Hurricane Sandy: Be Thankful

[James S Saint]

Well of course the govt hounds have front sites thats a gimme. All hounds throughout the world have sites I want a paper trail of money give me a link to govt expenditure pertaining to this.

Show me proof of the secret else I will maintain it?

Emmm..

[Mainstream]

Lol. Both of you.

Yes it matters.

And I want a million dollars.

only you would care more about the source of information than whether it was true or not

Circular. We haven't shown it's valid information.

[captaincrunk]

Lol. Both of you.

Yes it matters.

And I want a million dollars.

only you would care more about the source of information than whether it was true or not

Circular. We haven't shown it's valid information.

actually given phyllo's studies and how he corroborates the info, right now it's in relatively good standing. Again, you're the one making the claims here. That means you're the one with the burden of proof.

[Mainstream]

This was after I had already acknowledged such testing.

So you asked me to provide evidence of the government spraying people even though you acknowledged that the government sprays people?

Hmm. I don't think that makes any sense, Tentative.

[Kriswest]

Well of course the govt hounds have front sites thats a gimme. All hounds throughout the world have sites I want a paper trail of money give me a link to govt expenditure pertaining to this.

Show me proof of the secret else I will maintain it?

Emmm..

Money trails are the most indisputable proof. This conspiracy is supposed to be large the expenditures will not be hidden easily. Think about the shopping list for this. Walgreens can't cover it. Figuring out what would be on the shopping list would not be difficult. Its the small unthought of things that start a trail. So something this big has a distinct govt money trail.

[Mainstream]

actually given phyllo's studies and how he corroborates the info, right now it's in relatively good standing.

Not really. He's trying to say cloud seeding is chemtrailing, which I don't think is right. As I said, even your CIAtrail science says that cloud seeding cannot be seen in the way that chemtrails can, so I don't see why he is making that comparison at all.

Plus he didn't explain how the spraying was turned off and on.

You have to think about this stuff for real. You cannot just read stuff that sounds half-way correct and then just go with it because you don't want to believe things that are not pleasing. That is the whole reason CIAtrail science, a website with no advertising and 8-hour a day work put into it, exists in the first place.

[Mainstream]

This conspiracy is supposed to be large the expenditures will not be hidden easily.

You must have missed the post where the government admits to spending 5 billion dollars on chemtrailing.

[Kriswest]

What page?

[Mainstream]

I dunno. 5? I'm not sure. It's a video.

Here's a video that confirms the weather can be altered. As if there was ever any question lol.

[statiktech]

Not really. He's trying to say cloud seeding is chemtrailing, which I don't think is right. As I said, even your CIAtrail science says that cloud seeding cannot be seen in the way that chemtrails can, so I don't see why he is making that comparison at all.

It seemed like you were making that comparison. That's why I was differentiating between the two.

Plus he didn't explain how the spraying was turned off and on.

It wasn't. What you're seeing is the size and shape of the cloud changing.

[Mainstream]

Seeing as I'm positive no on here knows this, I'm going to fill you in on a military tactic:

Any time the government comes out and says 'We're exploring the possibility of,' it means they have already explored the possibility extensively, and are now introducing the idea to the public for a reaction.

If you think all of this stuff you hear about in press releases is accurate, that is incredibly naive. The military is light years ahead of what the public thinks possible technologically. Even non-conspiracy theorists (well anyone who is military) will admit this openly.

In this case it's further compounded by the fact that this stuff was created over a half a century ago.

Also, one more thing, if you truly try to study 'contrail/chemtrail' science, you will never figure it out without looking into Reich's work. In fact, I would go so far as to say that I don't blame most people (who only became aware of this post 2008, as 2001-2007 it was insanely obvious but then they changed it up a bit) who buy into the contrail science line. Without the missing orgone piece of the puzzle most people are going to get lost.

[Mainstream]

It wasn't. What you're seeing is the size and shape of the cloud changing.

I have my doubts as to the legitimacy of that video (they just happen to catch all of this) but I don't buy that explanation. It just abruptly shuts off. Plus they aren't even in clouds.

[Mainstream]

Time for a Reich story time,

When Reich was playing around with altering the weather with his chembuster, one day he decided to try putting either uranium or plutonium or some radioactive type material into the cloud buster. He turns a bunch of clouds purple and the military was called.

Let me just reinforce that they BURNED all of his books and allowed him to die in jail.

[Kriswest]

Found it and found interesting possibles by nit picking words two sites popped up I will go over them.

[tentative]

This was after I had already acknowledged such testing.

So you asked me to provide evidence of the government spraying people even though you acknowledged that the government sprays people?

Hmm. I don't think that makes any sense, Tentative.

Thataboy Gobbo! Keep playing slip and slide! And where is your response to my clarification? Do you have evidence that the spraying continues to this day? I mean, beyond conspiracy conjecture?

[phyllo]

Not really. He's trying to say cloud seeding is chemtrailing, which I don't think is right.

No I'm not. You haven't provided a case of a real aircraft laying down a chemtrail yet. Your video showed condensation forming on the upper wing of a KC-10 tanker and streaming off. The news report analyzed a water sample with nothing unusual in it.

Cloud seeding is used to induce rain or postpone rain when desired. It's a crude form of weather control.

Governments have sprayed people with toxic chemicals, in the past,thorough ignorance, negligence or with malicious intent. That doesn't mean that any aircraft flying overhead is intentionally spraying something.

So what prevents someone from flying through a chemtrail, getting an air sample and having it analyzed? It would cost a bit of money to rent the airplane and pay the lab but it's doable.

[Mainstream]

They have done testing like that. Look it up, man. Stop asking me to provide every little bit of evidence. This isn't my job; I'm just here talking.

Your video showed condensation forming on the upper wing of a KC-10 tanker and streaming off.

Evidence is subjective. I see (more so) a plane spraying stuff. Your counterargument is 'That's not how cloud seeding works.' To which I have said twice now, why are you talking about cloud seeding? What real argument do you have that this isn't a spray plane? You're just blindly asserting it's not with some irrelevant link to cloud seeding planes and how they spray their load.

In the main,

You guys are asking for evidence that, if I had it (assuming I am correct and there is a project) I would be dead. Well, maybe not now, but maybe prior to 2008, as now they want people like me to acclimatize people like you to this reality. The point is, looking for the 'smoking gun' is just childish and naive. The type of proof that would satisfy you is to have some person explicitly lay it out on a mainstream news outlet. Not going to happen. I do have Holdren confirming that weather control is possible on a mainstream news outlet, though.

So if you want to see planes spraying chemtrails, then just look up into the sky. It happens every day, especially in the US.

Stop asking me for the wrong type of evidence. I mean you guys gotta learn to conspiracy a little bit. I don't go into the philosophy forum asking for a link to 'truth.'

Also, if you really want to know so badly, just wait a couple years. I can assure you eventually they'll come up and give you the type of evidence you require. Freedom of speech, and thus, me, may not be around, but you guys will see the evidence you're looking for eventually.

[phyllo]

They have done testing like that. Look it up, man. Stop asking me to provide every little bit of evidence. This isn't my job; I'm just here talking.

If I look it up then I'll just be sent directly to the CIA misinformation sites. You know where the legit evidence is, so you should guide us.

So if you want to see planes spraying chemtrails, then just look up into the sky. It happens every day, especially in the US.

I've seen lots of contrails but I've never seen a checker board pattern, or trails that last a whole day, or planes flying a suspicious pattern. Maybe they don't spray in my city.

Also, if you really want to know so badly, just wait a couple years. I can assure you eventually they'll come up and give you the type of evidence you require. Freedom of speech, and thus, me, may not be around, but you guys will see the evidence you're looking for eventually.

Can we afford to wait?
Now is the time to get to the bottom of this.

[Mainstream]

Can we afford to wait?

That is some potent feigned seriousness there.

I'm kind of getting bored of this. I might make another Reich thread. Talking about him will be more productive than going around in circles with chemtrails.

We've reached that point where I've supplied mostly what was asked for. You guys just keep adapting your stance to fit what is convenient.

At least CC went from patently believing weather control is possible to admitting that it is.

[captaincrunk]

At least CC went from patently believing weather control is possible to admitting that it is.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said quite clearly that it isn't. Also your sentence is broken anyway.

[statiktech]

We've reached that point where I've supplied mostly what was asked for. You guys just keep adapting your stance to fit what is convenient.

C'mon dude. I don't think you really believe any of that.

[Mainstream]

I gave you enough pieces to put it together: invented by Reich and then government stole it, perfected it, treaty was drafted, ~2002 chemtrails starts up. Some claim with the couple trillion that went 'missing' the day before 9/11, worldwide spraying. Documents of government's willingness to spray. Video of a potential spray plane. Spraying in the days preceding Sandy. Sandy is a weird unlikely mixture of 3 storms that just happens to come together.

I can only show you the door.

[captaincrunk]

I gave you enough pieces to put it together: invented by Reich and then government stole it, perfected it, treaty was drafted, ~2002 chemtrails starts up. Some claim with the couple trillion that went 'missing' the day before 9/11, worldwide spraying. Documents of government's willingness to spray. Video of a potential spray plane. Spraying in the days preceding Sandy. Sandy is a weird unlikely mixture of 3 storms that just happens to come together.

I can only show you the door.

couple trillion what?

[Moreno]

yesterday we had the first sun for about a week. Then planes started doing crosshatch patterns in the sky with very dense trails. My wife took a series of photos and caught a good deal of this. The trails spread and formed a huge rectangular 'cloud'. From then on we had a cloudy day. Where we are there is no dearth of precipitation. No one needs rain or grayness here. In fact we are all likely running on vitamin D deficiencies and most home owners are dealing with basement seepage and wood rot. There is no possible beneficial weather justification for this where I am in a non-growing wet season. So we get yet another overcast day as part of, at the very best, someone's intended to be beneficial experimentation on us, the earth, something. Nothing is reported in the media, even when reporters are approached about it. Weather authorities claim not to notice the phenomenon, despite its regularity.

OK, I am assured by the intuitive skeptics that this is not a conspiracy and no one has bad intent.

What an expensive secret for something beneficial or neutral.

[Mainstream]

This summer in Vancouver there were like 6 sunny days. It was so bad I even started complaining on ILP about it.

Think about it, dude. Think about how much money is made. No one makes money when it's sunny except for farmers, and we have GMO companies for food now, so we don't want farmers. When it's overcast everyone drinks more coffee, takes more pills, drinks more, goes out more. What happens when it's sunny? People are healthy, sure, but they go to the beach. Fuck the beach. The beach doesn't make money for big corporations.

The thing that gets me is that if stupid old Gobbo can sit here and just think this stuff up, then I'm near-positive that people smarter than me are putting this logic into action. Why not fuck with the weather if you're going to make money? I mean actually ask yourself that: in what dimension of possibility would corporate interests not fuck with the weather if they had the power to? There literally is no such dimension. If they can, they will. Making money is pretty much the sole reason why anything happens. Just follow the cash. That's how I initially woke up to 9/11. All the building stuff is a complete distraction. The money trail is clear as Windex.

Anyway, I treat sunny days like a religious experience. I try not to focus on the negatives, but I could easily see a day when literally people live and die without seeing the sun. It'll be something reserved for the sun cults or some bullshit like that where you have to live in one of those upper atmosphere God cities to witness sunlight.

When it's out, I cherish it. Who knows what will happen.