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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:01 pm

You Yanks are so politicized its almost like a cult...
CAPITALISM =GOOD, SOCIALISM = BAD...
reminds me of my SHITthyself past...ahhhh beautiful days before I got broken and raped by SATIRE...my tight pink virgin anus...I miss it!!!
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:04 pm

phoneutria wrote:just want to reinstate for you polish
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quite rudely so
so go on and have your aspergers tantrum now if you wish
i won't see it

let me take you out on a date!!!I will prove to you all that stuff you wrote is wrong!!!I PROMISE!!! YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED!!! i am the nicest and the most well behaved person to the people that know how to behave and treat others well!!! and all that small D stuff and autism and ALL THAT!!! :-? :-? :-? :-? :shock: :shock: :shock: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:57 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:First of all, I must say that the Yanks are the most arrogant and ignorant and self-centred assholes I ever dealt with and your biases are extremely tiresome to deal with and seem almost impossible to penetrate with reason or scepticism.

This idiot urwrong is confusing the 'moral' middle and upper-middle managerial class with the bourgeois when it is, in fact, a proletariat also...which simply shows he has not even red anything by Marx and is here running his mouth like a clown that he is.As to the claims that the 'middle-class' is morally superior to the 'working-class'...this seems to me an odd and a quite ridiculous claim... first of all...the way you use middle-class is kind of nonsensical and self-referential because you use it in the sense of meaning good working Americans and the 'lower-class' being vagrant lazy bums with knives and black faces...secondly: there is no correlation between income and morality as far as I am aware.
as to the comments about SATIRE and nazism...because a man who has said Hitler and the Nazis were the last resistance of the true West and has said that every true Aryan should not consider Holocaust immoral and, basically, repeats every single neo-nazi conspiracy simply can't be called a neo-nazi...TRAGIC. dont forget about KVASIR...he also broke me at 17 and is still mindfucking me everyday alongside SATIRE...haha what an idiot :shock: you think this will do little autistic boy???you think you have me second guessing my own past and my 'masculinity' right now??? maybe you are LOOOOL

You lack three things:

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If you cannot defend yourself against Satyr, Ksavir, or those at KT, then you certainly are not worth another second of my time, weakling.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:48 pm

thats your reply???in a way you are much smarter than paGAYns on shitThyself...if you have nothing but a little deranged autistic twink brain it is better to not show it at all or you will either have to go into hiding or act like SATIRE...the deeper the lie...the harder to save face later...
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Dan~ » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:52 am

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm
So, i just finished reading this.

"Reactionary socialists" seem to be people that bitch about the state of things,
but refuse to or suppress revolutionary actions and political opposition.
That is too much work. They just bitch.

This above may be a miss-understanding / straw-man,
but if i am wrong show me.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:47 pm

What?
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Dan~ » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:07 pm

What will this new social order have to be like?

Above all, it will have to take the control of industry and of all branches of production out of the hands of mutually competing individuals, and instead institute a system in which all these branches of production are operated by society as a whole – that is, for the common account, according to a common plan, and with the participation of all members of society.

It will, in other words, abolish competition and replace it with association.

Moreover, since the management of industry by individuals necessarily implies private property, and since competition is in reality merely the manner and form in which the control of industry by private property owners expresses itself, it follows that private property cannot be separated from competition and the individual management of industry. Private property must, therefore, be abolished and in its place must come the common utilization of all instruments of production and the distribution of all products according to common agreement – in a word, what is called the communal ownership of goods.

In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand.


In short, monopolization is better than competition : Marx's theory on how to do away with the problems of competition, while not realizing how vital competition is.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:21 pm

Monopolization of what? You do realize using capitalistic technical jargon meant to describe elements of a capitalistic system to describe and accuse Marxism makes you look a bit naive and narrow-minded?
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:21 pm

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At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Dan~ » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:52 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Monopolization of what? You do realize using capitalistic technical jargon meant to describe elements of a capitalistic system to describe and accuse Marxism makes you look a bit naive and narrow-minded?

I look narrow-minded? I'm quoting Marx directly, here.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:18 pm

but where do you get the idea of removing private property or creating a monopolization? Engels clearly writes 'private property' as 'means of production' not private property as private ownership or anything like this. and the democratization of the control over the means of production by the workers seems like actually doing the opposite of creating monopolies since it would, indeed, disable a single individual from becoming somebody like Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffet, but its billionaires that drive monopolies not workers.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:24 pm

You know, this idea is not AS revolutionary as you would think...in Germany, they have a law which forces 49percent of the directory board of any large corporation to be composed of workers representatives(as it would be in Marxism) and it has been one of the most socially supported initiatives to date. You are trying to argue with me about Stalinist or Leninist 19th century Soviet Republic...
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pm

I am not a jag-off and I will admit that the theory, however good and genuine it might be, is far from the dirty and chaotic realities of the implementation of anything new or anything old anew through politics(as it did in Russia)...America is not suited for Marxism and it would end up badly if it was attempted in the States right now as far as I am aware(but the current capitalistic kleptocracy will end up badly also). I am not a Marxist and I am not advocating for it either, I am just exploring different things. As Aristotle said, a sign of an intelligent man is to entertain ideas seriously without agreeing with them. hope all the best for you friend.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri May 14, 2021 9:24 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:You know, this idea is not AS revolutionary as you would think...in Germany, they have a law which forces 49percent of the directory board of any large corporation to be composed of workers representatives(as it would be in Marxism) and it has been one of the most socially supported initiatives to date.

And that would be a good thing -- if those "representatives" were not corrupt often brainless union leaders. :D
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri May 14, 2021 9:31 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:You Yanks are so politicized its almost like a cult...
CAPITALISM =GOOD, SOCIALISM = BAD...

AND the opposite.

Then the biased media gets to decide who wins.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 15, 2021 4:04 pm

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I think Polish Youth got IP banned, and the sock-puppet he created soon after becoming banned, too.

He wasn’t Polish, and he certainly wasn't a He.. in other news. :-k

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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Kathrina » Mon May 17, 2021 10:42 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:You know, this idea is not AS revolutionary as you would think...in Germany, they have a law which forces 49percent of the directory board of any large corporation to be composed of workers representatives(as it would be in Marxism) and it has been one of the most socially supported initiatives to date.

In Marxism the workers representatives are always 100 percent. Ideally, however, the workers representatives should only be 49 percent - like it is in Germany, as you said..

obsrvr524 wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:You know, this idea is not AS revolutionary as you would think...in Germany, they have a law which forces 49percent of the directory board of any large corporation to be composed of workers representatives(as it would be in Marxism) and it has been one of the most socially supported initiatives to date.

And that would be a good thing --

Yes.

obsrvr524 wrote:-- if those "representatives" were not corrupt often brainless union leaders. :D

That's the thing, yes. I therefore propose that every society renews itself every 30 years in the sense that every corrupt person is replaced by a non-corrupt person. But this is only possible if it is controlled and the controllers themselves are not corrupt. In other words, at present there is no single possibility for this in the whole world.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon May 17, 2021 10:50 pm

That leads to the question of how to detect corruption - related to how to detect deception.

Certainly media cannot be trusted with that issue.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby Kathrina » Tue May 18, 2021 12:23 am

It is not easy to rely only on the mass media for information, so the information must come from elsewhere, but above all, one should be well informed historically and think for oneself (not let think, but think independently).

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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby MagsJ » Tue May 18, 2021 2:51 pm

MagsJ wrote:I think Polish Youth got IP banned, and the sock-puppet he created soon after becoming banned, too.

He wasn’t Polish, and he certainly wasn't a He.. in other news. :-k

:lol:

Nah.. they’ve just gone quiet, as they’ve been logging-in, but not saying anything.

..maybe he got-a-life and kept to his word, on departing from ILP’s boards for good.
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Re: what Marxism really is.....

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:11 am

"But one promethean is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because every promethean is only a worker like every other promethean; but it tacitly recognizes unequal promethean endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal prometheans (and they would not be different prometheans if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only – for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal." - K.M.
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