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Re: @Meno_

Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:44 am

[quote="Mowk"]I don't mind so much the shallow people who do no more then graze at the surface yet think they've dug deep foundations. Yet woe am I as well. My house stands with a little dirt in the corners.[/quote


Mine stands less securely is my point.

Ref: "House hold" by Gary Snyder
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Re: Our house

Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:51 am

My metaphorical house stands cause I bothered to research it's foundations care, and chinked the foundation myself, cause well, there are just some things you don't hire someone else to do. I am sure the yardsticks I use as measure of the planets heath are quite alien to those that think in terms of war.
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Re: Our house

Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:46 am

Mowk wrote:My metaphorical house stands cause I bothered to research it's foundations care, and chinked the foundation myself, cause well, there are just some things you don't hire someone else to do. I am sure the yardsticks I use as measure of the planets heath are quite alien to those that think in terms of war.




And yet, some straggle the measure of that foundation by some reference to Nietzsche, forgetting the debt owed to some who he should have pre-figured, namely Heidegger and primarily Husserl.

Now that is almost axiomatic! Not confronting anyone, but some have to be eventually substantiated. That is why, I do not consider translating Kaufman et all a total dereliction of duty.
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Re: The heck you say!

Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:07 am

Fairly certain I haven't referenced Nietzsche, Heidegger but primarily not Husserl and never Kaufman.
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:09 pm

Ref: "House hold" by Gary Snyder


"Earth House Hold"?
by Gary Snyder

Unfortunately the house of my reference is quite a bit smaller and more intimate to me then our Earth House Hold is.

The choices I make seem limited to my influence of effect. If perhaps more made similar choices the big house we share would be on less shaky ground. But I am certainly not going to make up for all the waste our current economic and social practices produces. There is no way the small shovel I can wield, to fill the hole in, will offset the hole many many others are digging, one shovel full in, billions of shovels full out.
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Re: I am Turd, I am Golden.

Postby Mowk » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:05 am

Paraphrasing the Turd here:

I'm such an egotist and literally haven't actually accomplished anything. It's all Biden's fault, and all of ILP sucks, and Trumps dick is bigger then mine so there.

Hey Turd, do let us all know when you've accomplished something, even though the political wind ain't blowing out your ass.

And how's it feel Maia... to be someone's sock puppet?
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:52 am

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Well isn’t Mowk being full of provocative surprises these days.. :shock:

Either she and Turd are one and the same, or that is what she has let herself be reduced to?
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby Mowk » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:47 am

MagsJ wrote:_
Well isn’t Mowk being full of provocative surprises these days.. :shock:
Either she and Turd are one and the same, or that is what she has let herself be reduced to?


Did I take your bait? No, cause I didn't jump to a conclusion of your meaning.

And isn't this provocative.... Turd was a shit to you. Turd is still a shit that has every right to post under his own account, you never banned him, yet maybe he did deserve to be. So on the account of Turd and his behavior I support you, and you didn't ban him. He chose exile.

On the matter of Ecmandu, MagsJ started to loose her shit. By the time she got to me? If it were just a digestive issue she'd be prescribed Pepto.

Any member can chime in if I've pushed the point too far. There are still a lot of members here who's opinions I respect. Just not Turds.

Who else would you all like me to add to the list?
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:12 pm

From what I understand, Mags accidentally gave turds acct a permanent ban but she invited him to return with a new username. Or have my eyes misinformed me?
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:58 pm

WendyDarling wrote:From what I understand, Mags accidentally gave turds acct a permanent ban but she invited him to return with a new username. Or have my eyes misinformed me?

Yes, but with the same username and account.. The Golden Turd. :lol:
..though he didn’t post under that username for long.

He declared the ban was intentional on my part, and refused to return.
even though the exact same incident had befell other mods and members,
so an oops and oh dear moment, if you will. :oops:
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:08 pm

Mowk wrote:
MagsJ wrote:_
Well isn’t Mowk being full of provocative surprises these days.. :shock:
Either she and Turd are one and the same, or that is what she has let herself be reduced to?

Did I take your bait? No, cause I didn't jump to a conclusion of your meaning.

And isn't this provocative.... Turd was a shit to you. Turd is still a shit that has every right to post under his own account, you never banned him, yet maybe he did deserve to be. So on the account of Turd and his behavior I support you, and you didn't ban him. He chose exile.

I wasn’t baiting you.. I found Turd unnecessarily vitriolic towards me.
I saw no need for it, but he obviously did.. he had his fans and his haters.

On the matter of Ecmandu, MagsJ started to loose her shit. By the time she got to me? If it were just a digestive issue she'd be prescribed Pepto.

I’m allergic..

The matter of that Someone, is between me and that someone..
I have no intention of discussing that matter with anyone.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby Maia » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:34 pm

(From Turd)

I don’t check the website here much or go much in-depth in the conversations, but just noticed I wrote Mowk instead of Meno. I 100% meant Meno and all I can remember about Mowk is that he lives in a igloo along the McKenzie River chewing seal blubber, spitting it in his wife’s face, in the time honored ways of the Eskimo. But it seems somehow Meno managed to get insulted and Mowk shrugged it, so shit balanced out in the end. Reminds me of the Elasticity of Time concept from Farscape.

As for Iambigious, I never have nor ever will debate you and I’ve already stated twice permabanned, Carleas never said otherwise and Magsj 100% certain did it, twice. Her statements otherwise were lies, and this forum is known for attracting abusive moderators, who will sneak in and change posts, hide posts, random ban and permaban people to literally no ends. Nobody ever changed their mind or behavior in response other than to become more entrenched. Only mod never to offend was Dan, and that is because we elected him because he was not a manic douchebag. I’d need assurances the forum won’t lapse back into “stick up moderators ass” mode. Cause if a moderator anywhere, forum or real life approaches me or others with that stick I’m twisting it, and plunging it in deeper- just how the good lord made me. Philosophy forums should be focused on philosophy, not moderator drama. This site chased away everyone I was talking to on the side over the years and I deeply resent that backwards fuckery. None of this matters as I don’t care about your need to compulsively yap about shit nobody is willing to talk to you about, you are old, just focus on your dementia and die. That’s what old people do, right? Never gonna debate on the topics of Dasein or Objectivism until you read the Jaina text and prove to me you comprehensively understood it, since it has a better theoretical approach than you do to your own topic. Never ever ever ever will I talk about dasein, objectivism, fragmented sense of I with you until you prove to me you can do the work on your end first. I think it should be a prerequisite, and others should require you to read classical works as well and discuss your ideas through that context- I could hit you up with a dozen other philosophical traditions but want to see if you are even serious, or just another kid huffing and puffing.

As to Ecmandu- it is more than your schizophrenia that will block you from grasping this, but you always have curiously shown despite a broken feedback loop processing the info I’m about to show you, you have aspects others here lack that are crucial in a philosopher that seeks completion. Basically think of a feedback loop like a doughnut, and somebody in your case bit a bite out of that doughnut- that’s your brain, and the missing aspect is where all the fantasy, chaos and low intelligence inanity exists, but that’s you at your lowest tide and we all have weak points. I don’t say this as a insult, because I see in you someone who does drive to complete a product. Just it is broken syllogistically, and reason is replaced by obsessive fantasy in those areas you can’t process as another could. In the areas you do function normally I do believe your smarter than most, but since most of that final product is the mind projecting the product of processes you can’t anylonger process, is comes out wacky.

I’ll wrote my last post while walking and skipped over a lot of the geopolitics and rambled a bit- I said many other areas I didn’t touch- example the Egyptian-Ethiopian War that’s highly likely to start soon.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=henqcu4-sqc

Right now Ethiopia is in the beginnings of another civil war and the state is fragmenting. It has been for decades, it lost Eritrea before to Marxist, Ethiopia itself was taken over by the Dirge (the head of the WTO was a member, the one who backed China in helping to suppress the covid outbreak in Wuhan), it lost influence in Somalia and is going downhill- but it build a big dam blocking off one of the sources to the Nile, that water passes to Sudan and into Egypt at a time when Egypt is building a new mega city from the Nile to the Red Sea along a ancient Roman canal that travels east to west. If Ethiopia cuts off the water, Egypt sinks as a nation. Egypt has threatened war- but can’t easily move troops into mountainous Ethiopia, through Sudan.

Obviously Neoconservatives under Biden like Mr Reasonable want that money in upgrading either Egypt or Ethiopia’s military- Egypt will need to get Sudan to back it, or get Eritrea or Somalian autonomous enclaves to back it, but China has a base in Dibouti as does the US that can supply the other side with either Chinese or American weapons- or China and the US can aid say, Iran or Qatar to supply weapons of some type to keep their hands clean. If a war breaks out a very quick air war will occur targeting the dam- but that will be fixable- Egypt needs a massive ground distraction. It can’t project and hold ground in Ethiopia but can create a client state, but which will it be? A established state or rebel movement, and who will the Chinese back? Who will the Russians give token aid to?

You gotta be able to predict this in advance and be able to respond with a wide range of alternatives. Things don’t always unfold the most logical direction- if you recall Elizabeth Rose asked me a question about Obama’s Iraq and Syria war, and I said the most obvious point to strike would be the roadways between Raqqa and Mosul in the very beginning, and that was the very last place they hit in reality and I said once it was obvious they weren’t taking that territory the war would be dragged out a few extra years- into the Trump era. Reason they didn’t was due to political panic on the part of Obama not knowing if he wanted to involve himself in Syria and just focus on Iraq- but he spread into Syria with a air war and then special forces to support the Kurds- and we ended up fighting a two front war. The units Iraq had best suited stayed in defense of Baghdad instead of deep striking. A moment of indecision early on at a critical juncture caused the war to expand into a multi year affair and made a even bigger bloodbath of the Middle East- because of hesitation. So you gotta factor in political hesitation into this.

Thing is the Neocons don’t care who they will sell to, but Biden and Harris will do what the Chinese pay him to cooperate on in this. Neither China or the US can predict who will strike or counter strike first but they get the customers when the groups step forth with funding- China can better equip a insurgency but does have the ability since the Cold War to provide heavy infantry weaponry than can hold against mechanized units and helicopters and drones. US can better equip a military like Egypt with specialized weapons only a state can wield to counter aircraft and artillery- a weakness for Ethiopia (see the trench warfare with Eritrea they fought), but can just as easily supply Ethiopia, as well as train them in Somalia and Kenya. However I’m guessing Biden’s people are already betting which way it is going while making for allowances such as incompetent hesitation or mismanagement that causes the war to go weird directions. Egypt is most prone to this, but Ethiopia is easier to distract and weaken. Question is how many people can Kropotkin and Meno’s tyrant Biden kill before nobody notices we are even involved? And how much revenue from stock can Mr. Reasonable collect from these killings while acting all cool on the forum. A good case study for this would be the houthi in Yemen- Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a proxy war, but it is NATO, Chinese Russian weapons pouring in, while mercenaries from South America (especially Columbia) head to the region, while groups from Iran push in and also head to Venezuela. If Biden stops the pressure on Iran and Venezuela, what happens in Yemen? Either Saudi buying more NATO weapons for a offensive to offset Iran or suing for peace, but if it sued for peace it has Iran in the north (Iraq) and south (Yemen), and the entirety of its east encircling it, building bases and installing ICBMs in the peace like the Russians did during The Cuba Missile Crisis.

Every outcome requires the Sauds to panic and buy more to fight, and guts like Mr. Reasonable profit. Lots of individuals die, needlessly. The US built our military industrial complex to survive the Cold War, be the arsenal of Democracy, but now all it does is fund wars to the most dependable payer over the long run. That’s pretty much all liberalism is now. It is a brutal killing machine.

The goal of the philosopher is to comprehend, predict, and counter these developments, while breaking the back of other similar forces that incite this phenomena, stabilizing interstate relations and building a viable peace. In order to do that you have to understand the dynamics. Look at this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/vividmaps. ... world/amp/

Look at the nexus Armenia, Azeribaijan and Georgia hold for bigger powers behind them (Iran, Turkey and Russia) and think about the power base each of those countries can call upon. I noted it was triggered from the Obama administration in Ukraine when Russia was forced to push into Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. Now look where Ethiopia is, how many states surround it.

How would you diplomatically isolate every country willing to back any nation going against Ethiopia for Egypt or vice versa in advanced? Notice Trump broke the back of Arab hostility to Israeli, it has a similar situation. That’s where the philosophy comes in. You gotta have a much larger system planned out way in advanced. I’d also encourage you to look into the 11 dams built along The Mekong River, most of which are in China- it has devastated Cambodia- the liberals in that country backed China with casinos and political submissiveness and in massively backfired, now they have no river, and if any Chinese dam fails they all fail like dominos killing everyone downstream. Also look into the dams in conflict areas, like Venezuela, in South American Guiana (Dutch speaking moors), and in Iraq with ISIS. Each tried to seize or blowup a dam.

And yes, Kropotkin, increasingly it is liberals doing horrible shit. When I was a kid they were still largely clones, the democrats and republicans. I like neither, but can’t help but notice every shithead and sleezsball up to nefarious deeds went to the democrats under Trump, anything and everything designed to break the presidency was done from impeachment, mass censorship, media manipulation and propaganda, and when that all failed, stealing a election- and getting caught over and over. Liberals built a really nasty political machine that now act like the Nazis did, they burned down downtowns in places like Milwaukee, our onerous lockdowns on people, create and constantly agitate race wars that nodoby needs (as I pointed out, they happen in long held democratic strong holds, Republicans can’t oppress these minorties as they lack local political power, purely a dem operation). All this while Trump helped cure a global pandemic and brought peace to the Middle East and kept the US out of wars.

Yes, I have a big ego. So what? The topics I focus on exist outside of it, I gotta push boundaries and preform well above others in order to live up to my ego. I’m a philosopher, and philosophers come up with great ideas and induce fundamental change. Obviously aspects of the US Constitutional order is failing. Guys like Kropotkin and Meno (not Mowk) willingly indoctrinate themselves without ever asking the fundamental questions about their own motivations and what really concerns them. I’ll give you a example- I think it was Meno and I (might of been Mowk), I used to talk about Use of Force issues with cops, how to use Sim Rounds in training police and proper take down procedures. In South Carolina and Miami I saw a small handful of protesters use my arguments, I heard my ideas shouted out over a loudspeaker and was just in the back listening. They didn’t know I existed, but they took my ideas as I was the only one who formulated in advance (years in advance) solutions. Did they take root? Nope. Most use of force debates died off in favor of defund the police, then racial progroms, burning and looting and identity politics. Why? Finding solutions easy to implement PRIOR to the election didn’t do shit for the democrats re-election hopes. So Kropotkin and Meno went into zombie mode.

From what we can tell from most of the statistical anomalies in the election, cheating took place in the areas hardest hit by these liberal nazi like tactics. The people who could think switched over to Trump- but a shitload of people numbering in the millions still legitimately backed Biden (why?). Increasingly no reason to other than the grip media like CNN or MSNBC has. They don’t offer anything to the working class, they aren’t anti war anymore, they are anti-intellectual, hate the 1st, amendment, 2nd, 4th, the civil rights ones from after the civil war too. There isn’t a good reason to like them other than because they give you a sense of belonging to a group. Like I said, Kropotkin the supposed Anarchist is hacking a fascist movement. It is absurd. But that’s our reality. What the liberals were 20 years ago they are not now.

My goals in creating that new office (not to be held by me) is to introduce new concepts the break Marcuse’s Communist grip on the CIA and Hoover’s grip on the FBI. Both took over the US clandestinely in very different ways, and I don’t like it. Both had good reasons for doing so and have some sympathy but it still has to end, so I’m introducing new concepts into the institution at the beginning I hope can trickle down into larger structural reforms and constitutional change to lead to a more stable democracy, not too unlike what Voltaire though Machiavelli did in tricking a princely tyrant into producing a unified liberal republic. And that’s the greatest challenge as it will take generations. But I believe it can be done. A lot of philosophers from very different walks of life will have to come together to kill the liberal behemoth, so that democracy can once again flourish. Even if Trump wins I have severe doubts he can assure someone like him takes the reigns and keeps these people from holding lower to middle government offices. I’m talking careers government workers in the culture of corruption. I want the liberal state utterly smashed at the core.

If you are interested in Trump’s current goals with the lawsuits, I recommend Viva Frei’s talks with the lawyer Robert Barnes- he is the one writing the court filings for Donald Trump- Barnes is a primary trustworthy source of information about what is going on behind the scenes as he is the one actually doing it. Literally from the horses’ mouth:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m-YI7p8OClM

That’s the most trustworthy and best primary source on current election coverage in existence. You can’t do better than this. And no, Kropotkin can’t say it has been disproved or debunked, he is literally that lawyer. He is in the best position to explain his own strategy and actions in every state he filed in support for Trump and why. Trump asked him to do it.
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:16 pm

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We have an eye-witness account, and yet he still denies his demeanour towards me,
My personality type is not what you’ve penned me as, but I don’t take no-one’s bs..
so that’s probably what you’ve been attacking me on.. I am not a reed, I do not bend.
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby Mowk » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:43 am

but just noticed I wrote Mowk instead of Meno.


Problem is no one actually proof reads what they post; lazy. Let's just heap some more logs on the fire?
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:48 am

Mowk wrote:
but just noticed I wrote Mowk instead of Meno.


Problem is no one actually proof reads what they post; lazy. Let's just heap some more logs on the fire?




ouch!
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Re: The Kropotkin-Mowk Eternal War Paradox (from Turd)

Postby Mowk » Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:18 am

Meno_ see, Turd was full of shit. You are capable of seeing self.

Sorry, that didn't ring middle C like I was trying to sing, I was way sharp.

What I meant to say was I see the mirror you hold up to you, I did not intend any potential spin.

fuck I am irrevocably autistic, I got nothing.

If anyone is concerned this is the sort of bullshit I would normally edit, even delete , but you can't get rid of it inside.
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