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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:17 am

I might give it a thought.

But tell me thee, hast thou considered fame?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:08 pm

promethean75 wrote:"what is your opinion on the demonstrated corruption of the Bidens?"

Me, I couldn't care less. Democrats are a means to an end. Who they are has absolutely no relevance to what they can do for the middle class. If you can get health care expenses down and wages up, for example, I dont care if you're a frickin homosexual cannibal.


Of course, you understand, the problem with what the Bidens do is not so much what it says about their moral character, as much as what it says about what it is that they make their governing decisions on the basis of.

I'm sure it has occurred to you, that maybe this "what they can do for the middle class" business is something they know they can get you with, that gives them a license to go fuck little girls in Epstein's island while making unfathomable deals with unfathomable people, and has no actual substance to it.

I generally don't like to take this track of reasoning, because if the only reason you follow these dicks is that you believe them, then I don't want you on our side. I don't want you to see the truth. Because the real disagreement is not about who is more competent at running a state, but on whose business it is to tell you what to do. In your mind, if the whole "middle class reform" scam was real, it would justify your position. In my mind, even if it was true, it would make you a miserable lackey that wants to be told what to do, like the slave in a bdsm relationship.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:35 pm

Maybe it's just an instance of learned helplessness, "let it happen" type thing.

I often feel that what "democrats" feel is that the world is tricky, painful, treacherous and cloudy, that the feeling of getting fucked is the feeling you're supposed to have, what "adults" feel. And that's also why they hate us so much, because if we are right then there is a chance that there is no reason they should be taking any of that shit at all, letting themselves be fooled and abused by a caste of people that take deception as a modus vivendi, letting their lives be made miserable in intricate deceitful ways that they not only cannot understand, but have become convinced are ununderstandable. Like prisoners in a Vietnamese POW camp hating you for plotting to escape and anger the guards, who aren't so bad once you think about it, they are just looking out for your good.

The trick is, to instantly become republican: are any of these goddamn dolts, the Bidens, the Obamas, the Pelosis, the whoever, or even on our side, the Cruzes, the Mr Donald J Trumps, the goddamn commie plant Romney, really actually smarter than you? Are they able to wrap their heads around concepts that are too complicated for the likes of you? Are they able to figure out things that you can't, are they genetically fitted with superior intellects?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:44 pm

The plans democrats present are always a haze, and even once they get the "mandate" to implement them, implementation is even infinitely hazier and you never know what is actually happening and what they are actually doing, except that they are telling you that they are doing the extremely nebulous thing that they told you they were going to do.

When a republican, a good one like Trump, presents a plan, it's "this, this, and this. And also this is how. Provided we can wrestle some sanity out of the pack of lobbyists for groups that cannot legally show their faces that is the democrat party."

Also, though much less, due to its governing philosophies, the republican party has that problem too. It's a problem given by the existence of career politicians, whose only hope of making it big in life is to do precisely that.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:59 pm

"When you fall in love with a woman, you feel butterflies in your stomach. When you enter a trade, you feel ants in your balls."
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:32 pm

Lol, I traded like a coward today. but at least I met my objective.

Hope I don't go broke tomorrow.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:32 pm

That's the problem when you score a big haul. Suddenly you're too precious to stick with a trade all the way.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:05 pm

Up above you posted this:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Well, my friends, like I said in some thread or another, my original reason for coming back was a last ditch attempt to get phoneutria back.

That story has now come to a close, so I will be moving on.

Follow your dreams, chase the dragons, and don't give an inch to those whiny bastards wanting to control your life and mine.

See you all on the flip side.

Shalom.


So, did she take you back? Oh, and did Satyr arrange it? :lol:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:15 pm

Well well, look who decided to drop in.

Such an honor for you to visit us like this. To what do I owe the privilege?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:17 pm

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... A16875.jpg

Some say painting is only a study of light.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:26 pm

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 281%29.JPG

Seems to somehow transport you much more effectively than any amount of "fine detail."

Like in Da Vinci it transports you, but not to any Earthly place, rather to some mystical dimension.

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:27 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Well well, look who decided to drop in.

Such an honor for you to visit us like this. To what do I owe the privilege?


Well, this:

iambiguous wrote:Up above you posted this:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Well, my friends, like I said in some thread or another, my original reason for coming back was a last ditch attempt to get phoneutria back.

That story has now come to a close, so I will be moving on.

Follow your dreams, chase the dragons, and don't give an inch to those whiny bastards wanting to control your life and mine.

See you all on the flip side.

Shalom.


So, did she take you back? Oh, and did Satyr arrange it? :lol:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:27 pm

You don't wanna discuss communism?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:04 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You don't wanna discuss communism?


Sure, but only after you explain this:

iambiguous wrote:Up above you posted this:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Well, my friends, like I said in some thread or another, my original reason for coming back was a last ditch attempt to get phoneutria back.

That story has now come to a close, so I will be moving on.

Follow your dreams, chase the dragons, and don't give an inch to those whiny bastards wanting to control your life and mine.

See you all on the flip side.

Shalom.


So, did she take you back? Oh, and did Satyr arrange it? :lol:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:06 pm

You promise?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:03 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You promise?


Well, I'll have to ask you to run it by phoneutria first, of course. Being rude, she "foed" me.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:04 pm

Lol now you want her permission?

Yes or no?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:23 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Lol now you want her permission?

Yes or no?


What I want is an exchange with her in which we examine her reaction to the points I raise in my signature threads. That's what I want with everyone here. I have thought myself into believing that my own existence is an essentially meaningless trek to oblivion. And that in regard to moral and political value judgments, "I" am fractured and fragmented.

In other words, in a way that the objectivists here are not.

So, I'm curious to explore this with her. Why? Because she is smart as a whip, brings her thinking down to earth, has a history with Satyr, and is absolutely superb in the art of repartee.

I think I would be especially challenged by her.

Now, I have my suspicions as to why she "foed" me. So, sure, I'm curious to find out if I'm right.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:26 pm

Yeah but I'm not phoneutria. You asked me a question.

Can we skip it all then and talk about communism?

You have to explain why, when an outspoken, unapologetically ideological objetivist started posting here, instead of your usual fragmented self conundrum, you met him with "good luck!" And when he said, "thanks comrade!" you were happy to leave it at that. These things are important.

And, obviously, that is the reason you came here. Not any interest in my love life.

You recently admitted in another thread that you do have personal biases. Can we discuss them? Do you have the honesty?

Serious question. Would you not put forward your case for communism?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:00 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote: Yeah but I'm not phoneutria. You asked me a question.


She is here only because you seemed to be telling us above that you were leaving ILP because of something that didn't happen between the two of you. But here you are, still among us.

Pedro I Rengel wrote: Can we skip it all then and talk about communism?


I used to be a Communist. Then a Marxist-Leninist. Then a Trotskyist. Then a socialist. Then a democratic-socialist. Then a social democrat.

In other words, politically, I used to be an objectivist. But not anymore. So there is discussing Communism in the context of Marx's assessment of political economy down through the ages. Then the actual historical trajectory rooted not in the industrial West but in peasant and agrarian nations.

And then all those other things that are not my main concern. That being this: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

I am now basically the exact opposite of those who think of themselves as an "ist" in an "outspoken, unapologetically ideological objectivist" manner.

"I" am a moral nihilist fractured and fragmented by way of this:

If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.


And that certainly includes my thinking "here and now" about Communism.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:08 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You have to explain why, when an outspoken, unapologetically ideological objetivist started posting here, instead of your usual fragmented self conundrum, you met him with "good luck!" And when he said, "thanks comrade!" you were happy to leave it at that. These things are important.

And, obviously, that is the reason you came here. Not any interest in my love life.


That's not "ex-." That's "practicing."
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:31 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:You have to explain why, when an outspoken, unapologetically ideological objetivist started posting here, instead of your usual fragmented self conundrum, you met him with "good luck!" And when he said, "thanks comrade!" you were happy to leave it at that. These things are important.

And, obviously, that is the reason you came here. Not any interest in my love life.


That's not "ex-." That's "practicing."


No, that's what you call practicing. Or "practicing".

I'm sticking with the point I made above:

I am now basically the exact opposite of those who think of themselves as an "ist" in an "outspoken, unapologetically ideological objectivist" manner.

"I" am a moral nihilist fractured and fragmented by way of this:

If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.

And that certainly includes my thinking "here and now" about Communism.


The part you ignored completely.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:09 am

No, my son. It is you who ignored this:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You have to explain why, when an outspoken, unapologetically ideological objetivist started posting here, instead of your usual fragmented self conundrum, you met him with "good luck!" And when he said, "thanks comrade!" you were happy to leave it at that. These things are important.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby iambiguous » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:16 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:No, my son. It is you who ignored this:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You have to explain why, when an outspoken, unapologetically ideological objetivist started posting here, instead of your usual fragmented self conundrum, you met him with "good luck!" And when he said, "thanks comrade!" you were happy to leave it at that. These things are important.


Looks like we're stuck then.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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