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After Trump

Postby zinnat » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:34 am

Now, as it is clear that this election is almost over though not technically so i am now more interested in what course gop is going to take in the future. Whether it going to continue with trump's line or will take slightly less rigid approach!

Trump may have not won the election but it would be wrong to conclude that he does not have people's support. I am not aware of all latest numbers but my guess is he not much behind in popular votes in comparison of what he got in 2016. The difference this time is that the opposite side got all what did not go to trump, which did not happened in 2016. That is the reason why voting percentage is quite high this time. These extra votes made trump lose. His committed base is almost where it was last time.

Let us assume that he gets 47-48% of popular votes, which is quite close to half. That means slightly less a half of US thinks that whatever he has done was right. Given that, can gop afford to change the track?

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Re: After Trump

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:38 am

Trump did win the Election. There is no "After" Trump. You need to accept to live under him.
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Re: After Trump

Postby zinnat » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:14 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Trump did win the Election. There is no "After" Trump. You need to accept to live under him.


Your post does not deserve a reply. Secondly, i am not anyone's slave like you.

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Re: After Trump

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:19 am

I am free, can't speak for you although I have my doubts.
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:40 am

If they allow the Dems to steal the election the GOP will just go back to doing what they have been doing for years. The US will become a one-party two-name State again. The Republican right hand will whine a little but never really do much of anything while the Democrat left hand will push "progressive" "managed US decline" agenda.

All of the criminal activities of the Biden family, FBI, CIA, DNC, Clintons, and others will become ignored. Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and ALL news outlets will forbid any dissension. Discussion boards like this one will be coerced into compliance of "hate" and misinformation speech control mechanisms.

They will have to reignite Middle East warring or come up with another endless warring scenario so the US military can be re-depleted as had been done before Mr Trump. They will have to deplete the US economy again as before. And they will have to get rid of the US's healthcare equipment again (as Obama had done before).

They will increase the taxes, increase unemployment despite "creating jobs" - send jobs back overseas, reduce the quality of US products, especially agricultural goods. All products will be manufactured elsewhere. They will deplete their social security program while increasing their welfare programs. They will continue their euthanizing program (new "invisible" diseases will pop up from African monkeys, bats, or food markets in South America. Drug usage will skyrocket. Everything will become more expensive. The US will become energy dependent again (their extortion method for control over nations).

Basically the extremely wealthy will get more extremely wealthy, the poor will get extremely poor, and the middle class will again vanish. The deep state swamp will be fed a healthy dose of vitamin reach mud. Global socialism (pre-communism) is the goal and will spread over the entire world very quickly.

America will return to being the most disrespected large nation in the world under President Kamala Harris. China and Russia will of course help them with their efforts to decline and kill out the "freedom thinking" US population to be replaced by socialist minded ignorant slave stock and androids. And anti-America education will return to schools and university everywhere.

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Re: After Trump

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:36 pm

[quote="obsrvr524"]If they allow the Dems to steal the election the GOP will just go back to doing what they have been doing for years. The US will become a one-party two-name State again. The Republican right hand will whine a little but never really do much of anything while the Democrat left hand will push "progressive" "managed US decline" agenda.

All of the criminal activities of the Biden family, FBI, CIA, DNC, Clintons, and others will become ignored. Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and ALL news outlets will forbid any dissension. Discussion boards like this one will be coerced into compliance of "hate" and misinformation speech control mechanisms.

They will have to reignite Middle East warring or come up with another endless warring scenario so the US military can be re-depleted as had been done before Mr Trump. They will have to deplete the US economy again as before. And they will have to get rid of the US's healthcare equipment again (as Obama had done before).

They will increase the taxes, increase unemployment despite "creating jobs" - send jobs back overseas, reduce the quality of US products, especially agricultural goods. All products will be manufactured elsewhere. They will deplete their social security program while increasing their welfare programs. They will continue their euthanizing program (new "invisible" diseases will pop up from African monkeys, bats, or food markets in South America. Drug usage will skyrocket. Everything will become more expensive. The US will become energy dependent again (their extortion method for control over nations).

Basically the extremely wealthy will get more extremely wealthy, the poor will get extremely poor, and the middle class will again vanish. The deep state swamp will be fed a healthy dose of vitamin reach mud. Global socialism (pre-communism) is the goal and will spread over the entire world very quickly.

America will return to being the most disrespected large nation in the world under President Kamala Harris. China and Russia will of course help them with their efforts to decline and kill out the "freedom thinking" US population to be replaced by socialist minded ignorant slave stock and androids. And anti-America education will return to schools and university everywhere.

K: this entire post is based upon the writer's bias and viewpoint, not on facts of any kind....
and this is the problem with this type of opinion piece... there are no fact of
any kind in this post... it is all opinion and nothing more...

I can write a post about how people live inside the earth and they
are aliens and unicorn people and I can state this as OPINION..
because it would be devoid of facts... however how strongly I might
believe in aliens living inside the planet, It doesn't make it true...

now I can go two ways with this...either I can go on believing in
aliens living inside the planet regardless of the truth/reality.....
in which case I am living in fantasy land or, or I can return to
reality and accept the fact that no aliens live inside of planet earth....

which viewpoint makes more sense?

aliens living inside of earth or
no aliens living inside of earth?

with no facts to support my contention, I must admit that
there are no aliens living inside of planet earth.... I must
reside within reality, within the truth....or I will live inside
of fantasy.... and that path leads one to madness and insanity...

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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:08 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: this entire post is based upon the writer's bias and viewpoint, not on facts of any kind....
and this is the problem with this type of opinion piece... there are no fact of
any kind in this post... it is all opinion and nothing more...

I can write a post about how people live inside the earth and they
are aliens and unicorn people and I can state this as OPINION..
because it would be devoid of facts... however how strongly I might
believe in aliens living inside the planet, It doesn't make it true...

now I can go two ways with this...either I can go on believing in
aliens living inside the planet regardless of the truth/reality.....
in which case I am living in fantasy land or, or I can return to
reality and accept the fact that no aliens live inside of planet earth....

which viewpoint makes more sense?

More to the point - one opinion was on topic.
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Re: After Trump

Postby Meno_ » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:32 pm

And yet Shakespeare was said to question the fine line between conscious and subconscious reality.



"Are you sure/That we are awake? It seems to me/That yet we sleep, we dream"
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Re: After Trump

Postby promethean75 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:33 pm

We the people of the United states of ermerica do not accept these results and we demand a recount.
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:25 pm

The widespread censorship and propaganda on the US citizenry has already started (not merely an opinion).
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Re: After Trump

Postby promethean75 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:40 pm

MASA

make America sleepy again
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:22 pm

MAZA

Make Americans Zombies Again.
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Re: After Trump

Postby felix dakat » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:24 pm

Yeah without Trump's daily dose of lying in the White House you guys are going to go through serious withdrawals.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:45 pm

felix dakat wrote:Yeah without Trump's daily dose of lying in the White House you guys are going to go through serious withdrawals.

There people who are interested in truth.
And then there are --- you and the rest of the ILP Commie Club.
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Re: After Trump

Postby felix dakat » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:51 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
felix dakat wrote:Yeah without Trump's daily dose of lying in the White House you guys are going to go through serious withdrawals.

There people who are interested in truth.
And then there are --- you and the rest of the ILP Commie Club.


I love you man. Whatever you do, don't change. Okay?
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:59 pm

felix dakat wrote:I love you man. Whatever you do, don't change. Okay?

Don't bother to love me.
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Re: After Trump

Postby felix dakat » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:03 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
felix dakat wrote:I love you man. Whatever you do, don't change. Okay?

Don't bother to love me.
Love your Judge.


What are you talking about there Leroy?
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:23 am

And as fascism overtakes America, the Biden family gets extremely wealthy, and President Harris cowers in fear, on the more international scale I suspect --

China will ramp up its aggression into India, Taiwan, South Korea, the South China Sea, the Philippines, and Mongolia. Through extortion and sanctions they will enslave Australia, Africa, and America. The UK will be sanctioned back into uniting with the EU. Russia will take Ukraine, Georgia, and Belarus. North Korea will again threaten Japan. Iran will regain power and take on the UAE and Israel.

And of course other skirmishes designed to seal China's dominance and Orwellian world communism. I suspect that Israel will be too busy to stop them and no one else matters.
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Re: After Trump

Postby zinnat » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:29 am

Here is Trump's spiritual adviser Paula white--------

https://youtu.be/wkrnpX8ZsOQ

It is certainly manufactured but it is also clear what she is saying about angels are being sent from Africa to ensure Trump's victory.

There is nothing wrong in having a spiritual adviser but I am sure that she needs some advice for herself from medical professionals before advising trump.

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Charicatures

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:00 pm

Assuming society holds itself together....

The liberals will present candidates approved by Wall St.. They will either be slightly colorful and really Left PC like an Obama or a H. Clinton or bland, gray ghostly people like Gore, Kerry or Biden. During their tenure the richer will get richers more SLOWLY then when republicans are in power. They will continue globalization and the freeing of corporations from any oversight at all. They will allow and contribute to the financialization of business. IOW more and more money will be made by corporations through NOT production but via playing the market (Glass speagal came in under Clinton). Everybody always lays globalization at the feet of liberals but the corporations are the first globalists and the liberals are determined corporatists. They just makes noises about the poor and oppressed - whom they help increase, albeit slower, I repeat, than the conservatives are allowing and helping Wall st. and the corporations to increase. This giving them to high moral ground and superiority snobbiness that triggers so much of the population.

The conservatives will continue to play the 'I am a straight shooter regular guy' game. Reagan setting the ball rolling by actually pretending to be less sharp but more intuitive and then heading through the lovely Yokel impression by Bush Two and in a kind of bizzarro form by Trump. I am just a regular guy saying it like it is, always these unbelievably rich regular guys saying stuff that seems off the cuff. The Reps will probably next time produce their more gray version (like a McCain or a Bush 1), to cleanse the palate for the next Bush 2/Trump populist to come in. They have their own PC and own moral superiority, though it is less dependent on the hallucinatory worlds of Ivy League colleges and large coastal cities. Countering the lefts focus on guilt, the conservatives will come out with their tried and true shaming and what they consider obvious deontology. They will talk a nationalist game, while benifiting more radically corporate power and more openly undermining capitalism with more bailouts, less restrictions on lobbying and revolving door oversight and big gov via the military and intelligence communities which get larger every year regardless of who is in office, but slower with the libs.

Under both groups the rich will be held less and less accountalbe under the law. This has been a trend for a couple of decades. This happens via pardons and the way the courts actively free rich people from sentencing jsitified precisely on the idea that people who are rich and powerful are more needed outside prison and are less able to deal with prison. People often associate capitalism with work leads to money. But the neocons (which means both parties) left that model long ago. It is playing with capital that leads to money. And rich people do not have to even do this playing. They can hire other people to play with their money. Making microsecond trades (that produce not a fucking thing) carried out by AIs. Both sides like to have a handy military to make sure markets are open and to stimulate markets via wars and interventions. Both groups will bail out corporations too big to fail - read: interfere with the market's guiding hand but only for the rich. Both will continue to reduce the commons. They will both encourage the centralization of power in fewer and fewer corporations.

Trump had some interesting traits. He was real estate vs. wall st. type billionaire. Real estate and wall st. are not pure friends. They have a huge overlap, but real estate does like people to have enough money to buy property. They are also not ¨pure financialists. They need to build things. Rumors were that Trump actually took on child trafficking, but after researching I see a lot of rhetoric, but not an actually shift in convictions. Also no real undermining of cabals that was continuously promised to be in the news any day now. I think we are dealing with, in Trump, a black sheep of the family, but still a family member. Cousin Eddy should definitely not be the Chairman of the Board, oh fuck he is, we distance ourselves from this buffoon, but they'll all be hanging out again reguarly at functions as the Clintons and he did for decades and even during their family spat. The family consensus did not want his version of non-democracy dystopia, but he's still family. You really think they couldn't have taken him out if they'd wanted to? Jeez he never wore a mask during Corona and wandered into groups. Like they couldn't have given him a hyped up mutated corona, please........
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Re: After Trump

Postby Gloominary » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:25 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:I think we are dealing with, in Trump, a black sheep of the family, but still a family member. Cousin Eddy should definitely not be the Chairman of the Board, oh fuck he is, we distance ourselves from this buffoon, but they'll all be hanging out again reguarly at functions as the Clintons and he did for decades and even during their family spat. The family consensus did not want his version of non-democracy dystopia, but he's still family. You really think they couldn't have taken him out if they'd wanted to? Jeez he never wore a mask during Corona and wandered into groups. Like they couldn't have given him a hyped up mutated corona, please........

I think if you assassinated Donald, you'd have to assassinate the whole family and their closest allies.
The Trump family likely has mob connections and hitmen of their own on standby in case one of them dies in suspicious circumstances, as well as private detectives and intelligence agencies to uncover who hired the assassin.
They could take out a large % of their elite buddies if they wanted to.
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:48 pm

Gloominary wrote:I think if you assassinated Donald, you'd have to assassinate the whole family and their closest allies.
The Trump family probably has mob connections and hitmen of their own on standby in case one of them dies in suspicious circumstances, as well as private detectives and intelligence agencies to uncover who hired the assassin.
They could take out a large % of their elite buddies if they wanted to.

Nonsense. You obviously don't know Mr Trump's character type. Quite the opposite is true. The connected criminal extortionist would be the new temporary President shortly replaced by Ms Kamala Harris.

Ms Pelosi had made designs to be the first woman President but has botched that one (twice).

If it is given to Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden the US will finally become a true dictatorial communist regime. That might take a few years but is highly probable. And after a few years there will be a great many of the anti-Trump politicians, officials, and citizenry silently (out of fear) regretting their willingness to attack the only hope the world had for any semblance of freedom. Orwell's fantasy will become a prophetic reality.

Can you even imagine that cowardly giggling little girl Kamala Harris defending the US from Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, or Putin? Women don't succeed at chess for a reason - especially her.

With the US undefended by its cowardly girlish "Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces", what do you think will really happen when faced with Marxist and communist aggression?
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Re: After Trump

Postby Gloominary » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:27 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:Everybody always lays globalization at the feet of liberals but the corporations are the first globalists and the liberals are determined corporatists. They just makes noises about the poor and oppressed - whom they help increase, albeit slower, I repeat, than the conservatives are allowing and helping Wall st. and the corporations to increase. This giving them to high moral ground and superiority snobbiness that triggers so much of the population.

I'm not so sure the rich get richer and the poor poorer quicker under cons/reps than libs/dems.
Cons spend a bit less on the lower classes, but they tax the lower classes and small business a bit less.
Libs spend a bit more on the lower classes, but they tax the lower classes and small business a bit more, and they at least have a bit more revenue to spend on the upper classes and big business.
Taxes are progressive, but so is their circumvention.
From what I gather, the upper classes aren't taxed at a higher rate than the middleclass.
Most welfare is corporate.

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Gloominary wrote:I think if you assassinated Donald, you'd have to assassinate the whole family and their closest allies.
The Trump family probably has mob connections and hitmen of their own on standby in case one of them dies in suspicious circumstances, as well as private detectives and intelligence agencies to uncover who hired the assassin.
They could take out a large % of their elite buddies if they wanted to.

Nonsense. You obviously don't know Mr Trump's character type. Quite the opposite is true. The connected criminal extortionist would be the new temporary President shortly replaced by Ms Kamala Harris.

Ms Pelosi had made designs to be the first woman President but has botched that one.

If it is given to Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden the US will finally become a true dictatorial communist regime. That might take a few years but is highly probable. And after a few years there will be a great many of the anti-Trump politicians, officials, and citizenry silently (out of fear) regretting their willingness to attack the only hope the world had for any semblance of freedom. Orwell's fantasy will become a prophetic reality.

I'm not saying Trump is a full blown narcissistic sociopath, I'm not saying he's not, he's at least very egotistical and selfish.
He's also a pragmatist, anyone who wants to remain elite for very long has to be.
Being a realist means at some point you do business with all sides: reps, dems, and the mob.
The mob is so interwoven with big business and government it's impossible to be a billionaire and not do business with it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the other side of the aisle is any different.
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Re: After Trump

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:55 pm

Gloominary wrote:I'm not saying Trump is a full blown narcissistic sociopath, but I'm not saying he's not, he's at least very egotistical and selfish.

He is neither narcissist nor sociopath. He IS egocentric but not at all selfish. He is an altruist (or pretty close).

What Mr Trump is all about is his deep seeded yearning to be loved for his altruism. He wants to be a genuine hero of the underdog (obviously). He was probably raised on the Superman comics. Just look at the policies he has already imposed. He deeply wants to be known for his success - probably from a success oriented disciplinarian father.

You really don't have to be a psychologist to know that but you DO have to be a reductionist thinker and willing to judge only after you see for yourself (altruism). Then it is very obvious.

Gloominary wrote:He's also a pragmatist, anyone who wants to remain elite for very long has to be.

Successful yes. But he will never let himself cross the line into illegitimate success - his mother and father would not approve. He wants to be genuinely loved, not pretentiously loved. He will never go beyond what he considers to be a "white lie".

Gloominary wrote:Being a realist means at some point you do business with all sides, cons, libs, and the mob. The mob is so interwoven with big business and government it's impossible to be a billionaire and not do business with it.

What he has and is proving is that there are times when you don't have to be one, to defeat one.

Gloominary wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the other side of the aisle is any different.

They are VERY different. Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden yearns to be known as the tough guy on the block who you better respect or else. He has already proven that he will lie to extremes in order to persuade the public (has lost many political races because of being caught back when the MSM cared). He brags on his ability to bully (extortion in Ukraine). He thinks himself clever for being able to fool people through background criminal activity - trying to be respected by the mobs as their king.

One wants to be a champion. The other wants to be a ruler.
One finds a way to make an honest deal. The other betrays in secret.
One is a win-win negotiator (read his book). The other is an extortionist (read his history).
One has been investigated to an extreme. The other avoids investigation at all cost.
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Re: After Trump

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:22 pm

We went over this 2 years ago.

Trump claims to be worth 10 billion. The wall only costs 5 billion. If he paid 5 billion out of his own pocket, he’d be a hero not only to his voters, he’d have swung lots of voters AND he’d still be one of the thousand richest people on earth still. AND!! That investment on and of goodwill would easily propel him to over 20 billion! He’d be richer if he actually paid for the wall himself. He’s an idiot! Psychopaths don’t understand that goodwill makes lots of money, particularly in this specific case.

Trump is not an altruist by any measure of the word. You don’t even HAVE to be an altruist to spend half of 10 billion dollars! To keep your fucking campaign promise, instead of bitching and moaning about a republican controlled congress and senate when he took office. I mean... c’mon. You really expect me to believe trump is an altruist in person or even with the government? No. He never tried to pass the wall when he had control of Congress. His appealing to conspiracy theorists was more important to him than easy ways to pass through his big campaign promise. The only other campaign promise he made was to lock up Hillary ...! It’s laughable.

Let’s look at some real figures here. Trump refused his White House salary (400,000 per year) Sounds noble for a self professed billionaire ... he plays golf once a week in Florida and spends (tax payer money) 300,000 dollars a week on this crap! Paying the secret service and Air Force one and motorcades costs a shit ton of money!

Let’s look even deeper. I don’t wish death to trump, but he received 100,000 from taxpayers just for his Covid treatment.

Don’t give me this shit about trump being some great altruist ... that’s not even talking about his fucking greedy ass executive orders and court packing.

Let’s be real here. Trump has failed every business he ever tried. His father bailed him out to the tune of 400 million dollars. And he still lost that.

Trump is a mobbed up psychopath. That’s exactly what he is. Most presidents are mobbed up, that’s nothing new. The psychopath part is new.
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