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My Enemy's Enemy

Postby Vittorio » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:59 pm

My Enemy's Enemy. It is an incredibly hard movie to find, but I was able to find it. I would not like to post that here, but if you would like a download link, pm me.

It is an incredibly good movie. Even though it is directed by a communist, the research is outstanding and the story as well.

It is interesting that when the psychopath nazi serial killer is finally caught and brought to justice, largely on the testimony of his victims (their families and the few that survived), that is when the director chooses a sympathetic view. I believe communists are not very much bothered by the monstrosity of nazism, but rather by the magnificent power of the United States. However, the movie is a great work. Essentially, once the war against the nazis was over, the western allies realized the depth of the new war with the communists, and immediately began to pit what survived of the nazi machinery against them. Devoid of its political power and independence of action, it was left in Germany (and in special cases exported from Germany) to serve as a wave breaker. The head of western counterintelligence in Berlin was the head of nazi counterintelligence. One recalls Napoleon enlisting the head of intelligence from the ancien regime as his own head of intelligence, though the case is not exactly similar. The view was, in general, that the nazis had already been defeated and that no more experienced or motivated force could be found to make life difficult for the communists. At the same time, useful as this tool was, the allies, and essentially the United States, which was the central nervous system of the western alliance, did not foster or allow it to grow. It is a little like wining a war and discovering a minefield that the defeated enemy had set up which is so useful and cost effective against new enemies, that it is left there while original strategies are pursued.

The old adage that "they keep the trains running" is obviously a propaganda line for the masses, something high command felt they could understand and accept. The real reason nazis were left was two-fold: first, because it cannot be over-stressed that pretty much every single German, except for the large minority that was communist or Jewish, was a nazi. It would have amounted to eliminating or imprisoning an entire multi decamillion population country. The second reason, because, given that issue, the nazi high command could, in any case, have been imprisoned or eliminated, was this war against the communists.

Like any capable general, United States generals were unsentimental. In the case of the serial killer featured in the movie, he was let loose, though under close supervision, to go against the communists in Germany and France and then, when he became too high-profile, and because he already knew too much about the allied operations, he was allowed to quietly escape. That is, of course, the extent of the help he got. Once he was caught and the information he knew was no longer sensitive, his opponents were allowed to carry on with his conviction.

A general is not a judge. His concern is not to carry out justice. His concern is to neutralize the threats to his country. And this the generals of the United States did in remarkable fashion. With all the stereotypes of "stupid yankees," the geostrategic understanding of the United States high command was remarkably advanced, and specially compared to their European counterparts, reduced to silly political squabbles over propaganda victories.

It leaves one to wonder, how was Churchil's understanding of geostrategy? Was the war in North Africa based on a sense of history? Was it a last ditch attempt to slow down the enemy? If the former, was it at the same time strategically sound? Maybe for that reason? It kept the nazis' hands tied in western Europe while they went to war with the other great enemy, so that the situation was fortuitous for an invasion when the emaciated army returned? It is hard to pass judgement, but a clear understanding would be dearly treasured.

It is sad for me to speak that way about the eastern front of that war, as the Russian people is incredibly beautiful, and strong. And, by and by, the common Russian's feelings towards that war are among the nobler feelings found on Earth today. But here we are talking about the powers at play, and both of those terrible powers destroying each other was so essentially important for human history that one wonders there isn't a statue of Churchill on every main plaza in the world today.

Now, of course, there is a communist and fascist and nazi revival, as all three are essentially the same beast, from the one part of the world where all three had happily infiltrated and spread roots but which at the time seemed so innocuous that nothing was done about it. Nobody today seems to make the connection between muslim extremism and those three forces, but their cause was essentially what was advanced on September 11, 2001. Not symbolically, but in a very direct way, the main schools of power in the muslim world are all daughters of those movements, via communist parties and SS squadrons. More work than is imagined has been put into synthesizing those views with autoctonous islamic concerns, so that antisemitism for example is on the rise today, but linked only to islamic resentment. Of course, anybody that isn't an antisemite will have no confusion about the nature of such a hate, whether German or islamic or Russian, they will be unconcerned about its origins in regards to its nature. But an antisemite that would prefer not to think of himself as an antisemite, largely because of the shame of defeat, can perhaps find there an excuse their soul can accept. Many other communist, fascist, and nazi concepts can be found in this revival.

The United States generals of old, much to their credit, put little stock by public opinion or feelings. Their only focus of attention was on the international balance of power. They felt that people can think whatever they want, what mattered was what happened in the high spheres of power. And they were correct, but, as so many lords of the universe before them, their great mistake was not to insure a succession. That is, as soon as their generation of commanders waned, their mechanisms of high power also did not endure any continuity. I suppose they guessed that anybody with the slightest nose for power would instinctively pick up their rope, or that a simple inertia of history was with them. That they did their part. Because, of course, public opinion doesn't matter only as long as it does not inflitrate the opinion of the inhabitants of the high spheres of power. Walter Lippmann, a dreadfully underestimated philosopher, is the only intellectual I know who addressed this phenomenon directly. He, too, was imbued with a perhaps unwarranted optimism.

Still, when a mistake is pointed out it seems to become the entirety of the picture, and the reality is that the world that the high commands of post-war United States built for us is still going pretty strong and of a rather formidable nature and constitution. To that old cause of liberty, they gave more than a fair amount of blood. Liber, of course, being an old Roman god.
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Re: My Enemy's Enemy

Postby Dan~ » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:14 am

I'm finding it hard to reply to your post.
I read the whole thing.
However, I see there is a difference between Fascism and National Socialism.
One-party government, as far as i can tell, is the real Fascism.
It can contain anything, like a box or a bottle.
Maybe I'm wrong...
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Re: My Enemy's Enemy

Postby Vittorio » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:33 am

Dan~ wrote:I'm finding it hard to reply to your post.


That's natural.

Dan~ wrote:One-party government, as far as i can tell, is the real Fascism.
It can contain anything, like a box or a bottle.
Maybe I'm wrong...


You are. I may write about the history and nature of fascism at a later time, including the provenance of its name. Fascinating history.
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Re: My Enemy's Enemy

Postby Aventador » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:11 am

Whenever I see someone giving me that communist spiel but saying that they're not communist, I think of this scene:



What a beautiful shot, by the way. His movies just kept getting better and better until he wasn't working with Weinstein anymore.
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Re: My Enemy's Enemy

Postby promethean75 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:13 pm

Here dannerz, this'll clear things up for you;

https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-sim ... chtenstein
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Re: My Enemy's Enemy

Postby Dan~ » Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:00 am

promethean75 wrote:Here dannerz, this'll clear things up for you;
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-sim ... chtenstein

I see.
That is quite the list.
Thank you.
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Re: My Enemy's Enemy

Postby promethean75 » Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:52 pm

Only the best, Dan. Only the best.

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