A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:41 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:I agree with all of that except perhaps China has even more influence (and literal ownership) of MSM than Israel. But there is a much bigger issue -

Think about the nuclear situation. China and Russia are helping Iran to gain nuclear weaponry. Mr Trump is the only thing standing in their way. With merely a small limited nuclear capability, Iran could totally wipe Israel off the map - totally.

Is Israel so insane as to actually help Iran get nuclear capability? The few remaining Jews spread out in the US would get deep sympathy (something Israel always relies on) but with China running the US - ? Is there some kind of sustainable treaty between China, Russia, and Israel? That doesn't seem possible. But Israel is behaving as if there is one. What could that agreement be? World Order? With Israel completely gone?

Something just isn't adding up.

Jews have already infiltrated Russia, and are working on infiltrating China. I don't think they're concerned about physical conflict with Iran, in light of these Trump Middle East peace negotiations and treaties. If Jews can infiltrate China then they control both sides of the equation, hence why they are leveraging Dems and Repubs against each-other.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:11 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Jews have already infiltrated Russia, and are working on infiltrating China. I don't think they're concerned about physical conflict with Iran, in light of these Trump Middle East peace negotiations and treaties. If Jews can infiltrate China then they control both sides of the equation, hence why they are leveraging Dems and Repubs against each-other.

Israel substantially infiltrating China? That doesn't seem laudable. I know that is their normal MO. James pointed that out 10 years ago (saying that he could "see them on both sides of every fence" - ? That shook up a lot of people - still wondering what kind of fence post he was sitting on). But this fence? China? The CCP is extremely good at intelligence operations and security. And if Israel had that kind of infiltration, where were they while COVID was being spread throughout Wuhan? Where was the Pope? The Five Eyes?

It just seems unlikely that even Israel has that kind of infiltration ability. Russia is nothing.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:50 pm

Jews are just starting their infiltration of China, the last uninfected country and people of the world, which is why they not-ironically claim to be "the last Sovereign nation".

Look at Mark Zuckerberg, and his wife. Jews are just beginning their infiltration campaign against China. I believe this Civil strife in the US is just part of the overall globalist scheme.

Where is Zuckerberg's wife from... China, hmmm what's up with that?!

On February 24, 1985, Chan was born in Braintree, Massachusetts,[3] and grew up in Quincy, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston. Her parents were Chinese in Vietnam who fled the country in refugee boats.[4][5] She grew up speaking Cantonese and served as an interpreter for her grandparents. She has two younger sisters.[6] In 2003, she graduated as class valedictorian from Quincy High School and was voted "class genius" by her classmates.[6] According to a Facebook post by Mark Zuckerberg, Chan is a Buddhist.[7]
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:59 pm

So they willingly obliterate the US and put themselves in the worst jeopardy ever with Iran. :-?

And the CCP hates Buddhists - so no surprise Zuckerberg married one. Other American authorities have Asian wives. Authoritarians like subdued and disciplined wives. Why wouldn't they.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:52 am

I'm sure that much of the hide-the-fraud effort throughout the politicians on all levels is that very many have been complicit and even dependent upon the fraud in the past. Serious investigation would probably expose a very large percentage of American politicians throughout Congress and throughout the US (and many other nations).

But that still doesn't explain Israel - unless somehow Israel is a part of that fraud. They DO participate in spying schemes that are illegal in the US. They even sell hacking programs to whoever can pay. But putting Israel itself at risk?
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:16 am

Gotta read this, appears interesting , too tired to comment on it, just letting know of being invthe groove. Again I must comment on this .
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:33 am

obsrvr524 wrote:So they willingly obliterate the US and put themselves in the worst jeopardy ever with Iran. :-?

And the CCP hates Buddhists - so no surprise Zuckerberg married one. Other American authorities have Asian wives. Authoritarians like subdued and disciplined wives. Why wouldn't they.

I don't believe Iran is a real threat against Israel regardless of whether Biden or Trump are in office.

Consider the overall benefit, if the US economy collapses then global assets and investments go up in value.

Jews will still reside where they are a protected class, and that will continue in USA whether Dems or Repubs stay in power.



Jews do not like Nationalism and Populism, because these environments tend to turn on them quickly, hence the reactions.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:39 am

The bottom-line is, Jews distrust Nationalism more than they trust Trump's peace-deals in the Middle East. Nationalism is more of a threat to them.

What happens when a Heterogenous nation becomes divided, and Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism rise-up? Jews know this story and history, the nation turns on them.

This is also why "Trump is Hitler" and "punch a Nazi" are popular with BLM/Antifa. Jews are testing the waters of Anti-Semitism to see what America is doing.


Again, look to what MSM has done for the past four years. This demonstrates all you would want to know about Jews, Israel, Authoritarianism, along with the rise of China.

The people of the United States have many enemies now, foreign and domestic, who would straight sacrifice them for their own gain.

This is also why Biden cannot stay in power, or the DNC, because they will sell the American people out down the river, for a few million dollars. Biden proves this relentlessly.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:43 am

Israel, Neo-Liberal Jews (Chuck Schumer, Jerrold Nadler, Mark Zuckerberg, etc), and the MSM have proved their allegiances with the Fake News they unleashed this year.

That is their position, Obsrvr. They are so brazen and bold with their lies now, they don't even try to hide it or pretend to be "fair or balanced".

They are willing to defraud an entire Election to regain power. And they have proven what they will do if they do regain it. Sell-out America for a few more dollars before the Economy, Banks, and Dollar all collapse under their own weight. Which WILL HAPPEN.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:18 pm

What - none of you blokes celebrate Christmas? :shock:

Now I think the final play has been made in this war - extortion of the entire US government - "terrorism".

Nashville, USA Dec 25, 2020 - BOOM!

Want to lay any bets that high ranking officials, certainly the FBI, DOJ, Senators and possibly officials throughout the US were given a notice - "Do what we say or THIS will happen throughout your entire nation and there is nothing you can do to stop it - Trump SHALL not be your President!".

Notice that the bomb set off early Christmas morning in Nashville had a recorded voice (no accent noted) warning the public that there is a bomb that will go off in 30 mins. Then later a count down. All preceded by gun shots - to get attention. A bomb squad would have had time to try to defuse - but they didn't try.

Definitely not Arab or Russian. Definitely an inside job (don't hurt anyone and let it happen) but dictated by whom?

Obviously China has been given permission by the World Order Globalists to kill millions of people without repudiation (preferring the older people). Obviously Israel, China, and the Globalists prefer that the US be controlled under socialism - "freedom and liberty shall be forgotten".

What are the chances that US citizens and military will stand up against the extortion from the entire world? Apparently it has been going on for decades without letting the population know - always giving excuses while gradually practicing "managed decline" into oblivion - allowing China and Globalists to weaken the US in every way.

So for the US to stand up now against extortion terrorism seems not only unlikely but too late (despite Mr Trump).

What are the chances they will allow Mr Trump to lead the fight to hold onto the US Constitution? They did all they could do to stop him from strengthening the US for 4 years. Now is their chance to give in to the extortion demands and bow. They all seem too willing to do just that.

I doubt there will be any more incidents before they give the Presidency and their entire government over to their worst enemy. Perhaps if some Senators stand up to object to the extreme fraudulent election, more threats will be required - perhaps more bombs - perhaps just private threats to those Senators and their families.

Besides a bunch of Irishmen, who would actually stand up to that?

At this point I have to say that James definitely pegged it - Obfuscation and Extortion - the whole time and probably since the beginning of history. And he also presented a weapon to fight back. It seems that Mr Trump has been using that weapon to the degree he could wield it but has it been enough? Is it still of use? Or is this the game James declared years ago to be already over?
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:15 pm

"Unrestrained warfare"

Yes Steve Bannon seems that Jamesian kind of bloke - deeply analytical and strategic with his eye on the ball. James was more metaphyisical and never mentioned China directly (suspicious). But they both seem to know basically how the CCP thinks. And I think Mr Bannon is more optimistic than James was but then James seemed to be projecting into the far distant future not merely the next decade or so. These kind of people are the minds behind the players in this game.

Mr Bannon brought up an issue that I am wondering about - is there any real chance that the Chinese will rise up against the CCP? They certainly couldn't do that without a lot of US help. And with Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden or Ms Harris as President the Chinese would certainly get no such help. As Mr Bannon pointed out - these people already know of all of the inhumane activities of the CCP - they just don't care.

So from what I can see Mr Trump is still the only hope to avoid global communism. I don't know what Israel thinks they are going to do once the CCP owns the US military (assuming they don't already).
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:22 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:https://www.bitchute.com/video/1b0ZAQGdoBPe/

I think he got half of the story right (maybe 1/3rd). But look at it this way - using James' PHT principle - Perception of Hope and Threat -

The CCP Virus -
  • Blackmail is common in politics and throughout society - "Do what I say or I will do this bad thing to you" - Perception of Threat.
  • Favoritism is also common throughout - "Do what I say and I will see that you get rewarded in this good way" - Perception of Hope.
Those tactics to persuade and gain influence are well known. But how about this -

  • "Do what we say and we will see you and your family succeed in life but if you don't we will see that you and your entire family are destroyed. - Perception of Hope AND Threat.
That is more powerful - very powerful. But it doesn't quite allow for global influence until it can be applied globally. So we add a small essential feature -

  • "And what we want is for you to help set up this other person so that we can do the same to him".
Now the World has a serious problem - a viral infection of corruption.

The "invisible enemy", the CCP corruption virus, is led from non-essential people (i.e. the younger Swalwells) up to more and more essential and influential people (i.e. Ms Pelosi putting Swalwell on the Intel committee) all the way to the top (i.e. Mr Hidin, Lyin, Biden) - with an army of the corrupted - the entire governing body being infected - the brain and controller.

Yes people are dying from the CCP COVID virus (one of the threats to be given) but entire nations throughout the West are dying from the CCP Corruption virus.

There simply aren't enough Mr Trumps (immune to the corruption virus) to keep the body alive in respiration long enough to defeat the CCP virus - "The Swamp" of the West.

So what is the anti-CCP Corruption Virus (CCPCV) - the mitigation and vaccine?

Can the body of the West be saved when the brain is already infected?
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Jakob » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:21 pm

Technically, as seen from above, from eternity beyond all concerns, we can be seen to be undergoing the simple pressure of overpopulation. China is a representation of this, and as such it flows out of bounds not in a creative, discoursing and exploratory way but as simple spillage. Its an etheric spillage essentially as it is the lust to die, the will to be rid of this sordid, miserable pointless machination, which makes up the life without the will.
A will do die, for all of humanity, is implicit in this overpopulation.

So what can we do,
Will to Live.
Let whatever wants to die, die but lets make it clear that there are different qualities of life, broadly those that have had enough of themselves, and those that look ahead to endless millenniums of struggle with the eagerness of a baby hawk first spreading its wings.

Or we can just like, chill, and implement the US Constitution all across the planet.

I think its either. Maybe both.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:59 am

Jakob wrote:Technically, as seen from above, from eternity beyond all concerns, we can be seen to be undergoing the simple pressure of overpopulation. China is a representation of this, and as such it flows out of bounds not in a creative, discoursing and exploratory way but as simple spillage. Its an etheric spillage essentially as it is the lust to die, the will to be rid of this sordid, miserable pointless machination, which makes up the life without the will.
A will do die, for all of humanity, is implicit in this overpopulation.

So what can we do,
Will to Live.
Let whatever wants to die, die but lets make it clear that there are different qualities of life, broadly those that have had enough of themselves, and those that look ahead to endless millenniums of struggle with the eagerness of a baby hawk first spreading its wings.

So if someone gets COVID or cancer and feels miserable they should just give up and die or commit suicide? :-?

Aren't nations analogous to individuals?

The CCPCV virus creates social cancer - the healthy cells are converted into usurping useless cells getting payed but not doing their job even though appearing normal to the body (most of the US Congress it seems). The body eventually dies due to not enough body-supporting cells (perjury). During that time, everyone in society begins to feel miserable (the current US population and most of the West). The "body" (the nations as a whole) loses its "quality of life" and "will to live". Each nation becomes miserable, feeling hopeless (as a whole) - because it was given a lethal social virus.

So you are suggesting that all Western nations just go ahead give up or commit suicide because the CCP has infected their nations?

It sounds like you favor authoritarian communism. Joined the club yet?

Jakob wrote:Or we can just like, chill, and implement the US Constitution all across the planet.

No I don't think we "can". That isn't going to happen.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Jakob » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:08 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Jakob wrote:Technically, as seen from above, from eternity beyond all concerns, we can be seen to be undergoing the simple pressure of overpopulation. China is a representation of this, and as such it flows out of bounds not in a creative, discoursing and exploratory way but as simple spillage. Its an etheric spillage essentially as it is the lust to die, the will to be rid of this sordid, miserable pointless machination, which makes up the life without the will.
A will do die, for all of humanity, is implicit in this overpopulation.

So what can we do,
Will to Live.
Let whatever wants to die, die but lets make it clear that there are different qualities of life, broadly those that have had enough of themselves, and those that look ahead to endless millenniums of struggle with the eagerness of a baby hawk first spreading its wings.

So if someone gets COVID or cancer and feels miserable they should just give up and die or commit suicide? :-?

Excuse you?
Where did you get this idea?
Let's see...

Aren't nations analogous to individuals?


First error identified. Absolutely wrong assumption. A nation is an idea, a contract, based on location and language. An individual is a living, breathing biological phenomenon. Don't ever be sloppy with your analogies.

The CCPCV virus creates social cancer - the healthy cells are converted into usurping useless cells getting payed but not doing their job even though appearing normal to the body (most of the US Congress it seems). The body eventually dies due to not enough body-supporting cells (perjury). During that time, everyone in society begins to feel miserable (the current US population and most of the West). The "body" (the nations as a whole) loses its "quality of life" and "will to live". Each nation becomes miserable, feeling hopeless (as a whole) - because it was given a lethal social virus.

See, your premise was false so your inference is false. In each nation there are compliant masses who serve as a means to coercion and who are thus complicit in the crime, and people with dignity. Do yo not think the brave get beaten down? The difference is they get up, face the acidic storm because to lie down is to forfeit all that would ever be worth living for.

So you are suggesting that all Western nations just go ahead give up or commit suicide because the CCP has infected their nations?

Continuing on your false inferences, like a veritable Hegel or Marx, you drive your erring to destructive stupidities';
It sounds like you favor authoritarian communism. Joined the club yet?

You are literally saying this in response to me saying the exact opposite. I have a hell of a lot more reason to accuse you of the same, QED:

Jakob wrote:Or we can just like, chill, and implement the US Constitution all across the planet.

No I don't think we "can". That isn't going to happen.

Your line of falsely grounded thinking leads to a both powerless and senseless conclusion. Precisely because nations are not analogous to individuals but can die and be pasted back together differently and are thus structurally of far lesser integrity, that is to say weaker, the sovereignty of The People is not a concept that has met its ultimate consequence in the US.



What is going on right now with the absurdities of the lies, is government is reaching its limits. It is shown to be our ultimate delusion, that we can safely leave it to others to take care of us, if we pay them enough and give them enough license, its magically going to make greed and weakness go away for them.
Give them an inch....
well we've tried that. Now it turns out that was our negation.
So either the whole system closes down and goes into entropic meltdown or it allows the future to come in through the seams at the exertion of human spirit.

The brave are as Atlas now, upholding the future Earth.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:28 am

Jakob wrote:
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Jakob wrote:Technically, as seen from above, from eternity beyond all concerns, we can be seen to be undergoing the simple pressure of overpopulation. China is a representation of this, and as such it flows out of bounds not in a creative, discoursing and exploratory way but as simple spillage. Its an etheric spillage essentially as it is the lust to die, the will to be rid of this sordid, miserable pointless machination, which makes up the life without the will.
A will do die, for all of humanity, is implicit in this overpopulation.

So what can we do,
Will to Live.
Let whatever wants to die, die but lets make it clear that there are different qualities of life, broadly those that have had enough of themselves, and those that look ahead to endless millenniums of struggle with the eagerness of a baby hawk first spreading its wings.

So if someone gets COVID or cancer and feels miserable they should just give up and die or commit suicide? :-?

Excuse you?
Where did you get this idea?

It seems pretty clear to me.

Jakob wrote:
Aren't nations analogous to individuals

First error identified. Absolutely wrong assumption. A nation is an idea, a contract, based on location and language. An individual is a living, breathing biological phenomenon. Don't ever be sloppy with your analogies.

That wasn't an "assumption". It was an analogy. But I see that you are blind to such analogies. I could explain it all to you (a bit like having to explain the punchline of a joke - ruining the joke) just as I can explain colors to a dog. But it would be a only serious distraction. And I don't argue about color with dogs.

If you can't distinguish similarities then you can't. That should be on a psychology forum.

So feel free to "excuse" yourself.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby Jakob » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:45 pm

Obsrvr, you made a bad analogy and I called you out for it, showed you exactly how it caused you to walk an outright sordid path of defective reason, leading you to frankly evil thoughts, loss of faith in the human spirit.

Your whole underlying notion of Affectance is wrong, as quite adequately proven here. https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=196174
It leads to a very large-grained model with no nuance whatsoever -meaning no reality whatsoever. Reality is all nuance.

You call such things "the devil" as hiding in the details - you misunderstand the saying. It refers to the fact that the devil is in what you overlook, or really in the overlooking.
In a very real way, RM:AO thus is the devil; the great equalizer, equalizing by stripping things of their particular natures, their self-valuing.

Any one who isnt familiar, read through these 4 pages.
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Re: A World at War - Part 3 - Rise of China

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:43 am

Jakob wrote:Obsrvr, you made a bad analogy and I called you out for it, showed you exactly how it caused you to walk an outright sordid path of defective reason, leading you to frankly evil thoughts, loss of faith in the human spirit.

You not seeing an analogy only means that you are blind to it even though it happens to be a very common analogy. But dogs can't see color regardless of how common they are.

Jakob wrote:Your whole underlying notion of Affectance is wrong, as quite adequately proven here. https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=196174
It leads to a very large-grained model with no nuance whatsoever -meaning no reality whatsoever. Reality is all nuance.

I am sure I explained that conclusion of yours was NOT what James was saying - you have it backwards.

Jakob wrote:You call such things "the devil" as hiding in the details - you misunderstand the saying. It refers to the fact that the devil is in what you overlook, or really in the overlooking.

Is that like a blame thing? "I wasn't hiding. You just were not looking." Is it relevant what was at fault as long as better investigation is the consequence?

Jakob wrote:In a very real way, RM:AO thus is the devil; the great equalizer, equalizing by stripping things of their particular natures, their self-valuing.

Again - you have it exactly backwards. If you are going to criticize someone's theory at least learn it. I explained how you have it backwards - that James talked about infinitesimal nuances - infinitely small - hardly "granular". He even had a short video saying that there is nothing smaller that isn't just more of the same - NO GRAINS.

Jakob wrote:Any one who isnt familiar, read through these 4 pages.
https://beforethelight.forumotion.com/t ... e-ontology

Oh. So this is just about you promoting your own "ontology" - that VO thing.

I haven't read your ontology (yet) but going merely by what you have said about the one ontology I did read - you are looking a lot like Ecmandu - everything backwards. I only read a little of his. Other things seem far more relevant.


And what does any of this have to do with the rise of China?
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