Pedro I Rengel wrote:And yes, the Netherlands are probably the closest Europe has to this ethos. Probably linked to their long and bloody struggle to be free of the Spanish and the Catholic church. They fought it for so long Freedom itself, without the freedom from, became a thing.
But not until the gringos, God bless the beautiful bastards, was it explicitly formulated as a pathos. A need. A God given right. The greatest gift of all.
The thing to be protected, at all costs, to the death, to the point of becoming a superpower that dwarfs all other nations with the only goal of ensuring nobody fucks with it.
Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm just gonna attack my own weak spot here, because I ain't see nobody capable of even noticing it.
The only thing that can associate Nazism and Fascism to the right is the militarism. The almost sensual love for all things military. Military uniform fetish.
The US is the cure for this. Proof of how effective that cure is is how disdainful all the Europeans were of the US military during WW2. Gringo soldiers are very ironic and cynical about martial feelings. It's like they think of it all as a joke, but within that joke they will be damned if they don't put together the most effective killing force in the history of mankind. Cause they have to, cause if not the fucking nazis take over.
Individuals, weirdly, somehow, through that ironic humor, survive and exist within the US military. Not so, very much not so Nazi military.
Anyway, your welcome. think on this and come at me in a bit with an actual meaningful attack.
Pedro I Rengel wrote:And yes, the Netherlands are probably the closest Europe has to this ethos. Probably linked to their long and bloody struggle to be free of the Spanish and the Catholic church. They fought it for so long Freedom itself, without the freedom from, became a thing.
But not until the gringos, God bless the beautiful bastards, was it explicitly formulated as a pathos. A need. A God given right. The greatest gift of all.
The thing to be protected, at all costs, to the death, to the point of becoming a superpower that dwarfs all other nations with the only goal of ensuring nobody fucks with it.
Pedro I Rengel wrote:"to the death."
Sure, but you know, gringos are also the dudes that came up with this:
"Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. They won it by making the other bastard die for HIS!"
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Is Jay-Z part of a or the business elite?
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Gloominary wrote:Pedro I Rengel wrote:Yeah, fuck it, I stick by that. Business elite is a term that refers to corporatism, not entrepreneurship. There is crossover, so the term works, but not an actual correspondence.
Capitalism itself is a kind of exploitation, in that when the means of production is made more efficient via advancements in automation and energy production, rather than capitalists sharing some of the spoils with workers, they lay them off, and later rehire them to do increasingly meaningless work.
I say meaningless because most or much of the meaningful work (taking care of societies necessities, and even its natural wants if you will) has been taken by machines, giving way to a consumerism (created wants) that largely benefits capitalists, ruining our health and the health of the planet in the process.
And the process of obsolescence, laying off and rehiring continues.
economic growth used to be a good thing, but it's become the enemy of the people and the environment.
Furthermore, the left argues unbridled capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism, and I agree.
And we've had corporatism for decades.
It's not enough to simply remove the corruption in place, the elite have been getting richer off of it for over a century.
They owe us trillions of dollars in reparations.
Regarding the exploitation thing: yeah, ok, so what? I was not even remotely talking about this. What's with the pivot?
Regarding the corporatism: actually if you look at the history of the thing, all regulatory innitiatives and creation of corporatist bodies, here referring to bodies constituted by the State to participate in free enterprise and capitalistic activities, are undertaken in the name of some leftist aim: regulating the economy somehow to protect the vulnerable. See: fanny May and Freddy Mac.
Anyway, like I been saying, right wing politics is not about building a perfectc system from the bottom up. we leave that genocidal project to the left. The right is about working with what is there for the benefit of all.
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Negus, I never mentioned exploitation.
That's not even remotely related to what we were talking about. It's not that you can't bring in some other thing, it's the way you popped it in like that's what we were talking about all along.
That's how you know there is an agenda at work.
Propaganda 101
Why not? Slip class in there as well.
Mr Reasonable wrote:Pedro I Rengel wrote:The main, only real difference really between leftists and right wingers is that leftists see politics as the pursuit of attaining a perfect society, whilst right wingers see politics as a means to deal with what's actually out there.
I don't go too deep with it. I think that in the context of American politics, the left wants the poor to eat, and the right wants the rich to eat the poor.
Silhouette wrote:Basically, countries are producing more per person when they are taxed more, proving that the left are objectively correct in trusting government over capitalists to get the best out of everyone.
Basically the right is statistically overwhelmingly wrong in its approach to whatever it's trying to achieve, and just slowing things down and making things worse for everyone.
Makes me angry.
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