Fixed Cross wrote: Mastery, is really not describable in words. It cant be represented.
You see, words and representation are what the chains are made of.
We can blabber here and form nice sentences but only when we manage to truly contradict the structure of language within language (such as value ontology does) do we gain access to freedom.
Freedom is clarity before ones valuing. No excuses.
Contradict the structure of language within language (such as value ontology does) do we gain access to freedom.
Stephen C Pedersen wrote:Fixed Cross wrote: Mastery, is really not describable in words. It cant be represented.
You see, words and representation are what the chains are made of.
We can blabber here and form nice sentences but only when we manage to truly contradict the structure of language within language (such as value ontology does) do we gain access to freedom.
Freedom is clarity before ones valuing. No excuses.
"Words and representation are what the chains are made of"
Words are what we do, it's humanities idiom ergon (Aristotle's psychological term for unique task.) Words are what sets us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. I don't think there is a way to get past that and representation other than while having sex, or in mass, or in concerts, or in confession, in funerals. It takes immense connections for us to break that barrier, maybe it's not breakable though, maybe my examples are just scratching the surface.
When we read, we are essentially hallucinating ideas, feelings, peoples and places. We are masters of words.
Contradict the structure of language within language (such as value ontology does) do we gain access to freedom.
This i do not understand. Wittgenstein said that the limits of our language is the limits of our world. To contradict language might start to confusion and make us troubled and lost. How would it lead to freedom? I don't understand this sentence.
Stephen C Pedersen wrote:Society wraps us in swaddling clothes out of the womb and nails in a coffin when we're dead. From beginning to end, we are encircled in society. One argument is that culture, all that sweetness and light jazz, is the high point of civilization. However, is society beneficial if man has to toil away as a drywaller all their days, as a plumber, as a teacher, for as Rousseau says, as soon as one professionalized their passion, all sweet charms fade away. We're so engulfed in making a living that we forget how to live! Where in Rousseau's natural man, or the noble savage, we find a state of man more in tune with nature, and maybe more authentic to ourselves.
Is society beneficial on a whole, or detrimental? In the big picture of things, global warming is a cause of society so there's that whopper.
Stephen C Pedersen wrote:Society wraps us in swaddling clothes out of the womb and nails in a coffin when we're dead. From beginning to end, we are encircled in society. One argument is that culture, all that sweetness and light jazz, is the high point of civilization. However, is society beneficial if man has to toil away as a drywaller all their days, as a plumber, as a teacher, for as Rousseau says, as soon as one professionalized their passion, all sweet charms fade away. We're so engulfed in making a living that we forget how to live! Where in Rousseau's natural man, or the noble savage, we find a state of man more in tune with nature, and maybe more authentic to ourselves.
Is society beneficial on a whole, or detrimental? In the big picture of things, global warming is a cause of society so there's that whopper.
surreptitious75 wrote:We are always at the most technologically advanced stage of our existence
pinkladydragon wrote:Stephen C Pedersen wrote:Society wraps us in swaddling clothes out of the womb and nails in a coffin when we're dead. From beginning to end, we are encircled in society. One argument is that culture, all that sweetness and light jazz, is the high point of civilization. However, is society beneficial if man has to toil away as a drywaller all their days, as a plumber, as a teacher, for as Rousseau says, as soon as one professionalized their passion, all sweet charms fade away. We're so engulfed in making a living that we forget how to live! Where in Rousseau's natural man, or the noble savage, we find a state of man more in tune with nature, and maybe more authentic to ourselves.
Is society beneficial on a whole, or detrimental? In the big picture of things, global warming is a cause of society so there's that whopper.
I do not think you paint the picture as black as it ought to be painted. The current structure of society is detrimental. In fact, it is far worse than you suggest. What you have described above is a slave society. Do you enjoy being a slave? Does anyone seriously believe that slavery is beneficial?
April was the 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath...…"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself".
In short, if people are not free, they die.
Stephen C Pedersen wrote:Society wraps us in swaddling clothes out of the womb and nails in a coffin when we're dead. From beginning to end, we are encircled in society. One argument is that culture, all that sweetness and light jazz, is the high point of civilization. However, is society beneficial if man has to toil away as a drywaller all their days, as a plumber, as a teacher, for as Rousseau says, as soon as one professionalized their passion, all sweet charms fade away. We're so engulfed in making a living that we forget how to live! Where in Rousseau's natural man, or the noble savage, we find a state of man more in tune with nature, and maybe more authentic to ourselves.
Is society beneficial on a whole, or detrimental? In the big picture of things, global warming is a cause of society so there's that whopper.
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