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An illegitimate president either way

Postby gib » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:06 am

You guys are now facing 4 years in which, any way you cut it, the President of the United States is going to be seen as illegitimate by half the country. Trump, because he performed a coup-d'état, or Biden, because of voter fraud. I'm not sure if it's exactly half the country, but the point is, the losers aren't going to accept the results on account of refusing to recognize whichever man ascends to the presidency as having a rightful claim to that position.

How often has this happened in your history? Has a president ever lived out his full term, or two terms, with half the country not acknowledging his legitimacy? And how did that go down?

This is the stuff that civil wars are made from. Kings who have usurped the thrown, dictators who have ceased power through assassination, have had to contend with violent uprisings because the people thought they had a right to overthrow him on account of the fact that he wasn't a real king, or the rightful ruler of the nation.

How do Americans respond to a president who has no right to be president?
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:09 am

i think it happened at least once before. if you listen to talk radio people or watched fox during the obama years they pretty much stayed on him the entire time with the birther stuff and anything else they could throw at him. fringe media has put a lot of work into radicalizing the far right.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby gib » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:39 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:i think it happened at least once before. if you listen to talk radio people or watched fox during the obama years they pretty much stayed on him the entire time with the birther stuff and anything else they could throw at him. fringe media has put a lot of work into radicalizing the far right.


Was half the population convinced Obama was illegitimate? I remember a lot of controversy over Bush Jr.'s win. They said Florida was going to do a recount but the supreme court put a stop to it. Later into his term, they did an informal recount and found Gore would have won, which would have given him the win overall.

I don't know how your country's gonna survive the next 4 years. You guys almost broke out into civil war only a few months ago and the hostilities are still seething. Whatever the results of this election turn out to be, I think that hostility's gonna blow its lid.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:40 am

about the same amount as the ones who are legit denying biden's win. people who listen to mark levin and rush limbaugh and who are on that q anon shit maybe 15 percent or so of the population. they know that their views are nuts so they keep quiet about it but the sure as shit vote.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:42 am

Civil War is imminent. The writing is on the wall. I warned people months ago, nobody listened.

But now apparently you're listening. You're late to the party.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:49 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Civil War is imminent. The writing is on the wall. I warned people months ago, nobody listened.

But now apparently you're listening. You're late to the party.


here's one right now
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:51 am

I'm a Centrist, nice attempt at slander though. You really don't have anything other than personal, Ad Hominid attacks.

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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:52 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:I'm a Centrist, nice attempt at slander though. You really don't have anything other than personal, Ad Hominid attacks.

Now begone, I want to have an adult conversation with gib, if it's possible.


if this guy is a centrist then who is to the right of him?
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:53 am

What do you think is coming next, if I'm Center? Guess.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:55 am

a biden presidency and quite possibly a democratic senate majority
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby gib » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:55 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:about the same amount as the ones who are legit denying biden's win. people who listen to mark levin and rush limbaugh and who are on that q anon shit maybe 15 percent or so of the population. they know that their views are nuts so they keep quiet about it but the sure as shit vote.


I've been following the voter fraud hearings on NTD news and it seems there's mountains of evidence that there was plenty of fraud, at least in Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. I don't know if it was enough to give Trump the win, but it was on the order of hundreds of thousands of votes per state. Anybody saying there is no evidence is clearly lying.

Here's Giuliani testifying in Michigan:



The full hearing is 7 hours long:

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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:58 am

at an hour and 45 mins they try and get the witnesses under oath and fail to do so.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby gib » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:00 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Civil War is imminent. The writing is on the wall. I warned people months ago, nobody listened.

But now apparently you're listening. You're late to the party.


I warned people years ago, here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 0#p2592419
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby gib » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:01 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:at an hour and 45 mins they try and get the witnesses under oath and fail to do so.


Yeah, 'cause they signed sworn affidavits.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:05 am

Here's some followup on one of the witnesses, and some new stuff about the dominion allegations, and newmax um...retracting, or correcting, or clarifying their coverage of the smartmatic matter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -election/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 382aa06485

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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby gib » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:14 am

I'll watch tomorrow morning. Gonna go to sleep now.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:59 am

gib wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Civil War is imminent. The writing is on the wall. I warned people months ago, nobody listened.

But now apparently you're listening. You're late to the party.


I warned people years ago, here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 0#p2592419

You're right that you made an earlier warning, but yours was still pretty obscure.

Now the corruption is out in open daylight, and it's fully exposed. I view it this way. Trump came aboard and is an existential threat to the deep state Establishment, which they are willing to do all it takes to purge him out. But they overplayed their hands. Their corruption is exposed at the highest level (Biden crime family, blackmailed by CCP and under Communist control). The DNC party, also under Communist control, had to push fraud as hard as they could to "win". Then we have idiots like smears here, defending the DNC and DC corruption, because they don't know better. They are blind followers of their political institution.

The problem is, as you mentioned, that Western Civilization is corrupted to the core, and is being fully leveraged by foreign powers, especially China, who also exposed their part in all of this.


Blood has already flowed on the street, and will continue to do so. You said "bloody revolution", it looks like your desire is coming true, be careful what you wish for.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:33 am

Truth is here, open, obvious, brazen... so why is the MSM "strangely" silent? Is it strange?

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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:41 am

gib wrote:How do Americans respond to a president who has no right to be president?
Probably in most cases with a lot of complaints and not much action. I am not that that is the way this must play out, but I think there's a good chance.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby fuse » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:18 am

gib wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:at an hour and 45 mins they try and get the witnesses under oath and fail to do so.


Yeah, 'cause they signed sworn affidavits.

Some of those sworn affidavits said things like poll workers were rude. And the effort it takes to throw out a bunch of baseless claims is wayyy easier than the effort to actually substantiate and win a case in court.

You have to wonder why, with all the money and resources at his disposal, even when brought before his own appointed judges, the President of the United States and his vast array of lawyers and affidavits couldn't prove "election fraud" or "massive voter fraud" where it actually counts, in a court of law.

What's your take on why?
Legal system completely broken?
Grand conspiracy involving Trump's own appointees?
Or maybe the "election fraud" they're claiming doesn't actually add up to election fraud (even though some people really, badly want it to)?

Maybe Trump and his team are just throwing shit to see what sticks, getting free money to "take back the election," and consolidating support and influence all at the same time regardless of the result.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:19 pm

fuse wrote:Some of those sworn affidavits said things like poll workers were rude. And the effort it takes to throw out a bunch of baseless claims is wayyy easier than the effort to actually substantiate and win a case in court.

You have to wonder why, with all the money and resources at his disposal, even when brought before his own appointed judges, the President of the United States and his vast array of lawyers and affidavits couldn't prove "election fraud" or "massive voter fraud" where it actually counts, in a court of law.

What's your take on why?
Legal system completely broken?
Grand conspiracy involving Trump's own appointees?
Or maybe the "election fraud" they're claiming doesn't actually add up to election fraud (even though some people really, badly want it to)?

Maybe Trump and his team are just throwing shit to see what sticks, getting free money to "take back the election," and consolidating support and influence all at the same time regardless of the result.

This is the future you and your comrades are responsible for:

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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:01 pm

fuse wrote:
gib wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:at an hour and 45 mins they try and get the witnesses under oath and fail to do so.


Yeah, 'cause they signed sworn affidavits.

Some of those sworn affidavits said things like poll workers were rude. And the effort it takes to throw out a bunch of baseless claims is wayyy easier than the effort to actually substantiate and win a case in court.

Have you read any of the affidavits?

fuse wrote:You have to wonder why, with all the money and resources at his disposal, even when brought before his own appointed judges, the President of the United States and his vast array of lawyers and affidavits couldn't prove "election fraud" or "massive voter fraud" where it actually counts, in a court of law.

With all the money the Leftist put into the campaign (500 million merely from Zuckerberg) why are they working so hard to hide potential evidence? In 1/10th the time and money they could have just said "here are the machines. Take a look yourself." Instead they have gone to extremes to keep observers and thorough auditing away. Who is really creating the suspicion - Right or the Left?

fuse wrote:What's your take on why?
Legal system completely broken?
Grand conspiracy involving Trump's own appointees?
Or maybe the "election fraud" they're claiming doesn't actually add up to election fraud (even though some people really, badly want it to)?

In a word - China.
In 2 words - China, Russia
Ok 3 words - China, Russia, Israel
But let's not forget all of the extreme effort to overthrow Mr Trump with prior proven false allegations supported by MSM and the exposed guilty DNC for 4 years. What's a little more fraud?

fuse wrote:Maybe Trump and his team are just throwing shit to see what sticks, getting free money to "take back the election," and consolidating support and influence all at the same time regardless of the result.

Or maybe Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden did exactly what he said - "We put together the most sophisticated fraud campaign in US history" - let's cheat in every way we can and see what sticks.

Simply the effort to hide easily exposed exculpatory evidence that would be very beneficial to Biden is all but an admission of guilt - even without all of the eye witnesses and maths analysis. There is no question that there was massive fraud.
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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Zero_Sum » Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:11 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:I'm a Centrist, nice attempt at slander though. You really don't have anything other than personal, Ad Hominid attacks.

Now begone, I want to have an adult conversation with gib, if it's possible.


if this guy is a centrist then who is to the right of him?


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Re: An illegitimate president either way

Postby Zero_Sum » Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:15 pm

gib wrote:You guys are now facing 4 years in which, any way you cut it, the President of the United States is going to be seen as illegitimate by half the country. Trump, because he performed a coup-d'état, or Biden, because of voter fraud. I'm not sure if it's exactly half the country, but the point is, the losers aren't going to accept the results on account of refusing to recognize whichever man ascends to the presidency as having a rightful claim to that position.

How often has this happened in your history? Has a president ever lived out his full term, or two terms, with half the country not acknowledging his legitimacy? And how did that go down?

This is the stuff that civil wars are made from. Kings who have usurped the thrown, dictators who have ceased power through assassination, have had to contend with violent uprisings because the people thought they had a right to overthrow him on account of the fact that he wasn't a real king, or the rightful ruler of the nation.

How do Americans respond to a president who has no right to be president?


I'm very interested in finding out next year. :evilfun: :lol:

For those who follow my line of thinking what we have is an economic collapse added on top of a politically unstable civil war mindset.
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