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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:04 pm

d0rkyd00d wrote:have your predictions turned out thus far? I'm too lazy to go back and read through your posts, so be honest.


I'm still sticking to my guns that the United States is on the verge of total economic collapse and even with a democratic government hasn't changed my position on that at all. I'll be laughing in everybody's faces here when it happens.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:07 pm

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Not to push your buttons too much, but why do you care to the extent you do? I mean, if you are correct, and the enemies are within, well, that's how Rome fell, the slaves threw open the gates. In a way, that's just how things rise and fall. I mean, wouldn't it be easier to accept it? Who knows, maybe China will save the planet, through technological advancement.

Let's say they aren't as much an enemy as reported, they have a bigger population, better chance of scientific genius being born, ect.


Yeah, I'm sure a Chinese dominated world is simply going to be a social political paradise for western civilization. :lol: 8)

Are you really that naive? Don't answer that question, the obvious answer is yes.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:34 pm

I don't really believe in having borders anywhere on the planet, having separate nations or separate countries. I do believe in melding cultures enough so that perhaps one language unifies everyone. Not like some happy camper bullshit, but like, hey, those lines on the map are imaginary and people go to war over lines in the sand. Silly shit.

If that is naive, then I will go to my grave a naive son-of-bitch.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:45 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:I don't really believe in having borders anywhere on the planet, having separate nations or separate countries. I do believe in melding cultures enough so that perhaps one language unifies everyone. Not like some happy camper bullshit, but like, hey, those lines on the map are imaginary and people go to war over lines in the sand. Silly shit.

If that is naive, then I will go to my grave a naive son-of-bitch.

As an example, you have a box of crayons (nice, differences, spice of life, like individual countries with borders) each a color in its own colored wrapper, then you have a pot (globalism) with a flame under it. What happens when all the colors are melted together in the pot? Does an array of colors, differences, exist anymore? How is the absence of differences better than differences itself? Your answer will show how naive and nihilistic you are?
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby d0rkyd00d » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:40 pm

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d0rkyd00d wrote:have your predictions turned out thus far? I'm too lazy to go back and read through your posts, so be honest.


I'm still sticking to my guns that the United States is on the verge of total economic collapse and even with a democratic government hasn't changed my position on that at all. I'll be laughing in everybody's faces here when it happens.


On a long enough timeline, you will inevitably be correct.

You didn't answer my question, either.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Gloominary » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:48 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:I see these people, gloom, and ur and observ and Zero
as nothing more then being Pavlov's dog... trained to
jump at certain words.... socialist, socialism, communism...

their reaction to those words are so fixed in their minds, I
don't think they can react any other way....

and by association, they have come to see democrat
and liberal as being no different then their Pavlov's words,
communist, socialist, socialism......

they are simple well trained dogs who jump at certain words...

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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:56 pm

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Berkley Babes wrote:I don't really believe in having borders anywhere on the planet, having separate nations or separate countries. I do believe in melding cultures enough so that perhaps one language unifies everyone. Not like some happy camper bullshit, but like, hey, those lines on the map are imaginary and people go to war over lines in the sand. Silly shit.

If that is naive, then I will go to my grave a naive son-of-bitch.

As an example, you have a box of crayons (nice, differences, spice of life, like individual countries with borders) each a color in its own colored wrapper, then you have a pot (globalism) with a flame under it. What happens when all the colors are melted together in the pot? Does an array of colors, differences, exist anymore? How is the absence of differences better than differences itself? Your answer will show how naive and nihilistic you are?


No, some measure of individual cultures and myth making would be preserved, as it would remain a benefit to the human race as a whole.
How that idea makes me nihilistic is beyond me.

You can be different and speak the same language, even if that language hasn't been invented yet, or implemented over three generations.

I don't know, maybe aliens have to attack us to, so that we unite for a cause. That, or the sun needs to fill the sky before we work together. Radical thought, or are just being short sighted?
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:57 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:I don't really believe in having borders anywhere on the planet, having separate nations or separate countries. I do believe in melding cultures enough so that perhaps one language unifies everyone. Not like some happy camper bullshit, but like, hey, those lines on the map are imaginary and people go to war over lines in the sand. Silly shit.

If that is naive, then I will go to my grave a naive son-of-bitch.


When I hear statements like that above I think about the Swedish woman that did a bicycle Triathlon throughout the Middle East in the name of peace, brotherly love, cooperation, solidarity, a world without borders, and multiculturalism. She was found hacked into several pieces only after she was brutally tortured and raped. I think somebody ran her over with a vehicle while she was bicyling as well. 8)

Much as it is with most social utopian idealists they become the victims of their own precious ideals or worldviews.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby d0rkyd00d » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:02 pm

I think when one considers the nascence of modern society and schools of thought on government bodies and politic, it's no surprise that we haven't figured it out yet.

It took seven thousand years before we unlocked enough understanding of material science to create the modern technology like smartphones we have today, and I think man as an animal is far less straightforward than material science (or perhaps we suffer a more severe blind spot in this regard).

To say we've made no progress in terms of comfort of human existence in the past 200 years however is absurd.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:04 pm

d0rkyd00d wrote:I think when one considers the nascence of modern society and schools of thought on government bodies and politic, it's no surprise that we haven't figured it out yet.

It took seven thousand years before we unlocked enough understanding of material science to create the modern technology like smartphones we have today, and I think man as an animal is far less straightforward than material science (or perhaps we suffer a more severe blind spot in this regard).

To say we've made no progress in terms of comfort of human existence in the past 200 years however is absurd.


I very well could make a contrary argument against that but I know you'll just ignore it so I won't even bother. 8)
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:04 pm

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Berkley Babes wrote:I don't really believe in having borders anywhere on the planet, having separate nations or separate countries. I do believe in melding cultures enough so that perhaps one language unifies everyone. Not like some happy camper bullshit, but like, hey, those lines on the map are imaginary and people go to war over lines in the sand. Silly shit.

If that is naive, then I will go to my grave a naive son-of-bitch.


When I hear statements like that above I think about the Swedish woman that did a bicycle Triathlon throughout the Middle East in the name of peace, brotherly love, cooperation, solidarity, a world without borders, and multiculturalism. She was found hacked into several pieces only after she was brutally tortured and raped. I think somebody ran her over with a vehicle while she was bicyling as well. 8)

Much as it is with most social utopian idealists they become the victims of their own precious ideals or worldviews.


K: and I am sure you glory in being right and all the while a women died...
but hay a death in the name.. doesn't really count, does it?
once again proving you are a psychopath... and you truly hate yourself...
which allows you to hate others...

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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:06 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:I think when one considers the nascence of modern society and schools of thought on government bodies and politic, it's no surprise that we haven't figured it out yet.

It took seven thousand years before we unlocked enough understanding of material science to create the modern technology like smartphones we have today, and I think man as an animal is far less straightforward than material science (or perhaps we suffer a more severe blind spot in this regard).

To say we've made no progress in terms of comfort of human existence in the past 200 years however is absurd.


I very well could make a contrary argument against that but I know you'll just ignore it so I won't even bother. 8)


K: and the fact is, you can't make an argument against it.. which is why you escape the post
by claiming dork won't read it...

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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:08 pm

Politicians promise things and threaten things. The public was informed by the outgoing president that if he were to be replaced the result would be economic collapse. And so, many people trusting a leaders words, fear that very thing.

It's really no different than saying, "No new taxes." then raising taxes. Republican.

Or promising to bring home the troops, then extending a war. Democrat.

Trump used fear very effectively.

They only way the economy collapses, in my limited view, is people stop going to work because no longer want to buy things. And we are a consumer culture, through and through. After freedom, I'd say, Americans value consumption most as part of their national identity. The dollar is an agreement of faith in the labor ready.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:13 pm

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Berkley Babes wrote:I don't really believe in having borders anywhere on the planet, having separate nations or separate countries. I do believe in melding cultures enough so that perhaps one language unifies everyone. Not like some happy camper bullshit, but like, hey, those lines on the map are imaginary and people go to war over lines in the sand. Silly shit.

If that is naive, then I will go to my grave a naive son-of-bitch.


When I hear statements like that above I think about the Swedish woman that did a bicycle Triathlon throughout the Middle East in the name of peace, brotherly love, cooperation, solidarity, a world without borders, and multiculturalism. She was found hacked into several pieces only after she was brutally tortured and raped. I think somebody ran her over with a vehicle while she was bicyling as well. 8)

Much as it is with most social utopian idealists they become the victims of their own precious ideals or worldviews.


Part of me wants to change my precious ideals based on what you wrote. The other part of me knows that some time down the line the sun will get so big in the sky it will boil the planet. So, unless a good amount of people from all the murderous raping nations work together, everyone will boil with it. Sorry if I hope for something a little better than that.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:16 pm

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Part of me wants to change my precious ideals based on what you wrote. The other part of me knows that some time down the line the sun will get so big in the sky it will boil the planet. So, unless a good amount of people from all the murderous raping nations work together, everyone will boil with it. Sorry if I hope for something a little better than that.



You can't fight against cosmic entropy, everybody that tries fails to do so, nobody is getting out of here alive. 8)

I don't fight against human nature, it's pointless and absurd to do so, no, instead I embrace it to the fullest in life until one day I too shall die. Annihilation awaits us all, so you might as well have some fun on the way to our final destination.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:19 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:Politicians promise things and threaten things. The public was informed by the outgoing president that if he were to be replaced the result would be economic collapse. And so, many people trusting a leaders words, fear that very thing.

It's really no different than saying, "No new taxes." then raising taxes. Republican.

Or promising to bring home the troops, then extending a war. Democrat.

Trump used fear very effectively.

They only way the economy collapses, in my limited view, is people stop going to work because no longer want to buy things. And we are a consumer culture, through and through. After freedom, I'd say, Americans value consumption most as part of their national identity. The dollar is an agreement of faith in the labor ready.


If you don't understand the failing economic structure of the United States or the west you're obviously not paying attention.

Consumerism will be the death of western civilization and shockingly not enough people seem to really care either, bread and circuses full of excess all the way to the collapsing demise. Seems to be a familiar pattern throughout history I guess.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:28 pm

You're right, I don't understand it. But from what I do understand, even the so called top economists can't explain it either.

What is clear, however, is how fear is used to influence people. I mean, even animals fake calls of intruders in the jungle. Human beings are not different in that regard.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:31 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
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Part of me wants to change my precious ideals based on what you wrote. The other part of me knows that some time down the line the sun will get so big in the sky it will boil the planet. So, unless a good amount of people from all the murderous raping nations work together, everyone will boil with it. Sorry if I hope for something a little better than that.



You can't fight against cosmic entropy, everybody that tries fails to do so, nobody is getting out of here alive. 8)

I don't fight against human nature, it's pointless and absurd to do so, no, instead I embrace it to the fullest in life until one day I too shall die. Annihilation awaits us all, so you might as well have some fun on the way to our final destination.



I agree, obscurity is the way of the universe. My fun might differ from yours, I avoid conflict mostly.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:34 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:You're right, I don't understand it. But from what I do understand, even the so called top economists can't explain it either.

What is clear, however, is how fear is used to influence people. I mean, even animals fake calls of intruders in the jungle. Human beings are not different in that regard.

Top economists understand it but we wouldn't want it to get out that the entire world economy including the United States is entirely built upon a house of cards and massive amounts of financial fraud either. The paid propagandists also known as economists won't typically bite the hand that feeds them. 8)

Human beings are just another primate, the only difference is that we have guns, explosives, drones, and missiles now to kill each other with. I like how idealists like to elevate human beings above all other animals or biological lifeforms on this planet, it almost seems semi religious.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:36 pm

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I agree, obscurity is the way of the universe. My fun might differ from yours, I avoid conflict mostly.


There's no way to avoid conflict, conflict is the way of the world, it is commonplace like breathing air.

Even the Hindu Sikhs kill an ant or a fly from time to time forever enduring them horrible eternal karma.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:41 pm

Berkley Babes:
Part of me wants to change my precious ideals based on what you wrote. The other part of me knows that some time down the line the sun will get so big in the sky it will boil the planet. So, unless a good amount of people from all the murderous raping nations work together, everyone will boil with it. Sorry if I hope for something a little better than that.[/quote]


Z: You can't fight against cosmic entropy, everybody that tries fails to do so, nobody is getting out of here alive. 8)

K: yah, cosmic entropy will win... in a few billion years... how about today? or even
tomorrow?

Z:I don't fight against human nature, it's pointless and absurd to do so, no, instead I embrace it to the fullest in life until one day I too shall die. Annihilation awaits us all, so you might as well have some fun on the way to our final destination"

K: are you fucking nuts, the entire point of human nature is to fight it and overcome it...
and become human... otherwise why did human beings climb out of the tree's a million
years ago? you hate yourself which is why you love death and annihilation.. it is easy
to engage in nihilism and annihilation if you hate who you are...been there, done that...

oh.... woe unto me, I am going to die and I must accept being an animal....
coward, wimp.... you are just using these false beliefs to justify your
fears and negativity and hatred of yourself... grow a set.... become
a man instead of a gutless coward who is afraid your own fucking shadow

Jesus H. Christ... you are fucking loser if you can't rise above feeling sorry for yourself....

oh, I am going to die.. woe is me.... all is death and nihilism and destruction...

what a pathetic excuse of a human being you are...you are a waste of the air
you breath if you believe this crap......

I can't begin to tell/ explain how much of a loser you are because you can't get
over how you are going to die... woe is me...all is death and nihilism.....

fucking idiot....

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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:44 pm

Serious question, have you ever just looked at the green paper that is money and wondered how people accept on some type of faith or unspoken agreement, that that thing has any, and I mean, any value. Maybe you have. Well, I doubt than anyone on the planet has a proper explanation how that valuation was arrived at. I get that people are willing to exchange labor for it, but I don't get the value itself. Fuck, it opens doors, who can explain that. It really only serves as fire kindling, at best.

Anyway, Idealist as I am, I don't place human beings over animals. Or even rocks, if I'm hard pressed about it. But that is a debate for some other strange day.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Berkley Babes » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:48 pm

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I agree, obscurity is the way of the universe. My fun might differ from yours, I avoid conflict mostly.


There's no way to avoid conflict, conflict is the way of the world, it is commonplace like breathing air.

Even the Hindu Sikhs kill an ant or a fly from time to time forever enduring them horrible eternal karma.



Wanting and avoiding are two different strategies, but yes, they both involve suffering. I prefer avoiding, because I'm not good at getting what I want. Conflict IS the way of world, but at times, I am able to sidestep a portion of it.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:50 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:Serious question, have you ever just looked at the green paper that is money and wondered how people accept on some type of faith or unspoken agreement, that that thing has any, and I mean, any value. Maybe you have. Well, I doubt than anyone on the planet has a proper explanation how that valuation was arrived at. I get that people are willing to exchange labor for it, but I don't get the value itself. Fuck, it opens doors, who can explain that. It really only serves as fire kindling, at best.

Anyway, Idealist as I am, I don't place human beings over animals. Or even rocks, if I'm hard pressed about it. But that is a debate for some other strange day.


Human greed, lust, and the desire for power or prestige is why money exists to begin with. The eternal relentless conundrum of human nature itself.

Well, that's good, that means you're not entirely an idiot, Peter and Dork on the other hand....

At least you argue your point of view and are not afraid to listen to others thoroughly, for that you have my respect which is why I've engaged you today even though I don't agree with a majority of what you have to say.
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Re: The presidential inauguration of Joe Biden Jan 20th 2021

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:52 pm

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Wanting and avoiding are two different strategies, but yes, they both involve suffering. I prefer avoiding, because I'm not good at getting what I want. Conflict IS the way of world, but at times, I am able to sidestep a portion of it.


For me suffering and conflict is natural or eternal, I don't avoid, I embrace.

For me wisdom is impossible without both.
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