The Ideological Evolution of the Left

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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:51 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Free Speech is quite easily divided between left & right.

The Left traditionally apply Free Speech to politics, while The Right traditionally apply Free Speech to religion. This means that the "Right" represents Protestantism, and the "Left" represents innate Rights protected by the State and Constitution.

The Left has slowly moved away from innate Rights and Constitutionalism, toward "Hate Speech" and not hurting anybody's feelings, because they gained more and more political power. To the point now, right now in January 2021, where they gained control of the Mainstream Media, tort and leverage it to its fullest, and no longer have any use for Free Speech as an innate Right. Now, instead, it is much more useful for the Left to abandon Constitutionalism (which they have), in favor of Communism (which they have, sold out to China), because they have tasted the effects and results of reversing on their core-value. Why protect Free Speech, when it offers no more political power, but just the opposite, selling it out to corporations one-by-one (Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Google, etc etc.) is immensely more popular, profitable, and powerful?


The Right generally has not had the same use and utility for Free Speech, because the Right traditionally has kept Free Speech as a means to: 1) Separate Church and State, 2) protected Freedom of Religion (Christianity), and 3) prevented another mainline religion (Judaism/Islam/Easternism) from competing against Christianity in general and in culture, for example, leading to the rise of Mormonism and Evangelicalism across the United States.

So now, while the values are inverted, twisted, and destroyed, only those on the Right who maintain Traditional (ie. Conservative) values, can offer protection of what has classically been and defined as "Free Speech".

The Left have destroyed themselves in the long-run, for this betrayal of core values. They don't even try to pretend anymore. And they don't need to. They simply banish/censor/exile/spike/blackout anything they don't like, and especially anything that threatens their rising and corrupt political takeover.


Covid SCAMdemic and the 2020 Election Steal are only the tip of the spear of what's coming next from this Sellout.

Right and left mean something different today than they did.
Long ago, right meant serfdom, left classical liberalism, today right means classical liberalism, left means socialism.
But mainstream socialism has nothing to do with holding the 1% accountable, it's about redistributing wealth from the middle, and working class to big business, and giving a few crumbs to the poor.
It's about divisive identity politics and mass immigration.
It's about climate, germ, gun and mindcontrol.
That's what big tech censorship is, brainwashing.
Real libertarians are against it, but neolibs and neocons only feign to be.
Big tech has been handed billions by government, for all intents and purposes they are government, that's why they're so PC.
They need to protect free speech or be broken up.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:17 pm

States versus Corporate powers are coming to ahead, we see this in the 2020 Election Fraud and fight for Freedom of Speech.

Private Corporations have abused their power and violated the Constitution, but they did so at the behest of the DNCommunists (Far-Left and Neoliberals).

If they remain unpunished, then they will continue to abuse that power, undermine the US Constitution and State power.


Corporations are gaining more and more power than ever before, potentially overpowering the US State itself.

In the future, the US Military may be forced to align to a set of Corporations that offer moral authority, rather than the US State Governing politic, for example.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:20 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Gloominary wrote:That's how the elite survives, what they can't beat they join,

That's the bottom-line really.

The Elitists are desperate to survive and hold power. With Trump and the rise of Populism/Nationalism, they are scared shitless. So they are flocking to the Far-Left New self-proclaimed Elitist groups, such as Facebook, Twitter, Technocrats, who push for radical "Progressivism" and Scientific Authoritarianism (even though Science doesn't actually back them). With BLM and Antifa as brown-shirt street thugs, Enforcers, they are building a new political power bloc.

Yea DJT has succeeded in making the republican party a bit more populist, whereas Kamala Harris is pure establishment, that's why the globalists prefer dems, altho reps still leave a lot to be desired.

I would consider Corporate Totalitarianism as a form of Neo-Feudalism, by the way. The plebs are Serfs, with no actual Freedom. These are not free people are marks of a 'free' society. Freedom and Liberty, Libertarianism, is on the way out, almost completely destroyed. Republicanism is almost destroyed as well.

Yea pretty much.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:23 pm

You could say the globalists have an ideology, but it's partly occulted, they take from conservatives, libertarians and progressives what works for them and discard the rest, they wear conservative, libertarian and progressive garb, but fundamentally they're none of the above.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:32 pm

Their loyalty is to themselves, and their class, the global, multinational class.
Basically they want a more global and progressive rendition of China for the masses of the west.
I guess China, Israel and some other nations will be permitted to keep some nationalism and conservatism.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:45 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Free Speech is quite easily divided between left & right.

The Left traditionally apply Free Speech to politics, while The Right traditionally apply Free Speech to religion. This means that the "Right" represents Protestantism, and the "Left" represents innate Rights protected by the State and Constitution.

The Left has slowly moved away from innate Rights and Constitutionalism, toward "Hate Speech" and not hurting anybody's feelings, because they gained more and more political power. To the point now, right now in January 2021, where they gained control of the Mainstream Media, tort and leverage it to its fullest, and no longer have any use for Free Speech as an innate Right. Now, instead, it is much more useful for the Left to abandon Constitutionalism (which they have), in favor of Communism (which they have, sold out to China), because they have tasted the effects and results of reversing on their core-value. Why protect Free Speech, when it offers no more political power, but just the opposite, selling it out to corporations one-by-one (Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Google, etc etc.) is immensely more popular, profitable, and powerful?


The Right generally has not had the same use and utility for Free Speech, because the Right traditionally has kept Free Speech as a means to: 1) Separate Church and State, 2) protected Freedom of Religion (Christianity), and 3) prevented another mainline religion (Judaism/Islam/Easternism) from competing against Christianity in general and in culture, for example, leading to the rise of Mormonism and Evangelicalism across the United States.

So now, while the values are inverted, twisted, and destroyed, only those on the Right who maintain Traditional (ie. Conservative) values, can offer protection of what has classically been and defined as "Free Speech".

The Left have destroyed themselves in the long-run, for this betrayal of core values. They don't even try to pretend anymore. And they don't need to. They simply banish/censor/exile/spike/blackout anything they don't like, and especially anything that threatens their rising and corrupt political takeover.


Covid SCAMdemic and the 2020 Election Steal are only the tip of the spear of what's coming next from this Sellout.

Right and left mean something different today than they did.
Long ago, right meant serfdom, left classical liberalism, today right means classical liberalism, left means socialism.
But mainstream socialism has nothing to do with holding the 1% accountable, it's about redistributing wealth from the middle, and working class to big business, and giving a few crumbs to the poor.
It's about divisive identity politics and mass immigration.
It's about climate, germ, gun and mindcontrol.
That's what big tech censorship is, brainwashing.
Real libertarians are against it, but neolibs and neocons only feign to be.
Big tech has been handed billions by government, for all intents and purposes they are government, that's why they're so PC.
They need to protect free speech or be broken up.

Yea conservatives censor speech for different reasons, because stuff offends their religion and traditional values, but conservatives have little-no power these days in the sociocultural sphere, progressives have all the power, conservatives are on the defensive, they just don't want to have their ideas censored.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:56 pm

Constitutionalists and libertarians are the most pro-free speech, ultimately both progressives, and conservatives can't be counted on to defend speech, altho progressives tend to be a lot worse these days.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:35 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Right, they try to co-opt whatever threatens them they can't destroy.
Not just socialists but libertarians and conservatives.
These people are corporatists, classical liberals are against corporatism, so they try to get them focused on other things, like reducing or eliminating social welfare, which's what neoliberalism is.
Even if you're a libertarian, should corporations who've profited immensely from corporatism, force or fraud not be broken up or have some of their wealth redistributed to society in proportion to their corporatism?

Libertarianism is already essentially defeated, because there's no coming back from Big Government. There's no method of reversing or traveling to the past, Small Government.

Yea it doesn't look good for liberty unfortunately.

At this point, as mostly Libertarian-identifying, I would side with whatever coming power can protect Free Speech and basic Constitutional/Human Rights. So if a Corporation, new small government, or even a foreign power could offer this, then I would be attracted to that. But I don't see that coming. It will most likely be a Private enterprise, like 'Trump' corporation, that could compete against other corporations, and retain some semblance of Classical Freedom/Liberalism/Libertarianism.

Some liberty loving states may secede from the union if all else fails.

A side-step would be renouncing youtube/facebook/twitter/google for bitchute/duckduckgo or other tech platforms that revert to more Right/Conservative/Traditional, or at least Constitutional values.

I'm not on facebook and I'm banned from twitter.
I still use google and youtube but I use alternatives too.
I'd like to boycott Bill Gates's microsoft and windows as well.

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Conservatism is more compatible with their corporatism than libertarianism and socialism, because conservatism holds the rich and powerful generally deserve it, however one thing they don't like about conservatism is its ethnocentrism and nationalism, because these people, the globalists, the heads of the banks, multinationals and international organizations, have no loyalty to anyone or anything but themselves, and many of them are Jews, so they've tried their best to denationalize and deracinate conservatism, which's what neoconservatism or zioconservatism is, they want strong borders for Israel, just not for the US, Canada or the UK.
The war on drugs and terror are frauds, and there's nothing conservative about that, about working with drug dealers and terrorists, at least in theory.
Even under conservativism, the rich and powerful are supposed to have some obligation to the poor, but these people don't want any obligation, that's at least in part why the poor grow poorer every year, it's next to impossible for younger generations to own anything, altho the masses may be partly responsible for that too, there's no question the game is rigged in all sorts of ways.

So as we can see, neoconservatism, neoliberalism and neoprogressivism if you will are frauds.
The people have to wake up and realize those in charge have no ideology, or their real ideology is kept party concealed because it's hostile to them, they have to abandon the so called center in droves, which has long since been bought and paid for by the globalists, the banks, multinationals and international organizations.

That's right, people may have to pick-and-choose corporations, based on moral values, which is increasingly the case.

That's also why corporations are now 'advertising' with "progressive" moral-authority campaigns, like showing a mixed-race husband and wife and kids, in a Cheerios or Oreos commercial. It's blatant.

Yup, big brother subsidizes many corporations, that's why they're so woke.
It's really disgusting.

If a Corporation can match Libertarian values, then so be it. That's kind of why I believe this Trump Populism is so powerful, because it is offering a release-valve for the building pressure, of all the Classical Liberals that need somewhere to funnel to.


Elon Musk is the best example of where Libertarians/Conservatives/Classical Liberals must go. If people want to retain their values, based on freedom, then they need to gain Corporate power and sponsorship to keep and retain previously taken-for-granted freedoms.

Freedom has never been "Free", but now the cost is rising exponentially, and many people are losing their freedoms (like massive state-sponsored DNC censorship on youtube/facebook/twitter/google).

Some corporations won't shill for big brother, the banksters and globalists, but unfortunately the vast majority will, it's ridiculous we have to put up with all this PC garbage in advertisements, corporatism is awful.
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Re: The Ideological Evolution of the Left

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:31 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:States versus Corporate powers are coming to ahead, we see this in the 2020 Election Fraud and fight for Freedom of Speech.

Private Corporations have abused their power and violated the Constitution, but they did so at the behest of the DNCommunists (Far-Left and Neoliberals).

If they remain unpunished, then they will continue to abuse that power, undermine the US Constitution and State power.


Corporations are gaining more and more power than ever before, potentially overpowering the US State itself.

In the future, the US Military may be forced to align to a set of Corporations that offer moral authority, rather than the US State Governing politic, for example.

The banksters, globalists and multinationals are at the top of the food chain.
For far too long nation states have served their interests, it's time for them to start serving the people again.
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