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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:23 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:And finally, if it's not too much trouble, how many energy companies compete with each other in any socialist state you can find in your archives?

And this.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:23 pm

Either will suffice.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 pm

I answered your question already...

Less than 50% share is still a monopoly in a world of fragmented (still) business ...

I also illustrated how only four businesses can set prices together to gouge the general public. (Anti-trust).
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:35 pm

I wanna say something else too.

There is a thin line between a conglomerate, a company that technically runs a business, and an investment firm or bank, a company that technically only owns it, but does not run it. How many businesses you can own is unfair to compare to a socialist (communist, grow out of it you goddamn commie) state, where there is unambiguously one board of directors that directly runs, controls and owns an entire industry. Between a place where large conglomerates can compete to the exclusion of smaller companies, and a place where the state literally dictates who owns what at its convenience, making itself the only real ostensible owner.

Even though i am not a fan of any restrictions, any government control such as the many regulations that create these mega conglomerates such as are now leading the oligarchic revolution in Europe, they are a far cry from "fuck you, mine." From China, where a government office decides everything that happens with, say, steel.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:36 pm

Ecamndu, that is disjointed to the point of troubling me. These are the questions:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:While you flip through your files to provide those, answer me also, if thou canst, the amount of monopolies in communist China as opposed to the USofA, or even Russia?


This,


Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:And finally, if it's not too much trouble, how many energy companies compete with each other in any socialist state you can find in your archives?

And this.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:40 pm

Commies!

Thee must make up thine goddamn minds:

Either the government should own and operate "basic" industries, whatever that means, or monopolies are bad.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Silhouette » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:06 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Commies!

Thee must make up thine goddamn minds:

Either the government should own and operate "basic" industries, whatever that means, or monopolies are bad.

Who constitutes government?

By the way, 29 of the last 38 posts have been yours. Is it necessary for you to take up more than 76% of the space? Is this an ironic display in contrast to the topic of monopoly?

Can government(s) be structured in such a way that they are not inherently monopolistic?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:38 am

1. Dumb question

2. My nickname for you is "tldr."

3. tldr
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:28 am

Pedro,

My question to you is very serious. What’s the difference to you between all these mega mergers and how you define communism?

Here’s the deal. 6 people own 50% of the worlds wealth. Is that communism or capitalism?

I’ll be awaiting your response to me and also Silhouette (silhouette asked you if a government can be formed to curb state run (from tax payer money) corporations - otherwise known as corporate welfare.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:30 am

It just doesn't sound serious. When I address your post point by point, then ask a question of my own, then you ignore it (why? I will let the reader decide), it just sounds like you are grasping for a way out of answering a very legitimate, well formulated, clear question.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:33 am

Fair is fair ecmandu.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:38 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Fair is fair ecmandu.


Alright. Give me just your two questions.

I’ll answer them both.

Just your two questions. It’s hard to tease them apart from your other questions. I just want one post with your two questions. That’s all I want.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:42 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:... answer me also, if thou canst, the amount of monopolies in communist China as opposed to the USofA, or even Russia?


Pedro I Rengel wrote:And finally, if it's not too much trouble, how many energy companies compete with each other in any socialist state you can find in your archives?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:48 am

To be clear, and I know you just asked for the two questions I'm sorry, I will address whatever you say after, even if it's the same thing you want me to answer now.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:59 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:... answer me also, if thou canst, the amount of monopolies in communist China as opposed to the USofA, or even Russia?


Pedro I Rengel wrote:And finally, if it's not too much trouble, how many energy companies compete with each other in any socialist state you can find in your archives?


Alright, thank you... let’s do this.

Who’s going to be the next world superpower?

US ? Currently is

Russia? Never

China? For sure

Why do you think that is the situation?

Because China doesn’t give a fuck who you are, as long as the best ideas come forward. In America’s golden age you didn’t even need a resume to eventually be the CEO of an aerospace company! You were just the best person for the job. Now everything’s politics here.

Remember when I said that Xerox invented the mouse but ALL tech companies STOLE it!?!? And innovated?!?!

In China, just like this golden age in America ... they don’t give a fuck what you accomplished ... just that it raises their stature in the end game. America used to be like this, it’s not anymore.

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Your second question is about energy. All life on earth is about energy. In a world of good actors, energy would be set as a basic necessity, meaning AT COST...

With energy at cost, we can innovate at our state sponsored leisure and grow the economy. But no! People run around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out how to pay for energy. Also with crappy education. The US fucked up with a policy of “keep everyone dumb”.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:02 am

But then you are saying that monopolies are good, not bad.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:03 am

More to the point, you are admitting that monopolies are a socialism / communism thing, not a "unchecked capitalism" thing.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:06 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:More to the point, you are admitting that monopolies are a socialism / communism thing, not a "unchecked capitalism" thing.


Again, I give you a basic statistic:

6 people own 50% of the worlds wealth and they are all capitalists. Look it up.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:12 am

Ec, it doesn't matter if you can take my queen. Your king is in check mate.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:12 am

Monopolies = Socialism.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:13 am

that is why I asked you where you learned about monopolies. You seemed unclear on the concept.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:14 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ec, it doesn't matter if you can take my queen. Your king is in check mate.


My game is much higher than chess man.

Take my king, they’re all shits anyways.

Here’s a link for you:

https://www.ecowatch.com/richest-men-in ... 65153.html
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:15 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:The problem with a capitalistic society is that it implodes on itself without socialism, Marxism and communism weighing in to balance it.

America has become too capitalistic, and in the worst possible way.

You are still not getting it.

And try to remember that capitalism doesn't say that there can be no social programs. It says that the economy is primarily (only primarily) one of free competition. When monopolies are formed (anti-capitalist) socialism (un-free competition) reigns. That is modern America. America is in the middle of a war between socialists and capitalists. The socialists want to control everything as an elite class of the extremely wealthy, free of any competitors. The actual capitalists are largely losing the battle to those who have been cheating the game and the US Constitution and its Amendments (silencing or paying off the opposition).

Realize that the US Constitution is specifically ANTI-socialist - NO single party controlling production, economy, or speech. Recently Google/Facebook and Twitter are expressing their extreme socialism by forbidding free speech. They are monopolies and anti-capitalist.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:16 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ec, it doesn't matter if you can take my queen. Your king is in check mate.


My game is much higher than chess man.

Take my king, they’re all shits anyways.

Here’s a link for you:

https://www.ecowatch.com/richest-men-in ... 65153.html


It was a metaphor.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:17 am

My only aim was to make it clear, about monopolies, as you were spreading misinformation.

You can go on and hate on rich people now, I don't really care. As long as you don't lie to do it.
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