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COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby d0rkyd00d » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:41 pm

COVID has brought into focus one of the most glaring flaws in the current version of U.S. (and to some extent, global) capitalism in its current form.

The COVID crisis here in the U.S. has pitted human capital vs. corporations. The population is being asked to sacrifice its own health and safety to continue perpetuating a system that mostly serves the top 1%.

Debates are raging across the U.S., as small business owners and smaller companies have been left no other choice than to go to war with public officials who are trying to ensure the well being and safety of their citizenry. Of course, it didn't have to be this way. If the U.S. compensated small business owners to ensure their business stayed afloat until vaccinations were widely distributed, we would not have had to make this decision. If large companies were the ones expected to be prepared to insulate the economy from such an unpredictable event as a pandemic, individuals would not have to worry about risking their lives for their livelihood.

As a matter of economic and national security, it doesn't seem crony capitalism is well equipped to deal with a pandemic, and people are noticing. The question is, will they do anything about it?
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:45 pm

At this point in human history (more than any other), for the plutocracy (the kleptocracy)... America and planet earth are disposable garbage.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:52 pm

d0rkyd00d wrote:The population is being asked to sacrifice its own health and safety to continue perpetuating a system that mostly serves the top 1%.

That defines socialism, not capitalism.

d0rkyd00d wrote:Debates are raging across the U.S., as small business owners and smaller companies have been left no other choice than to go to war with public officials who are trying to ensure the well being and safety of their citizenry.

It is the socialist leaders in the US who are locking down so as to get rid of the middle class. They use corporation laws in order to operate more freely and gain more money around the world. They are no more capitalists than Chairman Mao or Xi Jinping.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:06 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:The population is being asked to sacrifice its own health and safety to continue perpetuating a system that mostly serves the top 1%.

That defines socialism, not capitalism.

d0rkyd00d wrote:Debates are raging across the U.S., as small business owners and smaller companies have been left no other choice than to go to war with public officials who are trying to ensure the well being and safety of their citizenry.

It is the socialist leaders in the US who are locking down so as to get rid of the middle class. They use corporation laws in order to operate more freely and gain more money around the world. They are no more capitalists than Chairman Mao or Xi Jinping.


Ovsrvr, your views are not backed by reality in any way shape or form; you’re an extreme wingnut.

The science of capitalism is simple:

Make as much money as possible without causing a revolt.

We have VERY advanced tools for this than we even had 20 years ago. If you’re a billionaire, what’s spending 100 million on secret sociological studies to make another billion?!

It’s sure money.

You come in here, like you understand the world, supposedly investigating James... James would agree with me. Sure, we would have debated for a while, and James always thought he had the ToE...

But dude, you are radicalized and not ‘street smart’.

This world is shit because of capitalism. There have never been communist countries (there are socialist countries though); all in Scandinavia.

There are two things you really need to do to make a country great:

1.) transparent and anonymous voting (democracy)
2.) have an informed public
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:35 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Ovsrvr, your views are not backed by reality in any way shape or form; you’re an extreme wingnut.

Until you can prove that I am not going to pay much attention to it.

Ecmandu wrote:The science of capitalism is simple:

Make as much money as possible without causing a revolt.

A very very simple minded extremist view.

Where is your new and improved US Constitution?
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:52 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:The population is being asked to sacrifice its own health and safety to continue perpetuating a system that mostly serves the top 1%.


Ob: That defines socialism, not capitalism.

K: no wonder you are so confused, you don't even know what the difference
between capitalism and socialism.... the system that serves the top 1% is capitalism,
not socialism...if wealth is used as to define the worth of people, then that is
capitalism... if some other means is used to define people, that is something else
beside capitalism....

d0rkyd00d wrote:Debates are raging across the U.S., as small business owners and smaller companies have been left no other choice than to go to war with public officials who are trying to ensure the well being and safety of their citizenry.


OB" It is the socialist leaders in the US who are locking down so as to get rid of the middle class. They use corporation laws in order to operate more freely and gain more money around the world. They are no more capitalists than Chairman Mao or Xi Jinping.


K: my goodness, are you confused....America great problem isn't socialism,
it is the way capitalism has corrupted American politics.... Moscow Mitch as
a Senator, he makes 192,000 dollars a year and yet since 1985, his personal
wealth is over 30 million dollars... ummm, how does he go from 192 thousand a year
to being worth over 30 million dollars, in 35 years? if you do the math, at 200,000 a year
after 35 years, his worth is only about 7 million dollars.. and yet he is worth several times
that... wonder how he did that? corruption... nothing more, nothing less..... taking
bribes and kickbacks.... from capitalists, not socialist.. money doesn't drive socialists.....
but money sure the hell drives capitalists.....

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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:37 am

mitch is married to a chinese woman who has a stake in a foreign shipping company and she also holds a govt position that relates to foreign shipping companies
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby d0rkyd00d » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:31 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:The population is being asked to sacrifice its own health and safety to continue perpetuating a system that mostly serves the top 1%.

That defines socialism, not capitalism.

d0rkyd00d wrote:Debates are raging across the U.S., as small business owners and smaller companies have been left no other choice than to go to war with public officials who are trying to ensure the well being and safety of their citizenry.

It is the socialist leaders in the US who are locking down so as to get rid of the middle class. They use corporation laws in order to operate more freely and gain more money around the world. They are no more capitalists than Chairman Mao or Xi Jinping.


The science of capitalism is simple:

Make as much money as possible without causing a revolt.

We have VERY advanced tools for this than we even had 20 years ago. If you’re a billionaire, what’s spending 100 million on secret sociological studies to make another billion?!

It’s sure money.

You come in here, like you understand the world, supposedly investigating James... James would agree with me. Sure, we would have debated for a while, and James always thought he had the ToE...

But dude, you are radicalized and not ‘street smart’.

This world is shit because of capitalism. There have never been communist countries (there are socialist countries though); all in Scandinavia.

There are two things you really need to do to make a country great:

1.) transparent and anonymous voting (democracy)
2.) have an informed public


Agreed Ecmandu, and well put. I'd like to note that I am pro-capitalist, but I do think it needs to be reformed and refined for the 21st century and beyond at this point.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby zinnat » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:41 am

If we go by the true intention of the capitalism, there is no scope of any kind of bailout/help for any kind of businesses, whether big or small. Capitalism clearly says that if anyone is unable to survive because of whatever circumstances, so be it, irrespective of what caused those circumstances.

But, this pure and rigid version cannot be applied in real world, so we tend to infuse some dose of socialism into capitalism, which works fine in most of the cases.

All this concept of stimulus is nothing but a dose of socialism into capitalism. Otherwise ideally, the government shouldn't be concerned about the survival of any kind of businesses, big or small.

So, the question now is whether the infused dose is right or not and whether the help is getting there who need it most or nor.

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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby d0rkyd00d » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:19 pm

Hi Sanjay, thanks for the reply. Lately I have considered whether we could view Capitalism as analogous to Newtonian physics: perhaps it is only useful within a certain set of conditions. It should not be viewed as the end-all be-all of our understanding of human governance, but rather an approximation that was our best understanding of capitalism at the time, and in the circumstances of mankind in the 19th-21st centuries. But perhaps there is a quantum mechanics of governance, perhaps we can fine tune around the rough edges of capitalism to get an even better fit for the betterment and progress of mankind.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:28 pm

zinnat wrote:If we go by the true intention of the capitalism, there is no scope of any kind of bailout/help for any kind of businesses, whether big or small. Capitalism clearly says that if anyone is unable to survive because of whatever circumstances, so be it, irrespective of what caused those circumstances.

But, this pure and rigid version cannot be applied in real world, so we tend to infuse some dose of socialism into capitalism, which works fine in most of the cases.

All this concept of stimulus is nothing but a dose of socialism into capitalism. Otherwise ideally, the government shouldn't be concerned about the survival of any kind of businesses, big or small.

So, the question now is whether the infused dose is right or not and whether the help is getting there who need it most or nor.

With love,
Sanjay
d0rkyd00d wrote:Hi Sanjay, thanks for the reply. Lately I have considered whether we could view Capitalism as analogous to Newtonian physics: perhaps it is only useful within a certain set of conditions. It should not be viewed as the end-all be-all of our understanding of human governance, but rather an approximation that was our best understanding of capitalism at the time, and in the circumstances of mankind in the 19th-21st centuries. But perhaps there is a quantum mechanics of governance, perhaps we can fine tune around the rough edges of capitalism to get an even better fit for the betterment and progress of mankind.

I think both of those are excellent perspectives and posts.

The single largest downfall of capitalism is the allowance of monopolies. Anti-trust laws were made long ago in the US but have recently been abandoned or perverted to allow very harmful socialist monopolies under the guise of corporate rights.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:27 pm

Very generally, the scope of the problem exceeds national boundaries. The same thing implicitly denoted a comtonupus struggle: the expansion of markets used to be called ' imperialism' which is a term used for capitalistic procedure to either grow to gain wider markets, via profitable production and and consumption.

This process is the very modicum of the class struggle, as the gain in capital becomes sacrosanct of social control .

The class struggle primarily, doesen't revolve around the identity markers determening the contexts within which reificaton of classes debelop, for people have repressed this conflict
through the longest stretches of history

The cast system has mot always had the problem with social-psychological-political insecurity, as evidenced in places like India with it's literal and permanent cast system, Russia's serfdom, potting society into the so called ruling class against the repressed underclass


Colonialism-imperialism became critically faced off throughout the bast history of this so called class struggle, and what is appearing as the fracturing in this process, is really about the evolving market place as a dynamic manifestation , that does not differ much through the many 'isms' that determined the dynamics of social change rather then some application of Hegelian to Marxian ideological change causing the markers of utalitariam control to herd society into an understandibly patterned organization.

What went down is all about the similar elements of organization , needing a revision, changing intrinsically recognizable outworn clothes into a new look, a new extrinsic style , that consumers cant recognize, but retaining the same internal sets of dynamics, which needed only to be reorganized.

The kings, the zsars of the new economy have actually brazenly re-labeled the agents of repressions, with reminders, that nothing in the world have changed, but only the methods of controlling the appearance of modes of political justification


Colonialism took a very long time to unravel, mainly because the intrinsic social - psychological factors had to be twisted and turned this way and that.

Pandemics are nothing new either, and the evolution to new levels of interpretation, through some say, new evolved realms of post modern symbols to levels of metaphor, begs the question

The question of trading off such metaphors askence to what capitalism is, its aims and goals, and how those further extend into subliminal existential dynamics of how those goals interact with their symbolic significance; try, in a supposed open society to take the meaning, the now critical meaning of signs of social illness, signaling almost to a tee, an analogical contraption that signifies it's self, as being able to justify ' self determination'

Getting back to basics, make America great again are such maximized generalities constructed for effect, that they almost approaching the triviality of the absurd. Such methods are more prone to visible modes of control of material marketing, but poof, almost magicallg, they can be transferred to ' intellectual property or substance, that only trained brokers and agents are designed to understand.

So we have arrived at the state of not merely apathy of where and for what reasons covid19 was manufactured, the basic structural matrix has more concern for the capital status, the political , social-psychologocal sign of identity, than for the agency , which threatens , as of yet , a small minority of the total population.

The politicization of the illness has not really trump the primary, elementary sources of angst, and for that very reason , a coincidental shadow will, must be constructed, to bring home the idea that literal conflicts, through anarchic behavior be extended outward, if the so called ' class struggle' continues much longer.

In my opinion, if some kind of internal class war is at hand, it is almost certain that the need to decompress internal fraction be almost certain to become a forgone conclusion.

The metaphoric levels of representation, are nearing a point of conflating signals, between human and ' intellectually constructed' capital, so as to make any kind of synthetic capital impossible.

These axiomatic effects will surely overcome the essential need to overcome the affects which have ceased to view human life as sacrosanct, the modes of artificial production through robotic devices will devalue increasingly, where political suggestions through media manupilation will overcome easily, the remaining traces of even symbolic doubt.

Since capital represents the earliest manifestation of control, it can't cease to develop in various disguises, it's a theater, and such proto philosophers as Zizek's performance philosophy, is an example of philosophy merely imitating life.

Dadaism, born of another period when illness and literal conflict overcame metaphores of illusion, are a prime example.


Lastly, the floating conspiracy about the Gates' induced plan to change the DNA configuration by microchip-vaccine means appears perfectly sensible, as well as logical, when the alternative may result in the automatic chain of events described above.

I think the outcome of the election means little in view of this wider theater of actual world conflict.


Guess ignorance can be bliss, or?

Bless!
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:53 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:mitch is married to a chinese woman who has a stake in a foreign shipping company and she also holds a govt position that relates to foreign shipping companies


Plenty of Rhinos to go around, yes. They're almost always tied to some conglomerate or corporate entity.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby d0rkyd00d » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:35 pm

Meno_ wrote:Very generally, the scope of the problem exceeds national boundaries. The same thing implicitly denoted a comtonupus struggle: the expansion of markets used to be called ' imperialism' which is a term used for capitalistic procedure to either grow to gain wider markets, via profitable production and and consumption.

This process is the very modicum of the class struggle, as the gain in capital becomes sacrosanct of social control .

The class struggle primarily, doesen't revolve around the identity markers determening the contexts within which reificaton of classes debelop, for people have repressed this conflict
through the longest stretches of history

The cast system has mot always had the problem with social-psychological-political insecurity, as evidenced in places like India with it's literal and permanent cast system, Russia's serfdom, potting society into the so called ruling class against the repressed underclass


Colonialism-imperialism became critically faced off throughout the bast history of this so called class struggle, and what is appearing as the fracturing in this process, is really about the evolving market place as a dynamic manifestation , that does not differ much through the many 'isms' that determined the dynamics of social change rather then some application of Hegelian to Marxian ideological change causing the markers of utalitariam control to herd society into an understandibly patterned organization.

What went down is all about the similar elements of organization , needing a revision, changing intrinsically recognizable outworn clothes into a new look, a new extrinsic style , that consumers cant recognize, but retaining the same internal sets of dynamics, which needed only to be reorganized.

The kings, the zsars of the new economy have actually brazenly re-labeled the agents of repressions, with reminders, that nothing in the world have changed, but only the methods of controlling the appearance of modes of political justification


Colonialism took a very long time to unravel, mainly because the intrinsic social - psychological factors had to be twisted and turned this way and that.

Pandemics are nothing new either, and the evolution to new levels of interpretation, through some say, new evolved realms of post modern symbols to levels of metaphor, begs the question

The question of trading off such metaphors askence to what capitalism is, its aims and goals, and how those further extend into subliminal existential dynamics of how those goals interact with their symbolic significance; try, in a supposed open society to take the meaning, the now critical meaning of signs of social illness, signaling almost to a tee, an analogical contraption that signifies it's self, as being able to justify ' self determination'

Getting back to basics, make America great again are such maximized generalities constructed for effect, that they almost approaching the triviality of the absurd. Such methods are more prone to visible modes of control of material marketing, but poof, almost magicallg, they can be transferred to ' intellectual property or substance, that only trained brokers and agents are designed to understand.

So we have arrived at the state of not merely apathy of where and for what reasons covid19 was manufactured, the basic structural matrix has more concern for the capital status, the political , social-psychologocal sign of identity, than for the agency , which threatens , as of yet , a small minority of the total population.

The politicization of the illness has not really trump the primary, elementary sources of angst, and for that very reason , a coincidental shadow will, must be constructed, to bring home the idea that literal conflicts, through anarchic behavior be extended outward, if the so called ' class struggle' continues much longer.

In my opinion, if some kind of internal class war is at hand, it is almost certain that the need to decompress internal fraction be almost certain to become a forgone conclusion.

The metaphoric levels of representation, are nearing a point of conflating signals, between human and ' intellectually constructed' capital, so as to make any kind of synthetic capital impossible.

These axiomatic effects will surely overcome the essential need to overcome the affects which have ceased to view human life as sacrosanct, the modes of artificial production through robotic devices will devalue increasingly, where political suggestions through media manupilation will overcome easily, the remaining traces of even symbolic doubt.

Since capital represents the earliest manifestation of control, it can't cease to develop in various disguises, it's a theater, and such proto philosophers as Zizek's performance philosophy, is an example of philosophy merely imitating life.

Dadaism, born of another period when illness and literal conflict overcame metaphores of illusion, are a prime example.


Lastly, the floating conspiracy about the Gates' induced plan to change the DNA configuration by microchip-vaccine means appears perfectly sensible, as well as logical, when the alternative may result in the automatic chain of events described above.

I think the outcome of the election means little in view of this wider theater of actual world conflict.


Guess ignorance can be bliss, or?

Bless!


Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing!!
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:00 pm

d0rkyd00d wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Very generally, the scope of the problem exceeds national boundaries. The same thing implicitly denoted a comtonupus struggle: the expansion of markets used to be called ' imperialism' which is a term used for capitalistic procedure to either grow to gain wider markets, via profitable production and and consumption.

This process is the very modicum of the class struggle, as the gain in capital becomes sacrosanct of social control .

The class struggle primarily, doesen't revolve around the identity markers determening the contexts within which reificaton of classes debelop, for people have repressed this conflict
through the longest stretches of history

The cast system has mot always had the problem with social-psychological-political insecurity, as evidenced in places like India with it's literal and permanent cast system, Russia's serfdom, potting society into the so called ruling class against the repressed underclass


Colonialism-imperialism became critically faced off throughout the bast history of this so called class struggle, and what is appearing as the fracturing in this process, is really about the evolving market place as a dynamic manifestation , that does not differ much through the many 'isms' that determined the dynamics of social change rather then some application of Hegelian to Marxian ideological change causing the markers of utalitariam control to herd society into an understandibly patterned organization.

What went down is all about the similar elements of organization , needing a revision, changing intrinsically recognizable outworn clothes into a new look, a new extrinsic style , that consumers cant recognize, but retaining the same internal sets of dynamics, which needed only to be reorganized.

The kings, the zsars of the new economy have actually brazenly re-labeled the agents of repressions, with reminders, that nothing in the world have changed, but only the methods of controlling the appearance of modes of political justification


Colonialism took a very long time to unravel, mainly because the intrinsic social - psychological factors had to be twisted and turned this way and that.

Pandemics are nothing new either, and the evolution to new levels of interpretation, through some say, new evolved realms of post modern symbols to levels of metaphor, begs the question

The question of trading off such metaphors askence to what capitalism is, its aims and goals, and how those further extend into subliminal existential dynamics of how those goals interact with their symbolic significance; try, in a supposed open society to take the meaning, the now critical meaning of signs of social illness, signaling almost to a tee, an analogical contraption that signifies it's self, as being able to justify ' self determination'

Getting back to basics, make America great again are such maximized generalities constructed for effect, that they almost approaching the triviality of the absurd. Such methods are more prone to visible modes of control of material marketing, but poof, almost magicallg, they can be transferred to ' intellectual property or substance, that only trained brokers and agents are designed to understand.

So we have arrived at the state of not merely apathy of where and for what reasons covid19 was manufactured, the basic structural matrix has more concern for the capital status, the political , social-psychologocal sign of identity, than for the agency , which threatens , as of yet , a small minority of the total population.

The politicization of the illness has not really trump the primary, elementary sources of angst, and for that very reason , a coincidental shadow will, must be constructed, to bring home the idea that literal conflicts, through anarchic behavior be extended outward, if the so called ' class struggle' continues much longer.

In my opinion, if some kind of internal class war is at hand, it is almost certain that the need to decompress internal fraction be almost certain to become a forgone conclusion.

The metaphoric levels of representation, are nearing a point of conflating signals, between human and ' intellectually constructed' capital, so as to make any kind of synthetic capital impossible.

These axiomatic effects will surely overcome the essential need to overcome the affects which have ceased to view human life as sacrosanct, the modes of artificial production through robotic devices will devalue increasingly, where political suggestions through media manupilation will overcome easily, the remaining traces of even symbolic doubt.

Since capital represents the earliest manifestation of control, it can't cease to develop in various disguises, it's a theater, and such proto philosophers as Zizek's performance philosophy, is an example of philosophy merely imitating life.

Dadaism, born of another period when illness and literal conflict overcame metaphores of illusion, are a prime example.


Lastly, the floating conspiracy about the Gates' induced plan to change the DNA configuration by microchip-vaccine means appears perfectly sensible, as well as logical, when the alternative may result in the automatic chain of events described above.

I think the outcome of the election means little in view of this wider theater of actual world conflict.


Guess ignorance can be bliss, or?

Bless!


Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing!!



Thanks, as well. Then, as I wrote this haphazardly, while covering some kind of reaffirmation, of similar narratives aired among some people, whether You or someone, could comment on particularly it's conspiratorial tone, in fact , is the conjecture of saying things like lihis, are really , less real then appearent?

After a, the virus came from Wohan China, near a facility which can involve studying and manufacturing such products?

Human capital has lost much value, do to numerous factors, so does this the intent of raising that capital fare with population control via. liberal positions on euthanasia, abortion , homosexuality, versus control of over population ?

Actually, how does intra party fragmentation help define human value in terms of the material market's overtake of intellectually acquired skills of production?


Now, to belittle the genetic roots of survival, and turn a blind eye toward the ideals that national socialism hinged on, whereas , the alleged 'conpiratorial ' efforts of Gates & Co. , highlight the missed success with genetic engineering , point to a clear succession of unfinished business, not acknowledged aa really ones continuous effort. .

That others perhaps already factored this in, some, still think in terms who can raise it to a conspiratory level.

But the word is getting out, and perhaps there is more to the evolving conflict that some are merely repressing

Some even take the position that the injection will be complex, more so than more widely known, and that is the reason for two shots, containing not a booster, but one containing a vastly different material.

Maybe AI has worked on this, and determined there is no other alternative way to save the planet. If so, Darwins' survival of the fittest would attest the to the sad credibility ruling out some other solution.



This is, still from my vantage point still on the level of a mind game. Some were told from various sources, who upon asked about getting the vaccine, accounted for their refusal from the above described scenario

How crazy is that?
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby zinnat » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:24 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
The single largest downfall of capitalism is the allowance of monopolies. Anti-trust laws were made long ago in the US but have recently been abandoned or perverted to allow very harmful socialist monopolies under the guise of corporate rights.


True but only for short term.
Capitalism has the natural tendency to correct monopolies formed within over the time, if left untouched. Theorists suggest that this time period may be as long as 20 years but it will correct ultimately.

Having said that during that time monopoly can benifit itself beyond reason but this very affect would cause its downfall also because seeing that monopoly earning expotentially from that particular business, many newcomers will attract to that particular business and some successful from that group will give compitition to the previous monopoly in the future.

That is precisely how capitalism is supposed to work.

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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:38 am

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Plenty of Rhinos to go around, yes. They're almost always tied to some conglomerate or corporate entity.


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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:56 am

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The single largest downfall of capitalism is the allowance of monopolies. Anti-trust laws were made long ago in the US but have recently been abandoned or perverted to allow very harmful socialist monopolies under the guise of corporate rights.


True but only for short term.
Capitalism has the natural tendency to correct monopolies formed within over the time, if left untouched. Theorists suggest that this time period may be as long as 20 years but it will correct ultimately.

That is not how I understand it. The more power you get the more power you have to get more power. How is that ever going to self correct? Usually when large corporations get to be too much of a monopoly the government steps in and breaks them up. I don't see why a corporation would just naturally breakup unless the owners chose to split off.

zinnat wrote:Having said that during that time monopoly can benifit itself beyond reason but this very affect would cause its downfall also because seeing that monopoly earning expotentially from that particular business, many newcomers will attract to that particular business and some successful from that group will give compitition to the previous monopoly in the future.

Large monopolies crush out or buy out their competition. Currently in the US, Google is being sued by the US DOJ for doing exactly that. Most US monopolies just keep growing until the government steps in (Google, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon..).
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:38 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
zinnat wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:
The single largest downfall of capitalism is the allowance of monopolies. Anti-trust laws were made long ago in the US but have recently been abandoned or perverted to allow very harmful socialist monopolies under the guise of corporate rights.


True but only for short term.
Capitalism has the natural tendency to correct monopolies formed within over the time, if left untouched. Theorists suggest that this time period may be as long as 20 years but it will correct ultimately.

That is not how I understand it. The more power you get the more power you have to get more power. How is that ever going to self correct? Usually when large corporations get to be too much of a monopoly the government steps in and breaks them up. I don't see why a corporation would just naturally breakup unless the owners chose to split off.

zinnat wrote:Having said that during that time monopoly can benifit itself beyond reason but this very affect would cause its downfall also because seeing that monopoly earning expotentially from that particular business, many newcomers will attract to that particular business and some successful from that group will give compitition to the previous monopoly in the future.

Large monopolies crush out or buy out their competition. Currently in the US, Google is being sued by the US DOJ for doing exactly that. Most US monopolies just keep growing until the government steps in (Google, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon..).
And these companies have repeatedly ignored or found their way around all sorts of regulations. Moving headquarter country, agreeing in court then not doing what they are told, paying fines that they can shrug off like the deposit on a soda can, getting the laws changed. The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, a book, has an interesting chapter which outlines how much they evade governmental attempts to get them to follow rules other companies have to follow.
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Re: COVID Has Pitted Capitalism vs. Human Capital

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