Mr Reasonable wrote:I don't give a shit who holds the deed to the means of production. Let's just raise the tax rate of property and capital gains until we have enough money to feed the poor and to where Americans can get antibiotics as easily as Mexicans can.
Peter Kropotkin wrote:as an long time anarchist, I will lay out the terms....
one of the preconditions of anarchism is that inherent goodness of
people... for anarchism to work, it needs people to be at their best,
for that is the only way anarchism can work, if everyone is an angel,
and that is why I am no longer a practicing anarchist....
we can reach anarchism if, if everyone is clear on values
and what it means to be human....if we improve our souls,
anarchism is easily achievable... if...…
the need for the state arises from people, being animals instead
of being people....
if we reach for our higher self, then the government isn't
necessary....but alas, people like to pander to their animal side,
by their desires, not needs, desires and it is the drive of desires
that lead human beings to be animals.....
our isms and ideologies are such, that we seek fulfillment in
money/profits/ material goods and as such, we need government....
in other words, we need to completely rework what it means to
be human.....
in socialism/communism, we don't need to be angels, but the government does exists,
however, we are deemed expendable in communism because of the dialectical
materialism.. which are political and social forces that are driven by
needs....and I don't believe human are expendable and the fact is,
communism is nihilistic.. the negation of human beings and their
values...
so, we need to create new theory which doesn't negate or dehumanize
human beings and their values....and allows people to fulfill their
needs and leads them to be able to achieve the goal of
self actualization...
so, we need to think outside the box of the old school ism's
and ideologies.. like capitalism and communism....
to find new ism's and ideologies that allow both human fulfillment
and to meet our needs....
don't look to the past for answers, look to the future....
Kropotkin
Gloominary wrote:How could the world, a nation or community collectivize the means of production, in the case of socialism, or all property, in the case of communism, without the state?
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Gloominary wrote:How could the world, a nation or community collectivize the means of production, in the case of socialism, or all property, in the case of communism, without the state?
Worker Unions, which are technically new political blocs (new State).
Peter Kropotkin wrote:the point of anarchism is to do away with the military all together...
the point is that people are so good, you don't need the military, police,
the state at all....that is the final goal of anarchism....and the problem with
anarchism...it isn't very likely....which is why I left anarchism...
Kropotkin
Bob wrote:Peter Kropotkin wrote:the point of anarchism is to do away with the military all together...
the point is that people are so good, you don't need the military, police,
the state at all....that is the final goal of anarchism....and the problem with
anarchism...it isn't very likely....which is why I left anarchism...
Kropotkin
The word anarchy was first used in 1539, meaning "an absence of government".[2] Pierre-Joseph Proudhon adopted the term in his 1840 treatise "What Is Property?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy
This was primarily because all services and objects were being seen as saleable goods and the "gift society" (something we can hardly imagine anymore) was being underminded. Once everything becomes a commodity, society looses a bit of its cohesion.
Peter Kropotkin wrote:as an long time anarchist, I will lay out the terms....
one of the preconditions of anarchism is that inherent goodness of
people... for anarchism to work, it needs people to be at their best,
for that is the only way anarchism can work, if everyone is an angel,
and that is why I am no longer a practicing anarchist....
we can reach anarchism if, if everyone is clear on values
and what it means to be human....if we improve our souls,
anarchism is easily achievable... if...…
the need for the state arises from people, being animals instead
of being people....
if we reach for our higher self, then the government isn't
necessary....but alas, people like to pander to their animal side,
by their desires, not needs, desires and it is the drive of desires
that lead human beings to be animals.....
our isms and ideologies are such, that we seek fulfillment in
money/profits/ material goods and as such, we need government....
in other words, we need to completely rework what it means to
be human.....
in socialism/communism, we don't need to be angels, but the government does exists,
however, we are deemed expendable in communism because of the dialectical
materialism.. which are political and social forces that are driven by
needs....and I don't believe human are expendable and the fact is,
communism is nihilistic.. the negation of human beings and their
values...
so, we need to create new theory which doesn't negate or dehumanize
human beings and their values....and allows people to fulfill their
needs and leads them to be able to achieve the goal of
self actualization...
so, we need to think outside the box of the old school ism's
and ideologies.. like capitalism and communism....
to find new ism's and ideologies that allow both human fulfillment
and to meet our needs....
don't look to the past for answers, look to the future....
Kropotkin
Peter Kropotkin wrote:as an long time anarchist, I will lay out the terms....
one of the preconditions of anarchism is that inherent goodness of
people... for anarchism to work, it needs people to be at their best,
for that is the only way anarchism can work, if everyone is an angel,
and that is why I am no longer a practicing anarchist....
we can reach anarchism if, if everyone is clear on values
and what it means to be human....if we improve our souls,
anarchism is easily achievable... if...…
the need for the state arises from people, being animals instead
of being people....
if we reach for our higher self, then the government isn't
necessary....but alas, people like to pander to their animal side,
by their desires, not needs, desires and it is the drive of desires
that lead human beings to be animals.....
our isms and ideologies are such, that we seek fulfillment in
money/profits/ material goods and as such, we need government....
in other words, we need to completely rework what it means to
be human.....
in socialism/communism, we don't need to be angels, but the government does exists,
however, we are deemed expendable in communism because of the dialectical
materialism.. which are political and social forces that are driven by
needs....and I don't believe human are expendable and the fact is,
communism is nihilistic.. the negation of human beings and their
values...
so, we need to create new theory which doesn't negate or dehumanize
human beings and their values....and allows people to fulfill their
needs and leads them to be able to achieve the goal of
self actualization...
so, we need to think outside the box of the old school ism's
and ideologies.. like capitalism and communism....
to find new ism's and ideologies that allow both human fulfillment
and to meet our needs....
don't look to the past for answers, look to the future....
Kropotkin
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