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Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:45 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Fountainhead shit. No fountainhead.

I'm not really that arrogant. My real answer is no fountainhead, only relationship with the muses.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:36 pm
by Pedro I Rengel

The only thing that can stand up to the power of the Catholic church in terms of ceremony. And instead of dread, you walk out of there feeling replenished, closer to God.

My sister married a consumate musician, of classical tendency but, you know, French, modern French, bohemian. in the wedding, at which I was best man, he had some music friends over and they sang a bunch of these songs. I was dancin and swayin. People were like wut. I was feelin it. I even resented them a little as, being bohemians, they didn't go for the true power. But their understanding of the music was correct enough and I felt that shit. Felt so so bad for the others there, unwilling or unable to feel the grace, awkwardly seeking to join the dance but like in a catholic way. But the grace was there, it didn't matter.

Yeah. That shit.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:41 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
When you realize it sprang from the exact same ground as this:

You be like damn. You come close to understanding the power.

(Sorry for the edits, wanted to get one with the chanting)

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:58 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Spanish: dances are for sexy

Africans: dancing is for invoking spirits

Spanish: we can work it out.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:31 pm
by barbarianhorde
Only time I came close to Christianity was in Savannah in a black baptist church. The pastor was a man of god, no doubt. I just already had my own gods. I couldn't do it, I told him, even though I allowed him to pray for me and explain what he thought Jesus is. I was definitely impressed and moved.

My grandfather later sent him a letter.
"Many thanks from a grandfather".

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:33 pm
by barbarianhorde
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Spanish: dances are for sexy

Africans: dancing is for invoking spirits

Spanish: we can work it out.


Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:15 am
by barbarianhorde

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:59 pm
by Jakob
Pezerocles lke Hercules in a cul de sac
fulla gags no bully, ultra like MK, sultry like Vokchok
old school no old sock
old new balance
cold salad, host valiant
Cali weed no valium,
Quebec weapon, slick ice no side stepping
one squirrel two squirrel three squirrels tripping
with the crow at the oak
thats how the shit go
where I'm from in the snow
where the drums buried deep in the side of Papineau

Rosemont alley
cats in the alley
cats in the dark
Farc Farc farc

did I just go there
green beret
peons in array
red dilemma
bet all ya gemmas
kill all ya gammas
burn all the betas
aim at the alphas
beware the zeros
they turn into heros
got nowhere to go
except the ozone layer
big Higgs-boson-player

abstract pappie
lackadaisy rapper
jibber like jabber
meet the old Gabber
moms in heat
proms around the corner
like Lawrence of the Street
get born get borner

by saving the day
I made my estate
im crazy that way
call me daylight saving

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:16 pm
by Jakob
evil drivel
beavel and bunghole, the demon
cleaving aeons like shields of peons
dream on says the stream
dream on and seethe on demon
He-Man, lead then!
lead these heathens and beat men
beat men and women and give solaces
give balls in big palaces
raise hell and empty all chalices
no more jealous malice
breach crevices of meritless intelligence
belligerent ignorant jibbering
of summer sun simplicity
by pillaging ethnicity
and leaving villages empty and stinking cities
filled to the brim with anything but hippies

vinyl crackling like pinewood
good iron in the fire
stare at the sparks
going ark ark ark

T 7000
terminate every motherfucng thing in your browser
king in my castle like Bowser

Another castle
holed up with the gold
and the golden-haired
she can let it grow down there
but she wont
she wants to be my bling
wants to be my Rolex
luxury accessory of raw sex
you all set?
Journalists? Why am I like this?
dont judge me its a process
(or thats what this ho says)

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 pm
by Arcturus Descending
barbarianhorde wrote:Image

Oh what beauties. Is the horse running to something or away from something?

Or is he exercising his raison de etre?

God, how I would love to hug that horse and whisper into his ear. Beautiful!

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:47 pm
by barbarianhorde
Arcturus Descending wrote:Or is he exercising his raison de etre?

Yes - a horse is an especially pure reason of being, it has one desire. Well two maybe but one that makes it particular, and special. No other animal just runs for the hell of it.
You know von Clausewitz' saying war is politics continued by other means?
This horse is the lightning continued by other means.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:05 pm
by Jakob

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:52 pm
by Pedro I Rengel

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:13 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
A thought about democracy, as inspired by the great leader President Donald J Trump:

In Athens, of course, it was not all inhabitants that had a vote. Only those with enough of what we today call capital had the right to participate. Of course, Athens was a small city. In terms of a modern day yuge country, what democracy means is to vote enough such people into the process. Do you follow?

That is, you create the forum. People participating in the forum are people with certain prerequisites, like birth citizenship and whatnot, and are actual citizens, so not professional politicians, and ones with enough capital to both have enough of a stake in and have benefitted enough from the polity. To BE the polity, see? That is what Athenians designed. The people, the citizens, ARE the polity. Or, rather, the citizens who are the polity, are the polity.

To extend the democracy to a wider citizenry of just people, citizens then vote for the invested citizen which strikes them as most sane. This can obviously not be legislated for without a risk of some weird fascism, not to mention the lacking political capital even for such weirdly fascist legislating. But it can be helped to become reality. Trump is a citizen, possibly the first citizen, the first Athenian democrat. There are others out there, I hear things about a guy in Luisiana.

Sillicon valley wants a say? They can run too. They meet all the criteria. I wonder, representing their interests and ideas as themselves, how the economy of political capital would work.

And old school commies like John or whatever his name was, prometheanwhatever, can be left rambling in the streets where they used to be, where they belong. Oliver?

This precludes the Deep State as well. Imagine these dudes operating a deep state? Even the traitor Michael Bloomberg in the end found it silly.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:37 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
To be clear: professional politicians are simply lawyers. Pay to play is not a feature, it is the entirety of the game.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:49 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Nixon, along with Kissinger, were strange exceptions. The thesis of the scholar politician was proven not to be able to survive the ruthlessness of well payed lawyers.

Admittedly, the Athenian democracy thesis, still so much in its infancy, is already facing the same test. Nixon, let us not forget, was brought down by a small fraction of what President Donald J Trump endures on any given day.

Rome was probably wisest in giving them a framework they could not resist. Still, Cesar proved the Roman Lawyer thesis not to be able to withstand a determined citizen with capital. Ironically, it was the wisdom of the Athenians which took down the Roman attempt at reining in the lawyers. We beat the lawyers THAT time. Well, almost. The denouement was the kind of weird we see in the final shot of Scanners.

Anyway, this ain't Rome. The last Rome was Spain, case you were wondering.

This is better. If we win.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:40 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Pablo Escobar was a pioneer of such democracy. Nietzsche long foresaw his downfall, crime has a ceiling. But he understood. His bounty was his people, so he was in a constant, and importantly happy, negotiation with his people. What do you want/need? Here it is. He asked. He didn't tell. A stadium? Boom, here's a stadium. A hospital? Boom, hospital. Of course, he is not Aladdin's genie. But people understand that. Not being a lawyer, he is seen as what he is, and so are his means and the actual facts of reality. Not "God said healthcare and we obey god," but "ok, how do you like this hospital?" "It's great Pablo, we love you!" "I love you too, goddamnit. You know what I'm going to do? I'm gonna drive a tank into where the lawyers are." Hahaha, Pablo Escobar was great. But yeah, no, crime has a definite ceiling. To see it more clearly, the real rather than theoretical descendants of Escobar are Hezbollah. The theory was sound as sound gets, however. Trump is the theoretical descendant of Escobar. But also, when it is not a crime thing, the lawyers too have no ceiling, and they were pretty entrenched by the time President Donald J Trump got there.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:45 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
It is important, then, to understand Escobar and the President as of a category, a certain kind of person. Not on account of their charisma, Chavez had charisma too and not a penny to his name. No, on account of their citizenship.

Capital and citizenship were seen, by the Athenians, as a single thing together with the land. Charisma only starts counting after that in a democracy. Because anything else isn't charisma, it is manipulation. Charisma starts counting when you enter the forum. A course, Escobar and President Trump and Cesar have so far stood alone. The good thing about Trump is that he has an innate understanding of this fact of citizenship, he is not in it to be all alone. He wants the forum.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:56 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
To put it another way, who more than Escobar could understand the need of the barrio?

Who better than a Trump can understand America? America is a continent, but whatever. America? A person who depended on it to get wealthy, happily? Who proves their understanding of what makes it tick by getting wealthy off of it? Money talks, there is much wisdom to this. What does a lawyer know? Nothing, that is why lawyers aren't leaders, but representatives of interests. Negotiating on behalf of people whose main advantage is not having it known that it is they who are negotiating?

Escobar too, right? There is no division between rich citizens and their people, they are simply those of the people who understood best. The best of the People. And, as such, inmensely happy to be of the people. To work for the people. What hapiness can a loser have? A loser wants to abolish the people. The famous commie reset button.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:58 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Of course, such things as pride are of import to make such a citizen. Jay-Z, with his billions, is still not such a one because he has no pride, so he remains a commie. Why has he no pride? Or his wife, Beyonce? Both of these beautiful people and talented artists, because they are whores. Both got their billions by selling out and betraying themselves, something Escobar and Trump NEVER did. A citizen is a MAN. What pride can a whore have?

I mean, to who was it not clear the day Jay-Z made that album with Linkin Park? Shameful.

Dre could have done it, but Dre actually feels the devastation of the crime that helped him get there, and feels guilt about it. He told us as much when he sold out with Beats. Though he never was a whore, because he never gave his soul along with it.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:22 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Maybe Dre could not have done it. The role of an Escobar-President Trump type citizen is two-fold: to give things the people need. Actually, I think Escobar never gave a hospital, people tend to be more honest than that when asking for things from someone actually personally capable of giving them. But those are all contingent on their primary role: to get people working and getting wealth from work. People tend to prefer having money for a hospital than a free hospital. The free hospital is asked for by one who no longer has faith in being able to make that money.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:26 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
As part of the long on-going negotiation between people and lawyers, a terrifyingly evil and sick institution has emerged: the middle class. I don't mean by middle class the worker who makes more money than many workers and had the fence and the lawn and the motorized toy car for the kids. I mean the college people. Those with no hopes of ever becoming rich, and no risk of ever becoming poor. Or maybe even rich, but not in command of capital.

With them, the negotiation is not about capital, but about the feeling of power.

That's a big reason the insist on the free hospital: the feeling of having the power to give it.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:31 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Why not, then, a free stadium?

Because then it would become about money, the existence of which they cannot recognize without recognizing the sickliness of their own station.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:35 pm
by Fixed Cross
And conversely, Kanye and his wife are citizens. Entirely unideological, just ethical, understanding value. Kardashian princess visits Trump to get people unjustly incarcerated out of prison, and it works, it happens. I might be in favour of holding experience with accumulating and wielding personal power as a criterion for deserving the privilege of serving ones people. This means that mere promises and ideals don't count for anything at all. Yet what of non-financial power?

Tangentially: Athenian pentekosiomedemnoi counted I guess around 75.000 to a number of 250.000 slaves who weren't allowed to fight any wars nor of course paid any taxes. Slavery aside this concept appeals to me - people who don't have the joy of power should also not carry burdens for the state. I have this rudimentary tax plan, where only businesses above a certain capitalization, say 20 million, pay taxes. No taxes for private citizens The logic of this unfolds very nicely into a lean economic dynamic.

Re: Pedro's Corner

PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:51 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
I on purpose did not mention Kanye, because he has a hard time. Kim far less so.

That's the point, though, with Hezbollah. Their inheritance from Pablo is purely concrete power structures. No theory involved. In theoretical terms, it is awkwardly true that they are kind of Roman spawn. All that matters about islam is that the first temple is the Cathedral of Constantinople. Post-Octavian lawyers. Octavian was became inevitable christianity, because of the magnitude of a thing that was to spawn a head. Fascists also wanted to cohere it. It's... murkier territory.

Hey, slaves, you know. People hate, but it wasn't that simple.

The point, though, is that democracy is not a bout any given legal framework. Taxes this or this that. It by definition works from a given. The citizen must already exist, and the people of whom he is a part, before he can rule.

To put it more bluntly, your personal opinion of taxes is moot. Now, had you a billion's worth of assets and a birth certificate that said Made in USA, then you would have a different opinion, and THAT opinion would matter, in an Athenian democracy, such as President Trump is spearheading. Actually, they don't even need to have an opinion. They may change it, or hire a guy. Do you see what I mean?

If you had the Made in USA minus the billion, then you could vote for a citizen etc.

Maybe you can be a guy one of them possibly hires. But that's always contigent anyway.

It's a rulership scheme by which the people rule themselves.