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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:00 am

origami wrote:It is possible that it can be said that there exist two approaches to trance: the intellectual approach and the party approach.

The party approach looks for hitting the spot melodies like the addaggio and series of crescendoes and drops that make for a pleasant dance experience.

The intellectual approach, psytrancy or housy type stuff, is more about lounging and decanting. I'm not a fan, I believe other forms of electronic music are more suited. But I'm not angry at it.


I think they call it the classic approach (psy and goa can be sort of grouped together with what is known as the classic approach proper). It's the classic approach on one side and the European approach on the other side. The European approach is notable for very long breakdowns during which only melody plays. No beats, no drums, no bass . . . just melody in all of its glory. What do people during such long pauses? They can't dance . . . they sort of hold their hands in the air and move them slowly from one side to the other. What kind of dance music is that? If you ask me, it's not really a dance music. It's a kind of music someone who sat down and asked the following question would invent. "Okay, there are lots and lots of people who don't go to clubs. How are we going to make them go to clubs? Okay, let's put some classical music into it." It's evident in the fact that many people who listen to that sort of music do not go to clubs and raves (so-called "chair ravers".) The classic approach is repetitive, hypnotic, trance inducing, and for that very reason, dance and drug friendly. Not exactly intellectual . . . Art of Trance / Union Jack makes that sort of music -- to this day, I think. I see it as a kind of tribal music revived and placed into the context of modern high-tech era. The intellectual approach has its own genre . . . they call it, as stupid as that sounds, "intelligent dance music". Here is a bit of it. "Braindance" is another term for it. It's like dance music except it's not you dancing but your brain dancing. Hope that's clear.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:13 am

They love using pianos in those.

Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel [1994]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfRq3j2tvxY

Robert Miles - Children [1996]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5ca6Hsb2Q

BT - Flaming June [1997]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfCc56njC7U

Mike Foyle - Firefly [2007]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybJoNEhi7rQ#t=3m00s

Mike Foyle - Shipwrecked [2011?]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5v-uexmL_4
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby origami » Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:37 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:They can't dance . . . they sort of hold their hands in the air and move them slowly from one side to the other. What kind of dance music is that? If you ask me, it's not really a dance music.


Here I am gaining confidence in giving you a 2, maybe a 3 to your previous question. Because you really have to be there to understand. A break in the percussion doesn't mean you stop dancing, the beat is already baked into your bones by that time, and then you are waiting for it to come back with some climactic accent. Granted, not all drops are born equal, but most of the ones in that first mix I posted tended to perform magnificently, which is why most of them were staples of the lazy DJ's set. They just worked.

Magnus Anderson wrote:"intelligent dance music". Here is a bit of it.


But then one wouldn't go with trance at all, would it? Even that example you showed is really properly jungle. Something like this.



Magnus Anderson wrote: "Braindance" is another term for it. It's like dance music except it's not you dancing but your brain dancing. Hope that's clear.


Sure, I understand. But sometimes, dancing for when it's your body dancing really has no peer.

There's music that bypasses your brain, and can only be appreciated in low light, high volume, and a pretty body in front of you.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:45 pm

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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby origami » Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:13 am

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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby origami » Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:15 am

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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:08 pm

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My new favourite artist.. ladies and gentlemen, meet Andy Black:

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Lyrics

Record scratch; Steve Miller Band
Tattooed necks and tattooed hands
Oh, how don't you drown in a rain storm?
Fresh regrets, vodka sweats
The sun is down and we're bound to get
Exhausted and so far from the shore

You're never gonna get it
I'm a hazard to myself
I'll break it to you easy
This is hell, this is hell
You're looking and whispering
You think I'm someone else
This is hell, yes.
Literal hell.

We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to smile
We don't have to make friends
It's so nice to meet you,
Let's never meet again
We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to dance

Bottles smash, I raise my hand
How can you all even stand it
Why is there joy in this poison, oh
Faking smiles and confidence
Driving miles to capture this excitement
I can't take anymore, oh

You're never gonna get it
I'm a hazard to myself
I'll break it to you easy
This is hell, this is hell
You're looking and whispering
You think I'm someone else
This is hell, yes.
I am in hell.

We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to smile
We don't have to make friends
It's so nice to meet you,
Let's never meet again
We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to dance

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah

You're never gonna get it
I'm a hazard to myself
I'll break it to you easy
This is hell, this is hell
You're looking and whispering
You think I'm someone else
This is hell, yes.
Literal hell.

We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to smile
We don't have to make friends
It's so nice to meet you,
Let's never meet again
We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to dance
We don't have to talk
We don't have to talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to talk, talk, talk
We don't have to dance
We don't have to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:47 pm

origami wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:They can't dance . . . they sort of hold their hands in the air and move them slowly from one side to the other. What kind of dance music is that? If you ask me, it's not really a dance music.


Here I am gaining confidence in giving you a 2, maybe a 3 to your previous question. Because you really have to be there to understand. A break in the percussion doesn't mean you stop dancing, the beat is already baked into your bones by that time, and then you are waiting for it to come back with some climactic accent. Granted, not all drops are born equal, but most of the ones in that first mix I posted tended to perform magnificently, which is why most of them were staples of the lazy DJ's set. They just worked.


My point was that trance music was originally repetitive, hypnotic, psychedelic / trippy and trance-inducing. Late 90's and early 00's trance music deviated from that to a relatively significant extent by trying to appeal to people who weren't interested in clubs, raves and drugs at the time (hence all the focus on melodies.) It's a very different culture than the prior one.

Here's an example of what trance sounded like.

The Creative Technology Institute - Dancing Ghosts [1984]
[Trance wasn't a genre back then but the guiding principle was there]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo8is1XSTSc#t=2m42s

The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds [1990]
[Whatever genre they put this one in, the guiding principle is the same]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di8GDaRB-_Q

LDC - Daydream [1992]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwNhUiltHQY

Transform - Transformation [1992]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3pkY_11kg

Hyperspace - Natural System [1993]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IGPXy4_vmU

Electric Skychurch - Deus [1995]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2iurLyzDxo

Hallucinogen - LSD (Live Mix) [1995]
[Psy trance, which tends to be more aggressive. Similar to Juno Reactor's Guardian Angel from the same year.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9h75rbnAcE

Man With No Name - Teleport [1995]
[Another instance of psy trance]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKy0zXbJFE#t=2m58s

Clanger - Seadog [1997]
[Simon Berry does not disappoint]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jU5ZpsqSmM

Kraftwerk - Aerodynamik [2004]
[They call it "minimal techno" but the guiding principle is the same]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91VJ4JTTubk

Union Jack - Papillon [2009]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80M5scLM02I#t=3m14s

Solar Fields - Cruise [2007]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IEyVp6lMpY

Airwave - Atlas Winds [2012]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3M8h-zSZa0#t=6m05s

Sure, there were a number of tracks back then that sounded like late 90's trance (e.g. Age of Love, Love Stimulation, Dreams) but most of the tracks sounded like the ones above.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby origami » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:11 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:The Creative Technology Institute - Dancing Ghosts [1984]
[Trance wasn't a genre back then but the guiding principle was there]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo8is1XSTSc#t=2m42s


Lol that sounds like a Luc Besson movie. Hardly makes me want to tear up a dance floor.

Magnus Anderson wrote:Late 90's and early 00's trance music deviated from that to a relatively significant extent by trying to appeal to people who weren't interested in clubs, raves and drugs at the time (hence all the focus on melodies.)


I mean there's your Van Armin or whatever that is a kind of self-help on speakers. But by and large, what happened late 90's early 00's was people drinking and dancing with girls instead of taking amphetamines and running in place facing the DJ. Psytrance raves are the most depressing thing I ever saw.

Magnus Anderson wrote:The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds [1990]
[Whatever genre they put this one in, the guiding principle is the same]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di8GDaRB-_Q


This one I like, but again, I am not riding a hidden mental path of euphoria with a girl I might sleep with later just outside. I'm lounging and appreciating with my conscious mind.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:43 pm

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Summer.. a very melodic track indeed.. got some 'gangster rap' melody running through
it, I forget which track it’s from.. ‘Still Dre’?

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:53 pm

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Eastern-inspired trance.. melody and beats.

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:59 pm

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..a veritable melting pot of sounds.. Afro beats, Arabic tones, American RnB, and
Euro trance influences, all rolled into one track.

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The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:08 pm

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From the new Elvis Motion Picture Soundtrack ’ELVIS'.. apparently. I swear Doja's
dropped some weight. :-s

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:13 pm

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Quite a Balearic sound from Drake, this year.. well, it is that time of year.. Summer.

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

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You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:43 pm

origami wrote:I mean there's your Van Armin or whatever that is a kind of self-help on speakers. But by and large, what happened late 90's early 00's was people drinking and dancing with girls instead of taking amphetamines and running in place facing the DJ. Psytrance raves are the most depressing thing I ever saw.


They call it "Dutch trance" for a reason. It was made popular by the Dutch. Ferry Corsten (System F, Veracocha, Gouryella), Tiesto (Kamaya Painters, Gouryella, Alibi, Allure), Armin Van Buuren, Vincent de Moor, Rank 1, etc are all Dutch and all pionerred the late 90s early 00s anthemic / stadium / epic kind of trance sound.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby origami » Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:58 pm

The distinction I'm making is not in the structure, that's all fine. It's in small choices with regards to the specific melodies and paths taken for the breakdown. Some make you feel Satan is about to pop up from the ground, some make you feel a fat person with a head mic will walk in the room and tell you how you can turn your life around. The distinction can at times be almost inperceptible. Like barroque music. Some is immortal, some is mediocre, and they are identical except for some small choices made regarding melody.



Ever go to one of these raves, Magnus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EgA2VzQFRA
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:42 pm

origami wrote:Ever go to one of these raves, Magnus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EgA2VzQFRA

:lol:
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You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:11 pm

origami wrote:Ever go to one of these raves, Magnus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EgA2VzQFRA


Hardcore/gabber is probably the worst genre in the electronic dance music scene.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:16 pm

Euro trance is pretty much the best (thanks to the melody.) House is a close second. Gabber is at the end.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby origami » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:56 pm

House is terrible.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Sculptor » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:25 pm

Rolling Stones LICKED in NY circa 2002 , on TV.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Sculptor » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:26 pm

origami wrote:House is terrible.


I suppose on balance you have to get something right once in your life.
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Re: If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

Postby Sculptor » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:26 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Euro trance is pretty much the best (thanks to the melody.) House is a close second. Gabber is at the end.


It's alright if you just dropped a handful of MDMA, but its not what I call music.
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words are modulated music
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