentions Mr Trump and reveals that he has in fact been a victim within the narrative he is explaining - "up is down - good is evil..." -


Has anyone observed (besides me) how much of those strategies have been ubiquitous on this very ILP board - and who the players have been?

Earlier in the debate Will Self explains the strategies expressed in Huxley's Brave New World -materialism, consumerism,...

I think it best to consider the strategies overhead and underfoot before choosing the philosophy moving forward and the course to take.

More to come in Part 3 -

Before continuing to Part 3, I thought it better to address this thread - The Relevance of Truth

[iambiguous]

Before continuing to Part 3, I thought it better to address this thread - The Relevance of Truth

How about addressing this before moving on...

You both might want to go back a page and review Part 2.

Again:

Trust me: In regard to moral and political value judgments, it revolves entirely around thinking exactlylike obsrvr524 does. If you don't you are part of the new Dark Age philosophy.

Unless of course I'm wrong.

So, sure, if it is not his intent to examine our own age as other than one of our many right wing "fulminating fanatics", I challenge him to note a particular context and to explore with me his own distinction between an enlightened and a dark age frame of mind.

You name the set of circumstances.

[MagsJ]

Here's a context and circumstance:

Vile!

[obsrvr524]

Part 2.1 -

Since we can't really address the rest of this issue without considering the following post and it is largely ignored on the Philosophy forum, I'll repost it here -

The Relevance of Truth

I thought it best to address this before continuing with the thread The New Dark Age Philosophy

Now that the greatest single experiment in all of mankind has come to a close – that of the global contest between truth of reality and public deception – and we see now that across the world in the final battle it is deception that reigns supreme, we have to give credit and consideration as to whether actual truth should ever be of concern.

Knowing that the victor will most often be the liar (proven world over by politics), is it properly loving of parents to teach their children to try to be honest? If we know that such a philosophy as "honesty is the best policy" will cause our children to be losers and possibly crushed by their competition in life should we, with their best interest at heart, teach such a failed life policy?

When we think about it, among the trillions of living creatures on the planet, not one ever actually knows the real truth of their situation. Humans come closer than other creatures, but after thousands of years struggling with trying to know and promote truth only to have it revealed as the weaker position to take, why continue to promote it as a philosophy?

Now world over there will be a "truth narrative" spread that is to be adhered to along with dire consequences for any who attempt to reveal or even privately believe any actual truth. So why fight it?

And additionally what if the real truth is that it isn't even wise to know the real truth at all? That has been often proposed throughout history it seems.

• In the long run actual truth fails to protect against competition
• Teaching our children to be honest ensures their weakness
• The world governance demands compliance with a preferred truth narrative
• Perhaps knowing actual truth is not healthy or wise
• Deception seems to be the basis of all life from birth to death

Those sound like good reasons to wisely choose to ignore actual truth and accept whatever lie best suits the situation – to be willing to tell one lie and then the very next day alter to another, possibly even the opposite of the first, and simply deny any wrong doing at all times. Is lying to even be considered "wrong doing"? Many on this board and throughout politics don't seem to think so.

Is it wiser to just accept and promote with just a sprinkle of truth whatever lie seems to be the need at the time even while believing that the apparent "need at the time" is probably itself a lie? Possibly "just go along to get along" is the wiser choice?

Is the real truth that the real truth is irrelevant and its pursuit unwise?

My god I have been suckered into becoming a philosopher – my wife's going to kill me.

In choosing a "best philosophy moving forward" the decision to attempt to stick with and defend the "truth of reality" is fundamental. The victor world over has been now proven to be deception over real truth (The Devil won the war - again). So it is critical to decide if the real truth should be a part of a general philosophy for dealing with life after authoritarian globalization.

[obsrvr524]

I think the conversations are straying from the issue here. For those who have not been tracking the current real world politics in the US and across the world, let me explain something -

Right now in the real world of China people are not allowed to know of any forbidden truths. Using super surveillance everyone's speech and facial expressions are being monitored and gauged. If anyone says a forbidden thing, doesn't smile when they are supposed to, doesn't laugh when they are supposed to, doesn't get angry when they are supposed to, AI automatically assesses a social credit score to punish wrong attitudes and emotions because they are indicators of unacceptable thinking.

That sounds Orwellian but is the reality in China RIGHT NOW. And very soon it will be the reality throughout the world. The US is getting started into that socialist/communist authoritarian state right now. Across the world there is no longer any icon of freedom of thought. The war for freedom has been lost. The very near future is Orwellian and Brave New World-ish. The super rich are ensuring it.

So in reality actual truth is, starting today, forbidden. So in such a situation philosophers, authors, movie producers, talk show hosts, news outlets, religious ministers, social media speakers will all be punished for wrong-think. Words will be forbidden. Subjects of conversation will be forbidden (such as this one). Questioning authorities will be forbidden. All punishable in real world ways.

With all of that in mind it is necessary to consider what personal philosophy best suits each person in dealing with this new dark age. And as a basis it is important to consider how much real truth is worth knowing or spreading - what is the actual real world relevance of truth? - knowing it or spreading it when such actions will be punished.

[Urwrongx1000]

[obsrvr524]

Part 3 -

As the Roman empire and culture was being destroyed, creating the last dark age, it was being replaced with a series of European empires culminating in the uprising dawn of the super powers and the United Nations and a new day of world order.

The British culture had been the most pervasive of the last dawn and was that of white people – English language, Christianity, British pound, Arabic letters, detailed linear/logical thought, civil rights, systemic governance, and so on - all being reflected in the USA.

Although all of those have become very commonplace, as the new dark age gets established and those social standards are to be erased from memory it seems wise to prepare and adopt to the darkness and next dawn.

The last dark age was accomplished (having nothing at all to do with progressive manipulation (cough)) by means of obfuscation of former cultural norms (the same with Egypt and Persia). It stands to reason that the new dark age will be accomplished by the same means (apparently a fundamental principle) with an even more thorough and precise effort as all thoughts, social organizations (family, business, church, nations, laws,…), and cultural norms are obfuscated (promoted confusion, chaos, ambiguity, doubt, distrust, betrayal, denial, fear, and rebellion – seem familiar?) into oblivion.

Although in biblical terms this transition through the night and into the next day is to take 1000 years, considering the advances in communication technology, hypnosis, genetic engineering, bio-weapons, and surveillance, I think there is a good chance it will not translate into our Earthly time – perhaps only 100 years or less into the black of night and then – who knows what will eventually arise to be the next full day. So we might as well get started now so that such a dark dark age and new dawn is assured.

It seems to me that what is wise to adopt during a transition period involves how to deal with the tumultuous dark obfuscation while also aiming toward the far off new dawn culture (eventually established through fascist extortion to remove the confusion and chaos).

We can easily see what the darkness will look like. It is already showing itself in abundance – the rebellion against, cancellation of, and erasure of all current cultural norms, symbols, and beliefs – "the cancel culture" to be dominated and crushed out by authoritative rule. So the question becomes how to best deal with it. And first on that list would be to accept that it is going to transpire regardless of any resistance (it has now gone too far to fruitfully resist).

[obsrvr524]

Part 4 -

Now that the USA has died and to be reconstructed into a socialist/communist cesspool, the Nuremberg Trials 2.0 can be expected. In America any Trumpsters are to be hunted down, prosecuted and disposed of. Across the world the same kind of process can be expected for any and all conservatives and dissenters. Socialists can't tolerate dissent (that is what was great about the former USA not being socialist).

That is just the way it is.

And that leads to the concern of this thread – What is the best philosophy moving forward?

Laws and actual truth are no longer relevant in society. Societies throughout the world are going to be simply about Authoritarian Privilege – those above with the privilege to lie, cheat, steal, and let me just say – indirectly assassinate those below by whatever means doesn't often those farther above. The murder of the millions from COVID is probably only 1% of those to be killed off over the next decade or so – euthanasia and race being priorities.

Every authoritarian ruler has done the same – forcibly dispose of all dissent using any extreme that works.

So with all of that in mind and having observed the state of the world, my personal recommendation for handling the new transition into the New Dark World and distant coming new dawn is the following.

First and foremost – Purposely maximize the joy in life for as long as possible – MIJOT – proving to be a true angel of heaven. - as often as possible.

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• Those socially above you are gods – below you are insects.
• Freely submit to all suffering and torture bestowed from above and freely bestow the same to those below.
• Live solely for the deathly disposal from those above you.
• Feel terrified to be anything but openly transparent and apologetic to anyone above you.
• Feel free to deceive, oppress, or malign anyone beneath you.
• Give devotion ONLY to the proletariat.
• Submit to all injections and markings of compliance.
• Submit to all biometric and location monitor devices.
• Submit with delight to any android or drone commands and controls.
• Associate only with those of your same stature.
• Learn to bow to all people with hands clasped.
• Consume only artificial food sources when possible.
• Give up sex (only with same sex if unavoidable).
• Especially give up children unless commanded to engage.
• Fully accept that all infants belong totally to authority for their use.
• Avoid white people when possible (the new holy race to be Orange).
• If already white, denigrate yourself and plead for forgiveness expecting no grace (otherwise hide your whiteness).
• Acquire only your most strict needs – donate all else to government or social charities.
• Learn Mandarin or Pugonghua.
• Learn to use the currency Renminbe (RBM – ¥uan, jiao, fen).
• Accept that what is said from above defines the truth - quickly adopt Newspeak.
• Accept that old truth is fiction and new truth is indisputable fact.
• Accept that real truth is evil and dangerous
• Avoid thinking – the only certain truth is authoritative truth.
• Fully accept thought police and never resist newspeak.
• Attempt nothing that isn't assured beforehand.
• Be as subtle as possible in all that you do.
• If strongly suspecting associates or family of unauthorized activity report them immediately to authorities - Don't let their behavior become habit or be caught directly by the authorities.
• If highly confident of the ability to be deceptive, ensure there is no evidence remaining.
• If already with child, teach these principles very strictly to the child for sake of their best chance of survival with the most joy allowed.
• Meditate on your love for the social order and all who serve it.
• Maintain solemn faith in the proletariat through your scheduled death.
• Hold to no beliefs, faiths, symbols, or rituals of the past era.
• Believe in no conspiracy other than that reported by the Global Ministry of Truth – by whatever name it is given.
  
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Consider nothing but the above as ethical, moral, or relevant.
Hold no concern for future events or outcomes.

Good luck remembering all of that. Self-conversion isn't easy. Perhaps a rosary would help to keep these thoughts in mind. The early Christians had to go through the same process so as to allow survival through the last dark age to help extinguish the Roman empire and raise the eventual dawn of the United Nations empire (The Israelites had only 10 but the Jews around 635 to remember ).

[Great Again]

if you can't pass your values over to your children
despite state/society interference
you've failed as a parent

Or, the state apparatus has surpassed the influence of parents in domination.

That's it. Yes. And the state apparatus has made itself dependent on money and thus consists only of functionaries of the real rulers.

[Mr Reasonable]

Admittedly, it was a huge political blunder for Trump supporters to storm the Capitol building. Granted there was Antifa involved in a false-flag operation.



However, not all hope is lost. Because it was 10x worse a political blunder for Twitter & Facebook to ban Trump, along with Democratic support. This was many, many times worse a political blunder:

tulsi gabbard is in a weird cult.

[Sculptor]

The New Dark Age Philosophy – Part 1
This topic turned out to be much too long for a single post so I'm going to break it up into parts.


Apparently there have been many dark ages in the past, each following the same process an producing the same results. Perhaps the very first could be called the calamity that destroyed the reign of the dinosaurs.

THis is not a promising start.
The end of the age of the dinosaurs is not called a Dark Age.
Dark Ages are social historical phenomena. And so I was rather expecting some reference to the historigraphical instances, which are numbered in two or more major dark ages - at least in the history of the Western World. Expecting them, not least because "philosophy" is generally not attributed to the dinosaurs.

Everything about them was soon forgotten by the survivors. After a great deal of time new regimes of animal life arose dubiously being able to claim the progressive new emperor of the new day – such as the primates.

The main thing about Dark Ages is that they are definitely remembered, in tales of heroes and myths of the golden age.
For the DA at the fall of Rome, and for the "Homeric" DA where the fall of Mycenaean civilisation let to the barbarism of the Iron Age, this is true.
No DA preceded the emergence of the primates.

Eventually there came the introduction of the human, apparently a mitochondria alteration of the reigning primates. And from that advent a new dark age began for the primates as humans organized a new reigning power and new relative "day of enlightenment" bringing about the Biblical Adam. Then Adam had his Eve and fall into the next night of darkness – the first dark age for humans.

Read a proper history book

From there the history of mankind proceeds with a variety of ages of relative enlightenment and ages of darkness. And they all, from the very first on followed the exact same pattern – destruction and erasure of the current reign – a period of chaos, destruction, and battling over territories, narratives, and power bases until a final victor of the dark night reigns over the confusion – a moon in the heavens to shed a small amount of reality across the planet – inevitably by force. Historians take note of this repeating process, begin to number them, and speculate a final outcome – a final "judgment day" – the last "day to night" step – at least for humans.

You are clueless

This pattern has been observed by many and not disputed by science or historians other than to quibble over who or what should get credit for each occurrence. It has been a notable fact of life on Earth. And I believe it is the very seed of the political idea currently called "progressive" – progress to the next dark age of destruction, confusion, and erasure from memory of all structure, culture, and thought to be followed by a new enlightenment narrative – or perhaps to the very end.

To me the all important question to be answered is what to do with it or about it. Should it be resisted, should it be hurried along, or perhaps merely accepted as fate and dealt with accordingly –

What philosophy is wisest to adopt in order to deal with the reality of this current day to night social pattern of life on Earth?

[/quote]
I'm not going to hold my breath.
PLONK

[obsrvr524]

Not everyone has the new Holy Global Truth stamped into their foreheads yet (or perhaps just tattooed – maybe a silicone implant).

Granted you talk like a properly programmed and perhaps ordained minister of the new Holy Global Truth Ministry but we can't see your headdress, staff, robs, or other badges of highness. So please forgive our worthless selves for not recognizing your esteemed nobility and shamefully not addressing you with proper reverence.

Obviously you have no need for the disgusting trait of philosophizing but I was writing this for those few deplorables who can still shamelessly think for themselves (philosophers) and envision the natural rise of the great dinosaurs that eventually experienced a cataclysmic event resulting in a true literal darkness over the Earth, a blocking of the Sun that had been keeping the smaller plants and animals flourishing and upon which those dinosaurs depended, after which those great and powerful creatures could no longer survive and died completely and utterly out – never to rise again.

Thousands of years later there was nothing remaining of them except remnant bones buried out of sight as some much much smaller creatures, surviving on minimum morels and adapting in the darkness, rose in new forms and established new reigns as if a new day had finally displaced the great darkness that fell over the entire Earth – much like a "dark age" had past and new hope was on the rise for the humble.

If the Holy Global Ministry of Truth has updated that recently, please forgive me for not having been informed.

So again, those philosophers could perhaps see a resemblance to the pattern more commonly recognized as the coming of a dark age of humanity that destroys great empires and leaves behind nothing but much smaller groups or families (anarchy) often completely unaware of the forgotten prior empires buried in the sand. And from those tiny remains rises new kingdoms, new empires, and even new mega-corporations reigning over the whole of the Earth (and nearby space).

Being able to identify progressing and repeating patterns is a fading art, soon to be forbidden but for the moment hasn't been entirely wiped out. Not everyone has been yet programmed to our Holy Global Truth. And for those few remaining it might be helpful to see just how inevitable some of these changes turn out to be.

You wouldn't want them resisting our Global overlords, would you?

I have found that sometimes the few remaining people cursed with the sinful habit of thinking for themselves need to be able to realize and think their way through their new situation and recognize the Progressive Pattern to which they must humble themselves before they can dismiss their disgusting thoughts of reality, justice, and compassion for others and finally stop attempting to think so as to gain your righteous blind loyalty to the Holy Global Truth Ministry.

Please forgive any disrespectful misunderstanding of the wisdom of Your Reverence. It was truly not intentional.

[Meno_]

"So again, those philosophers could perhaps see a resemblance to the pattern more commonly recognized as the coming of a dark age of humanity that destroys great empires and leaves behind nothing but much smaller groups or families (anarchy) often completely unaware of the forgotten prior empires buried in the sand. And from those tiny remains rises new kingdoms, new empires, and even new mega-corporations reigning over the whole of the Earth (and nearby space)."


Cannot challenge but go - yeah just go with it , never know anyhow.

[Meno_]

"So again, those philosophers could perhaps see a resemblance to the pattern more commonly recognized as the coming of a dark age of humanity that destroys great empires and leaves behind nothing but much smaller groups or families (anarchy) often completely unaware of the forgotten prior empires buried in the sand. And from those tiny remains rises new kingdoms, new empires, and even new mega-corporations reigning over the whole of the Earth (and nearby space)."


Cannot challenge but go - yeah just go with it , never know anyhow.

In any context.

[Urwrongx1000]

The United States has historically been an Anti-Classist society. But with the advent of this Communist takeover, Demonrats and the CCP working in tandem to destroy America, a new Class has appeared. The liberal-left-communist self-proclaimed "Elites" believe they are the Chosen-Ones, who must Arbitrate what is true or false, who can speak and who must be gagged and silenced. As mentioned by obsrvr, this not new in human history. It's happened before. It is happening now. It will happen again in the distant future. "Those who refuse to learn from the past are doomed to repeat its mistakes." Not coincidentally or ironically, the public US Education system removed US History and Civics in the 1990s. This generation of BLM Thugs and Antifa political pawns do not know history nor do they care about civic-duty. The know neither. This was pre-planned. The takeover is decades in the making.

Most of it can be attributed to indolence, laziness, sloth, and generally failing to maintain the core values and metaphysics of early American patriots and settlers.

Keep in mind that the Anarchists, instructed by the Democr-ommunists, tore down Statues throughout the USA in 2020. They burned cities. They burned government buildings. It was okay and promoted when the liberal-left did it. But what happened when the conservative-right did it? They threw the book at them. Not merely a double-standard, a triple-standard. Breaking the law, violating the Constitution is okay and morally acceptable, when the Communist elites attempt to takeover, subvert, and destroy America. But it is "not okay" for Patriots, red-blooded Americans, those of old stock, to defend the Republic and Constitution. White Americans who trace lineage from the first colonialists, settlers, and conquerors are 'bad' in every scenario.



You are not allowed to be 'American', according to the Democr-ommunists.

They hate America, which is obvious. They hate Trump, because Trump represents the American people.



The liberal-left-democrat-communists are driven by hatred, by jealousy of Trump. They want what Trump has, which is love of the people, and from the people.

Nobody 'loves' Biden. Nobody can stand him. Nobody even listens to him. Because if they did, the Dementia is obvious. He is unfit, and the liberals know it.

He is another pawn to push forward the Democr-ommunist agenda.

[Urwrongx1000]

[Urwrongx1000]

[obsrvr524]

Urwrong are you going to be one of the Red Dogs forever howling at the New Moon (the fake Sun)?

[MagsJ]

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Yea.. there’s so-much-more to you than that, Urwrong.