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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:19 am

Actually, it’s constitutional that these corporations censor. Remember? Corporations are people? All that shit? They’re exercising their free speech.

How many times have you seen a sign at a business that reads: we reserve the right to refuse anyone

?!?!

Those signs are all over the US
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:24 am

You don't seem to be flinching at the gargantuan mistake you were making in your thinking.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:49 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You don't seem to be flinching at the gargantuan mistake you were making in your thinking.


How do you define liberty?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:20 am

I give you a solemn oath that I will tell you,

If you tell me first how you define monopoly. With honesty, our previous conversation is on record.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:22 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I give you a solemn oath that I will tell you,

If you tell me first how you define monopoly. With honesty, our previous conversation is on record.


Ok. Monopoly is controlling interest as private property of something we desire:
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:24 am

I said honest, Ec.

That makes the corner store downstairs a monopoly of those Chinese fellows.

Hardly what we were discussing.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:26 am

I won't waste my time with a million go's. I will not tell you how I define liberty until you fess up about the correction you are liable to make in the assertions you were making previously.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:28 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I said honest, Ec.

That makes the corner store downstairs a monopoly of those Chinese fellows.

Hardly what we were discussing.


That’s what it is. People are privatizing thoughts, people are privatizing water, media...

With controlling interests. With an economic majority stake.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:28 am

No honesty. No responsibility for your thoughts or your words.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:29 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:... answer me also, if thou canst, the amount of monopolies in communist China as opposed to the USofA, or even Russia?


Pedro I Rengel wrote:And finally, if it's not too much trouble, how many energy companies compete with each other in any socialist state you can find in your archives?


Alright, thank you... let’s do this.

Who’s going to be the next world superpower?

US ? Currently is

Russia? Never

China? For sure

Why do you think that is the situation?

Because China doesn’t give a fuck who you are, as long as the best ideas come forward. In America’s golden age you didn’t even need a resume to eventually be the CEO of an aerospace company! You were just the best person for the job. Now everything’s politics here.

Remember when I said that Xerox invented the mouse but ALL tech companies STOLE it!?!? And innovated?!?!

In China, just like this golden age in America ... they don’t give a fuck what you accomplished ... just that it raises their stature in the end game. America used to be like this, it’s not anymore.

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Your second question is about energy. All life on earth is about energy. In a world of good actors, energy would be set as a basic necessity, meaning AT COST...

With energy at cost, we can innovate at our state sponsored leisure and grow the economy. But no! People run around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out how to pay for energy. Also with crappy education. The US fucked up with a policy of “keep everyone dumb”.


I'm sure you can make this a lot clearer and make it into a definition.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:No honesty. No responsibility for your thoughts or your words.


You’re talking about capitalists here. Trump doesn’t give a shit. He does and says what he needs to do or say to stay out of prison. Stakes are infinite in magnitude for him and he’s hypothetically a president.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:35 am

Ecmandu wrote:Monopoly is controlling interest as private property of something we desire:

A monopoly is the exclusive control of a public resource (such as social media, telephony, railroads, production, interest rates,...) - socialism.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:36 am

I will do it for you.

A monopoly is what they have in China and socialist states, where states decide what is "the best idea" and task a single body to rule over any given manufacturing or trading activity. Not 25, or40, or 80%, but 100% market cap under one single organization.

That is a monopoly.

Do you agree?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:36 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I will do it for you.

A monopoly is what they have in China and socialist states, where states decide what is "the best idea" and task a single body to rule over any given manufacturing or trading activity. Not 25, or40, or 80%, but 100% market cap under one single organization.

That is a monopoly.

Do you agree?


That’s a dictatorship.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:39 am

Yes, monopolies require strong autocratic states without a doubt.

To give you stuff "at cost." Except that "at cost" seems to increase 1000% and also they can't do it at cost anyway, because they too need a profit to reinvest in things like maintenance, research, and pocket cash for the unforseeables. And heck, the dudes running it deserve a little recompense, no? They also must get a cut.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:44 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Yes, monopolies require strong autocratic states without a doubt.

To give you stuff "at cost." Except that "at cost" seems to increase 1000% and also they can't do it at cost anyway, because they too need a profit to reinvest in things like maintenance, research, and pocket cash for the unforseeables. And heck, the dudes running it deserve a little recompense, no? They also must get a cut.


I have no problem with payouts from investing.

Capitalism is sick though. There’s no risk/reward at this point. Just reward. At the expense of others.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:44 am

Still waiting for that definition!
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:47 am

OK, forget the definition.

Ecmandu, search your heart for all the honesty and responsibility you can muster, and answer me this: are monopolies a result of unchecked capitalism, or of state intervention (for the "good of the society," socialism)?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:48 am

Never mind, you don't have to answer.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:50 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Still waiting for that definition!


This capitalist game is not about absolute control, it’s about the appearance of competition. There is no competition anymore. It’s an illusion that you fell for.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:50 am

Ah, but you agree competition is far preferable?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:51 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ah, but you agree competition is far preferable?


Of course.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:51 am

The removal of those that make of competition a charade and place barriers to the free participation in trade, manufacturing, and the "capitalist game?"
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:56 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:The removal of those that make of competition a charade and place barriers to the free participation in trade, manufacturing, and the "capitalist game?"


What I don’t think you understand is that the way you define socialism (which isn’t correct) is also what capitalism actually does.

The United States is a socialist country. Think about your roads, think about public education ... we all paid for that shit so billionaires can use them too:

You are deeply confused about what socialism is.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:58 am

But answer his question. What do you think of those to prevent fair competition?
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