It would appear to be futile to engage him -- let alone in philosophy -- until we come closer to this part:
...someday he might finally confront whatever or whoever turned him into a rampaging caricature of Satyr. And, perhaps, be able to engage in a substantive exchange without configuring into the fulminating fanatic that he becomes here. And, I suspect, everywhere else.
Something has clearly pissed him off in life. Something that compels him to come into places like this and VENT!!!
It seems [to me] that he needs to make scapegoats of those he construes to be part of whatever he is outraged about. But what is it? And how did it come about?
Wouldn't that be far more fascinating to explore than the "substance" of his rants?
iambiguous wrote:Not likely to work.
To the best of my knowledge, the only reason he is here is because someone at KT deleted the Dungeon. And he posted there for weeks and weeks without anyone [or very, very, very few] actually responding to his posts.
Me, I'm only curious to explore with him how and why he came to post what he does. This part:It would appear to be futile to engage him -- let alone in philosophy -- until we come closer to this part:
...someday he might finally confront whatever or whoever turned him into a rampaging caricature of Satyr. And, perhaps, be able to engage in a substantive exchange without configuring into the fulminating fanatic that he becomes here. And, I suspect, everywhere else.
Something has clearly pissed him off in life. Something that compels him to come into places like this and VENT!!!
It seems [to me] that he needs to make scapegoats of those he construes to be part of whatever he is outraged about. But what is it? And how did it come about?
Wouldn't that be far more fascinating to explore than the "substance" of his rants?
But he won't go there. And I suspect with his "condition" that's the last place he would ever want to go.
Zero_Sum wrote:This thread conflicts me, on the one hand I don't care for PolishYouth either but on the other I always feel compelled to do the exact opposite of Peter's commands.
iambiguous wrote:Zero_Sum wrote:This thread conflicts me, on the one hand I don't care for PolishYouth either but on the other I always feel compelled to do the exact opposite of Peter's commands.
From my own frame of mind -- and that's all it is, my own subjective reaction -- Joker is basically in the general vicinity of polishyouth. He fulminates about a world that pisses him off. He comes in here basically to rant. To vent.
He will even suggest from time to time that it's really the upheaval and the chaos itself he wants to witness. One or another apocalyptic event in which out of the rubble will come whatever it is "here and now" he would like to see put in its place.
Ah, but what might that be in terms of, say, race and gender and sexual orientation? How about the Jews? What will be the fate of Wendy's "libtards" in his own brave new world?
Let's focus then not on what the fulminating fanatics here detest, but on what their own "best of all possible worlds" would look like.
One issue and one context at a time.
On the other hand, perhaps this ---- is more an indication that he is actually just putting on an act here. He plays this character he calls Joker only in order to entertain himself.
Zero_Sum wrote:
Every different perception, ideology, or philosophical disposition especially in the political realm has its list of eternal enemies that need to be purged, for the liberals and Marxists it's the conservatives, for the conservatives the exact opposite, for fascist totalitarian villains like myself it's.... Well, you see where I'm going with that Biggie. Truthfully, I care not about liberals, conservatives, or even Marxists, for my world order to be implemented would require wholesale scorched earth policy globally.[Total global destruction to rebuild new once again.] With any luck you will all wipe each other out to give my lofty ideals a real chance at opportunity.[I play all sides when I find it advantageous to.]
I am politically after all a third positionist, for now I make friendly with conservatives because I too despise the current global-homo establishment, but for me it is an alliance of convenience not because I believe in everything they do, no, quite the contrary.
For now at least, the enemy of my much greater enemy is my friend until I decide otherwise at a future date. Real politik and all that jazz....
Ah, but what might that be in terms of, say, race and gender and sexual orientation? How about the Jews? What will be the fate of Wendy's "libtards" in his own brave new world?
Let's focus then not on what the fulminating fanatics here detest, but on what their own "best of all possible worlds" would look like. One issue and one context at a time.
Zero_Sum wrote:Truthfully, I care not about liberals, conservatives, or even Marxists, for my world order to be implemented would require wholesale scorched earth policy globally.[Total global destruction to rebuild new once again.] With any luck you will all wipe each other out to give my lofty ideals a real chance at opportunity.[I play all sides when I find it advantageous to.]
1] Noting the distinction between a frame of mind that revolves around a "real me" in sync and a set of moral and political values that are said to encompass objectively "the right thing to do", and "I" embodied subjectively/existentially in dasein, in moral and political prejudices...in the arguments I make for it/this in my signature threads; and specifically in this thread: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529 .
2] Noting that when someone does change their moral and political frame of mind, they are acknowledging that they were wrong about something in the is/ought world around them. And that, once they acknowledge this, they are acknowledging in turn they may well be wrong about other things. Finally, they are acknowledging that, yes, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas, they might be prompted to change their minds again. And again.
3] As a consequence, what I suggest is that we focus in on a particular moral and political truth of theirs and given a set of circumstances we examine our respective moral and political philosophies.
4] Here, however, I'm less interested in simply articulating what we believe is true in the way of moral and political truths and more focused in how we would go about demonstrating to others that all rational and virtuous men and women are obligated to think and to feel the same.
Zero_Sum wrote:It's clear you're so entirely mentally dense or deficient that you can't read into ambiguities when I leave my trail of bread crumbs into my line of thinking Biggie, there is only so much I can say on the internet without (((them))) watching and observing me along with charging me with all kinds of thought crimes. Your problem not mine Biggie.
You see, I try to relay what I think the best way I can that is acceptable for the internet thought police, if I truly said everything I think I would be locked up for good.
iambiguous wrote:
See!
The Zero_Brains caricature!! Intellectual gibberish dispensed by a Stooge!!!
Or, perhaps, shudder to think, it's not a caricature at all. Perhaps this really is as deep as he can go in grappling with his own psyche!!!!
Zero_Sum wrote:iambiguous wrote:
See!
The Zero_Brains caricature!! Intellectual gibberish dispensed by a Stooge!!!
Or, perhaps, shudder to think, it's not a caricature at all. Perhaps this really is as deep as he can go in grappling with his own psyche!!!!
I'll just keep you guessing.
iambiguous wrote:
Ah, the Pedro in him. An attempt to reconfigure the humiliation into a "clever" retort aimed at convincing no one that he isn't stung by it.
Zero_Brains wrote:iambiguous wrote:
Ah, the Pedro in him. An attempt to reconfigure the humiliation into a "clever" retort aimed at convincing no one that he isn't stung by it.
You're really incapable of insulting me, I view you as a loud mouth insect. I simply tolerate you, that's it.
Peter Kropotkin wrote:in leu of the fact that there doesn't seem to be any type of moderation,
going on here, I would suggest that we simply ignore him as just being
another crazy person...
Peter Kropotkin wrote:in leu of the fact that there doesn't seem to be any type of moderation,
going on here, I would suggest that we simply ignore him as just being
another crazy person... if we just ignore him and don't respond to him...
like other crazy people, he will simply move on to find other places to bother....
he is clearly batshit crazy and it doesn't serve anyone to engage with him....
so... as a group, we get to decide what we want to do with him and as I pointed
out, simply ignoring him means he has no platform to engage with...
with his every single crazy post, let him hear the sound of
silence........for all he wants is some type of engagement..
even being called names will work for him because he is nothing more
then a crazed 2 year old demanding attention....so don't give it to him.....
Kropotkin
iambiguous wrote:Not likely to work.
To the best of my knowledge, the only reason he is here is because someone at KT deleted the Dungeon. And he posted there for weeks and weeks without anyone [or very, very, very few] actually responding to his posts.
Me, I'm only curious to explore with him how and why he came to post what he does. This part:It would appear to be futile to engage him -- let alone in philosophy -- until we come closer to this part:
...someday he might finally confront whatever or whoever turned him into a rampaging caricature of Satyr. And, perhaps, be able to engage in a substantive exchange without configuring into the fulminating fanatic that he becomes here. And, I suspect, everywhere else.
Something has clearly pissed him off in life. Something that compels him to come into places like this and VENT!!!
It seems [to me] that he needs to make scapegoats of those he construes to be part of whatever he is outraged about. But what is it? And how did it come about?
Wouldn't that be far more fascinating to explore than the "substance" of his rants?
But he won't go there. And I suspect with his "condition" that's the last place he would ever want to go.
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