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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:38 pm

Pedro, it’s not too hard...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career ... lies.html/

Kroger’s for grocery stores as well.

Disney as well

Etc...
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:39 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Where did you learn about monopolies, Ecmandu?

He doesn't learn. Just ask him. He just knows things.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:43 pm

Brilliant Ecmanud! We will take the companies on your list one by one... And see if we can find whether "unchecked capitalism," or state assistance, allowed the monopoly, or even if they actually are monopolies! Stand by for #1.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm

1# Anheuser-Busch InBev

A very large business indeed. Though you are perhaps unfamiliar with the strict regulations governing mergers and acquisitions, which basically forces out smaller companies that could compete for those bids, it is not required to delve into it as it appears that, at least in the US, their share is estimated on this website to be 46% of the market, which fails to pass our test of "monopoly."
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:47 pm

#2 YKK Group

Here listed: 50% of the market share. It seems to be an excellent business. But it does not pass our test of "monopoly," so we will likewise disregard it.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:52 pm

#3 Luxottica

this one is listed as controlling 80% of the market for eyewear. Fearsom of a monopoly as this appears to be, the feard Luxottica, let us delve into it.

Well, first of all, the vast amount of legislation required to operate a transnational conglomerate once again forces out smaller competitors that could bid for some of that market share. It also has a heavy share in prescription products, which are heavily regulated the world over, which means it is protected by very many states. It also makes extensive use of manufacturing which, again, is regulated and legislated in a way that makes it prohibitive for smaller companies to enter the market, though many do making "pirated" or off brand eye wear, manufactured in places where state protection is weak.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:55 pm

#4 De Beers

From wikipedia: "De Beers Group is an international corporation that specialises in diamond mining, diamond exploitation, diamond retail, diamond trading and industrial diamond manufacturing sector."

Your humble servant hopes it is unnecessary to expound on state protection of mining of any kind.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:56 pm

#5 Tyson Foods

Seems interesting, but again, "With 25% market share in the U.S." This does not pass our test for monopoly.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:57 pm

#6 Anthem

From wikipedia: "like other big insurers,".

If any market is more highly regulated than insurance, it is a government owned entity.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:59 pm

#7 Intel

This one made me laugh, because investors absolutely love to discuss whether to invest in Intel, AMD, or many others. despite the manufacturing sectors being highly regulated almost everywhere, we will simply laugh at this entry and move on. The manufacturing of computer components is one of the most highly competitive industries in existence.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Silhouette » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Well then, good sir, provide some examples of real monopolies, created by unchecked capitalism?

Quick question - I'm unsure of the answer but perhaps you know.

Are there examples of "unchecked Capitalism" that you can provide?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

Ok, let’s try Halliburton as well.

No bid defense contractors.

You seem to think that a number like 46% can’t be a monopoly ...

That’s 20 percent more than any other company though. And here’s the thing with ‘monopolies’...

Four companies price fixing together. That’s not illegal.

It only costs 50 cents to make prescription glasses ...

What do you pay for them?

With no monopolies, every possible prescription would be sold in supermarkets for 2 dollars each. Think about that for a moment.

One of the biggest mark ups is actually soda syrup...

It costs mini marts 1 cent to fill 64 ounces ... (2.50 price) that’s how they stay in business ... it’s like that way lottery machines keep bars in business... it’s a regressive tax, even, a sin tax.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

#8 Pearson

"Pearson controls roughly 60% of the North American standardized testing market" while this troubling statistic made me tremble in my boots, it does not constitute a monopoly.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

#9 PayPal

You musta lost your goddamn mind. OK, you tell me, exactly what is PayPal a monopoly of?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:02 pm

#10 Sirius XM Holdings

We will not even get into the specifics of if this company even is a monopoly or not, because satellites in space are more tightly regulated than a gnat's asshole.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

#11 Kroger’s

Even though all the mentioned regulations and legislation mentioned above for mergers applies, also none other than the FOOD INDUSTRY (thanks to all that commie bitching and moaning), You really will have to go to some trouble that there is a monopoly over grocery stores in the united States.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:06 pm

#12 Disney

You must be soft. Do you have the smallest inkling of how much competition exists in the HIGHLY REGULATED entertainment industry?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:08 pm

Now, though you did indicate a growing trend of conglomerates growing in size, this is all directly attributable to state intervention, and not capitalism, checked or otherwise. And does not constitute any kind of show of actual monopolies in any great scale. Compared, at least, to socialist states, where most major industries have only one single company in charge, that's 100% market cap, by law.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:08 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:PayPal a monopoly of?

Their name.

SEE!!!

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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:09 pm

Silhouette wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Well then, good sir, provide some examples of real monopolies, created by unchecked capitalism?

Quick question - I'm unsure of the answer but perhaps you know.

Are there examples of "unchecked Capitalism" that you can provide?


Sadly none.

But we are discussing whether it is capitalism, or state intervention, that produces monopolies. By comparing degrees of freedom of capital in different places, this can be satisfactorily determined.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby MagsJ » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:11 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:#10 Sirius XM Holdings

We will not even get into the specifics of if this company even is a monopoly or not, because satellites in space are more tightly regulated than a gnat's asshole.

Lol..

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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:16 pm

I had another point to make, but like MagsJ threw me off balance.

Howdy Mags. My offer to take up arms and lead a rebellion for you stands.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:17 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:PayPal a monopoly of?

Their name.

SEE!!!

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Lol, and even that is because the state outlaws its use by other businesses.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:19 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Ok, let’s try Halliburton as well.

No bid defense contractors.

You seem to think that a number like 46% can’t be a monopoly ...

That’s 20 percent more than any other company though. And here’s the thing with ‘monopolies’...

Four companies price fixing together. That’s not illegal.

It only costs 50 cents to make prescription glasses ...

What do you pay for them?

With no monopolies, every possible prescription would be sold in supermarkets for 2 dollars each. Think about that for a moment.

One of the biggest mark ups is actually soda syrup...

It costs mini marts 1 cent to fill 64 ounces ... (2.50 price) that’s how they stay in business ... it’s like that way lottery machines keep bars in business... it’s a regressive tax, even, a sin tax.


Oh yeah, I remembered. Before we address your thing, it's your turn now. Answer one of my two questions after the "examples of monopolies" one, which was crushed (you couldn't gather the time for proper research, I'm sure), before we go into any of yours.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:23 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:While you flip through your files to provide those, answer me also, if thou canst, the amount of monopolies in communist China as opposed to the USofA, or even Russia?


This,
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