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Re: White privilege

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:19 pm

White privilege is mostly education; "people such as myself" have been educated in the Classical subject for dozens of generations. This makes life infinitely richer, better, lovelier.
Even if you havent personally been as fortunate to be educated classically, some of your ancestors have, and many of the people that built the culture you're thriving in.
So this is what the people who want to balance the scales should be doing. Enforcing large scale Greek and Latin courses on what we may call inner city youths.

You cant know what is good in life if you havent been granted some kind of link with the ancient Mind.
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
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Re: White privilege

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:05 pm

wrong thread
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Re: White privilege

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:50 pm

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Fixed Cross wrote: “White privilege is mostly education;”

Education! Education! Education! --Margaret Thatcher, circa 1980s
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Re: White privilege

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:19 pm

iambiguous wrote:wrong thread

Are you ever in the right thread?

:wink: no worries man.
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Re: White privilege

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:21 pm

MagsJ wrote:-
Fixed Cross wrote: “White privilege is mostly education;”

Education! Education! Education! --Margaret Thatcher, circa 1980s

Without it, people are very weak and helpless, and aren't really able to value themselves.
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Re: White privilege

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:22 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
iambiguous wrote:wrong thread

Are you ever in the right thread?

:wink: no worries man.


That is a really good joke! You need years of context to get the joke!

It’s only ‘in his head as dasein in a no god world’ that it was the wrong thread.
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Re: White privilege

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:36 pm

After all he is our resident solipsist.
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Re: White privilege

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:22 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
iambiguous wrote:wrong thread

Are you ever in the right thread?

:wink: no worries man.


Besides, I'm an Aries. And you know what the stars tell us about that! :wink:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: White privilege

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:26 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:After all he is our resident solipsist.


Let's try this...

What in your estimation does it mean to be a solipsist in regard to white privilege? And how, given the points I have raised about it on this thread, does that make me the resident solipsist here?

No, seriously.

And, sure, by all means, consult the stars.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: White privilege

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:32 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:
iambiguous wrote:wrong thread

Are you ever in the right thread?

:wink: no worries man.


That is a really good joke! You need years of context to get the joke!

It’s only ‘in his head as dasein in a no god world’ that it was the wrong thread.


On the other hand, you still do have that, uh, "condition", don't you? After all, how do you explain this: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=195803&p=2768044#p2768044

Just joshing, my friend. You keep me young!
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: White privilege

Postby Artimas » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:22 am

There is no “white” privilege.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

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Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

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Re: White privilege

Postby Artimas » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:23 am

MagsJ wrote:-
Fixed Cross wrote: “White privilege is mostly education;”

Education! Education! Education! --Margaret Thatcher, circa 1980s


And education is a choice that is made, thus, defeating it being a privilege since everyone has the ability to make a choice for such.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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Re: White privilege

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:51 pm

Artimas wrote:
MagsJ wrote:-
Fixed Cross wrote: “White privilege is mostly education;”

Education! Education! Education! --Margaret Thatcher, circa 1980s


And education is a choice that is made, thus, defeating it being a privilege since everyone has the ability to make a choice for such.

Most people in the world unfortunately don't get to choose their education. And even in cases that they do, they cant know what is out there to know before they've learned it.

You have to be fortunate with your parents, or run into the right people early on, like finding a mentor who knows the good stuff preferably before you hit puberty.
There is something about the Greeks that makes not knowing them with some intimacy a spiritual disadvantage. And most people who get educated in the Greeks are what is called "white". I.e. have light skin, are from caucasian branches.

Even though the Greeks were caucasian, I do not think their wisdom and art pertains specifically to people of this same "race". I think what they produced is more or less universally human. Much like all humans come from "black" Africans, so all humans can learn from "white" Greeks. In fact I think all people are entitled to learn of the Greeks. Because, reasoning from the Earth, a universal knowledge of them would benefit this planet optimally.
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Re: White privilege

Postby Artimas » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:36 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
Artimas wrote:
MagsJ wrote:-
Fixed Cross wrote: “White privilege is mostly education;”

Education! Education! Education! --Margaret Thatcher, circa 1980s


And education is a choice that is made, thus, defeating it being a privilege since everyone has the ability to make a choice for such.

Most people in the world unfortunately don't get to choose their education. And even in cases that they do, they cant know what is out there to know before they've learned it.

You have to be fortunate with your parents, or run into the right people early on, like finding a mentor who knows the good stuff preferably before you hit puberty.
There is something about the Greeks that makes not knowing them with some intimacy a spiritual disadvantage. And most people who get educated in the Greeks are what is called "white". I.e. have light skin, are from caucasian branches.

Even though the Greeks were caucasian, I do not think their wisdom and art pertains specifically to people of this same "race". I think what they produced is more or less universally human. Much like all humans come from "black" Africans, so all humans can learn from "white" Greeks. In fact I think all people are entitled to learn of the Greeks. Because, reasoning from the Earth, a universal knowledge of them would benefit this planet optimally.


Education doesn’t happen, externally. It’s an internal choice. I stand by that because I am living proof.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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