Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag"

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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:17 am

you've returned to sadness. Doom and gloom.
What was it you wanted from the man? Tell me.
What is it you seek in others?
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:22 am

From whom?

We seek all sorts of things from others.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:23 am

From the man you seek appraisal from.
Strangers are poor substitutes for him.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:29 am

Ah. That man is dead.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:30 am

And yet it is still from him you seek approval.
A high evaluation.

When the man dies, the boy never grows....never goes through the rituals of ascent towards manhood. He stays there, retarded in its development.
I knew another man like that.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:33 am

"And yet it is still from him you seem approval." I think you mean "seek."

Yes. I try to live my life in such a way as that he would approve.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:36 am

But you cannot overcome the dead...because you idolize them.
They are no longer corporeal, real, imperfect. They are sanctified, after death....like a sacrifice.
A boy never overcomes....so he seeks alternative figures who substitute for him, remaining forever a child.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:36 am

It's actually fun.

I'm grateful to have such a guiding light.

But I think we all have the capacity to find something in our ancestors worth replicating, worth honoring.

After all, all he did was do right things that are available to any man.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:38 am

Aegean wrote:But you cannot overcome the dead...because you idolize them.


I've had to overcome certain things about him. But I have had help.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:39 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:It's actually fun.

I'm grateful to have such a guiding light.

But I think we all have the capacity to find something in our ancestors worth replicating, worth honoring.

After all, all he did was do right things that are available to any man.
No, you've idolized him.
that's why you cannot overcome....you cannot complete the ritual of ascent into manhood. Trapped in adolescence, seeking alternatives in narcotics, in father-like figures who take on that role, for personal motives.
Nobody loves you like him. Nobody will ever.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:39 am

"They are no longer corporeal, real, imperfect. They are sanctified, after death....like a sacrifice. "

It is odd, because it is in the corporeal, real, and "imperfect" (I find perfection to be more useless than useful in seeking) effects he had that I wish to emulate him. Or not emulate, that would not make sense. But, indeed, seek his approval.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:41 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Aegean wrote:But you cannot overcome the dead...because you idolize them.


I've had to overcome certain things about him. But I have had help.
Professional help?
Friends?
In your vulnerability, you can be manipulated. offered praise, as a father would....false praise. praise with a hook.
A father's love is tough love. He hurts you. you must resent him...as part of the ritual.

if you haven't....you are psychologically trapped.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:43 am

Aegean wrote:Nobody loves you like him. Nobody will ever.


Love?

Love...

He never knew me. But love... I think love is something he would have been disdainful of. I think that's one reason I had such an instant click with Nietzsche. Love is so all-encompassing and so, so like candy, it blinds to the real awesomeness of the universe. Or of life. Of what there is.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:43 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:"They are no longer corporeal, real, imperfect. They are sanctified, after death....like a sacrifice. "

It is odd, because it is in the corporeal, real, and "imperfect" (I find perfection to be more useless than useful in seeking) effects he had that I wish to emulate him. Or not emulate, that would not make sense. But, indeed, seek his approval.

Who substituted for him?
What needs did you feed into for him to offer you his fatherly presence?

Was it praise? Constant unconditional approval.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:44 am

Aegean wrote:A father's love is tough love. He hurts you. you must resent him...as part of the ritual.


Oh no, this I've had. My father is alive and well, and I love the old bastard.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:45 am

Aegean wrote:]Professional help?
Friends?
.


I wish. i don't really seek help from friends or professionals. Though from friends, I sometimes get it anyway! But not for this.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:46 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Aegean wrote:Nobody loves you like him. Nobody will ever.


Love?

Love...

He never knew me. But love... I think love is something he would have been disdainful of. I think that's one reason I had such an instant click with Nietzsche. Love is so all-encompassing and so, so like candy, it blinds to the real awesomeness of the universe. Or of life. Of what there is.
This man I knew lost his father when he was 8.
He was not known by his own father, in a way.

He stayed trapped in adolescence.

The dead are cleansed of all faults....distances purify our thoughts, if not memories then pictures, stories....

Do you seek his approval in strangers with their own motives?
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:47 am

Aegean wrote:Do you seek his approval in strangers with their own motives?


No, i don't think I do. He was far too distinct.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:48 am

Heh.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:50 am

edit

sorry, that was not a very good question.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:52 am

More than I like.

I prefer being underestimated and insulted.
It gets me interested. Otherwise...I'm too laid back. Don't give a shit about whiggers or morons using word-games to self-praise.
but it does insult by aesthetics.
it's...rude.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:53 am

HAHAHAHahahahahahahahahaha!

I think I know the feeling.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:53 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Aegean wrote:Do you seek his approval in strangers with their own motives?


No, i don't think I do. He was far too distinct.
Then it is to distinguish yourself, out of his shadow that you crave?
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:55 am

No, I don't crave distinction. I already have it.

It also isn't very shadowy.
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Re: Hebrew Man in the Land of Halloween... "An American Snag

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:00 am

"I prefer being underestimated and insulted.
It gets me interested. Otherwise...I'm too laid back."

I guess in this modern world, where mediocrity is the norm, at least insults and underestimating challenges offer something solid? Concrete? Something to react to other than the miasma of nothingness?
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