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Dear ILP

Postby Phaedrus » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:21 am

Dear ILP,

Hello, how are you? I am fine, mostly. It has been awhile so I wanted to pop in and see how everyone is doing. Like most of you I have been dealing with the Trump-19, er, Covid-19 epidemic and all the other madness (the descent into fascism, the devastated economy, dogs and cats living together, etc etc).

I have been fortunate in that I've retained my job. I'm the Exec chef of a non-profit, and despite having little cheffing to do I have been retained at my full salary and doing my regular job (such as it is) and helping with other duties. Nowadays I'm living in the mountains of SW Montana, a long story I guess. It's not a bad place to be, the Last Best Place. My family is well and working from home, so I guess that's a blessing at a time when so many are out of work. And we did just legalize weed here, so there's that I guess.

Overall I am fine, but I got whacked with Bell's Palsy a couple weeks ago. While I generally hate to whine it truly sucks! :x Generally it's temporary, lasting from 3 weeks to a couple months. Fortunately it wasn't a stroke or tumor, and I guess as I get older I really can't take it for granted that the next ache or pain isn't the beginning of my demise. :o :lol:

Do I still love philosophy? I'll confess that I'm more and more struck by the futility of wisdom in a world that seems to have no use for it. Still, I suppose I still do.

Perhaps it's vanity that anyone here remembers me, as it has been a while. Is Gamer still about? Is De'Troph out of jail yet? Does PavlovianModel146 still come around on occasion? Is Tab still around? Or Tentative? Is Old Gobbo still obsessed with Organite and conspiracy theories? Is Peter Kropotkin still kicking about these boards?

Well, I hope my message finds you well. Happy Holidays and I hope you're all surviving the pandemic, my old friends of ILP! :orcs-cheers:
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:54 am

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Hello.. good to hear from you.. you get mentioned quite regularly, as members that are missed.

Sorry to hear about your health problem, but good that you and yours’ are still working..

No-one knows what’s happened to Gobbo, but the others do visit from time to time, albeit infrequently.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Phaedrus » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:04 am

An old familiar face/name! Greetings, MagsJ! The Bell's is irritating but not life threatening at all. Worst thing is that my right eye gets really dry and it's nearly impossible to drive after a few hours. I had Thanksgiving plans but given the pandemic maybe I will use this as a graceful way to avoid travel this time around.

I feel like I've kind of lost track of myself this last year. Nothing unusual there, I'm sure most of you are in the same boat. As much as I like to think of myself as a rock, a lone wolf, a self contained unit, the isolation has been hard for me (probably because I am a bit aloof). A big part of my identity has always been wrapped up in my job as a chef, a real ego-investment job in normal times. What am I when I'm not that? Luckily I have a deep passion for the outdoors and I live on the edge of a pretty vast tract of wilderness/forest not far from Jellystone Natl Park.

My forum usage is a bit sporadic but since there's a lot of down time I do make the rounds. Aside from ILP I'm active on a couple of forums dedicated to audio equipment, bushcraft/outdoors and old school RPGs (think white box Dungeons and Dragons, 1E AD&D, etc). It's nice to see some of the old familiar posters are still around. :mrgreen:
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:57 pm

Phaedrus wrote: Like most of you I have been dealing with the Trump-19, er, Covid-19 epidemic


When the truth comes out.

It was never about the actual Wuhan cold.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:55 pm

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COVID-19 vaccine anyone? ..anyone?

:lol:
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:07 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
COVID-19 vaccine anyone? ..anyone?

:lol:


There is no vaccine for TDS.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:09 pm

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TDS? Trump Derangement Syndrome?
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:10 pm

Yes ma'am.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Gloominary » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:05 pm

Years ago, Gobbo's thinking was fringe, now it's mainstream.
Even the left is doing it.
It's not so much a question of do you believe in conspiracy theories, as it is which cluster of conspiracy theories do you believe in?
Do you believe the conspiracy theory that Trump is a fascist and conspired with Russia to steal the election in 2016, or that Biden is a communist and conspired with China to steal the election in 2020?
For me and millions, perhaps billions of others, Covid-1984 and Marxist terrorists Antifa and BLM, which the dems conspired with to burn and loot America's cities and tear down its monuments, is communism, and such policies must be resisted by any means necessary.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:20 pm

Yes Phaedrus, I am still here... and I am glad you are too....

as for me, I am still trying to wake up people around here to their possibilities.....
I am working on my grand tour of philosophy.. its year 5...and into modern philosophy,
Heidegger to be exact... I hope to be of service to you if need be.....

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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Gloominary » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:37 pm

Then again, the left always had their conspiracy theories.
Many progressives, and some libertarians too were accusing George W of invading Afghanistan and Iraq for the respective opium and oil, that they made up the story about Saddam having ties with Al Qaeda and WMDs as pretext.
Both the right and left always had their conspiracy theories, it's just now that they're diverging more on policy, the conspiratorial thinking has gone mainstream.

Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: "Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt"

Hmmm, 'reverse' racism and sexism much?
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:44 pm

Gloominary wrote:Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: "Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt"

Hmmm, 'reverse' racism and sexism much?

A game of global battleships.. similar to the game of ILP battleships currently being played, but instead of claiming flags or resources, they’re claiming ILP accounts.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Phaedrus » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:06 pm

I'll be glad when we have a vaccine and things get back to normal. Well, more normal. The vaccine is almost done, just making a few tweaks to it.

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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Gloominary » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:19 pm

Phaedrus wrote:I'll be glad when we have a vaccine and things get back to normal. Well, more normal. The vaccine is almost done, just making a few tweaks to it.

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That's easy, just put the same amount of aluminum, bleach, formaldehyde, mercury and roundup in it that you put in other vaccines, or more, the more the merrier.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby promethean75 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:21 pm

The capitalist deep state has been trying to depopulate for decades... what with all the new machines of the future replacing the workers and stuff.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:33 pm

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Researchers delay coronavirus vaccine until
they figure out how to make it cause autism.

Lol =D>
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Gloominary » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:38 pm

Oh I almost forgot, don't forget the aborted fetal tissue and RNA altering nanotech! :D
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:18 pm

promethean75 wrote:The capitalist deep state has been trying to depopulate for decades... what with all the new machines of the future replacing the workers and stuff.


K: ok, point out exactly who is the "DEEP STATE".. Name names.. who would
I go to, to see someone in the "deep state"?

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Re: Dear ILP

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:21 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
promethean75 wrote:The capitalist deep state has been trying to depopulate for decades... what with all the new machines of the future replacing the workers and stuff.


K: ok, point out exactly who is the "DEEP STATE".. Name names.. who would
I go to, to see someone in the "deep state"?

Kropotkin


Well, here's one rendition of it: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... s#p2187045

Lots and lots of names here.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:02 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
promethean75 wrote:The capitalist deep state has been trying to depopulate for decades... what with all the new machines of the future replacing the workers and stuff.


K: ok, point out exactly who is the "DEEP STATE".. Name names.. who would
I go to, to see someone in the "deep state"?

Kropotkin


Well, here's one rendition of it: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... s#p2187045

Lots and lots of names here.


K: now, you do throw out a lot of names, but did you connect them to the "deep state?"
I have no idea if these people are actually members of the "deep state".. what is the
connection between these people and the "deep state"? how would one describe
being within the "deep state"?

for example, you mentioned the "Trilateral Commission" ok, great, start there...
how does the "Trilateral commission" work as part of the "deep state"? or how does
the "Bilderberg" work as part of the "deep state"? It is easy to just throw out a bunch
of names and say, hay, look, they are part of the "deep state"... but you have to
connect the dots.. and all I see are a list of names.. but nothing connected to
be part of the "deep state"....

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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:41 pm

whats up man the site if full of maga brainwashees now check it out its insane
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Dear ILP

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:47 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:whats up man the site if full of maga brainwashees now check it out its insane

There’s also plenty of the Left-leaning and Liberal on here.. what!
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Gloominary » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:45 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: "Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt"

Hmmm, 'reverse' racism and sexism much?

A game of global battleships.. similar to the game of ILP battleships currently being played, but instead of claiming flags or resources, they’re claiming ILP accounts.

Yup, the conflict at iLP is sort of a microcosm of the conflict in the western world.
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:16 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
promethean75 wrote:The capitalist deep state has been trying to depopulate for decades... what with all the new machines of the future replacing the workers and stuff.


K: ok, point out exactly who is the "DEEP STATE".. Name names.. who would
I go to, to see someone in the "deep state"?

Kropotkin


Well, here's one rendition of it: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... s#p2187045

Lots and lots of names here.


Peter Kropotkin wrote: K: now, you do throw out a lot of names, but did you connect them to the "deep state?"
I have no idea if these people are actually members of the "deep state".. what is the
connection between these people and the "deep state"? how would one describe
being within the "deep state"?

for example, you mentioned the "Trilateral Commission" ok, great, start there...
how does the "Trilateral commission" work as part of the "deep state"? or how does
the "Bilderberg" work as part of the "deep state"? It is easy to just throw out a bunch
of names and say, hay, look, they are part of the "deep state"... but you have to
connect the dots.. and all I see are a list of names.. but nothing connected to
be part of the "deep state"....

Kropotkin


I explained my reasoning behind the existence of a crony capitalist ruling class in American. Just as the reviewer of the film The American Ruling Class did here:

From the Bullfrog Films review of the film The American Ruling Class:

The American Ruling Class is one of the most unusual films to be made in America in recent years--both in terms of form and content. The form is a "dramatic-documentary-musical" and the content is our country's most taboo topic: class, power and privilege in our nominally democratic republic.

At bottom the film is a morality tale, the story of two Yale students (played by Harvard men) who seek their opportunities upon graduation. As the renowned essayist, author and longtime Harper's magazine editor Lewis Lapham conducts them through the corridors of power: Pentagon press briefings, the World Economic Forum, philanthropic foundations, Washington law firms, corporations, banks, the Council on Foreign Relations, and New York society dinners---our two representative graduates "one rich and the other not so rich" must struggle with their responsibilities in "a world collaterally damaged by the magic of money and the miracles of science." The real-life luminaries they meet on their journey become characters in a story about power, its responsibilities and abuses.

All the while "the Mighty Wurlitzer" plays on, a reference to the massive propaganda apparatus invented by the CIA's Frank Wisner, here used to signify the nocturnal philosophy of acquisition and imperial hubris which continually calls to the young men, the siren song of careerist myopia that was bred into their bones at school.

As we watch these two young men wend their way through what is only a slight fictionalization of their actual lives and choices, as we meet former Secretaries of State and Defense, directors of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, the publisher of The New York Times, Kurt Vonnegut, Howard Zinn, Barbara Ehrenreich, Robert Altman and a host of others, we have to ask along with Mr. Lapham: "To what end the genius of the Wall Street banks and the force of the Pentagon's colossal weapons? Where does America discover the wisdom to play with its wonderful toys?" The possible answers move beyond the empty distinction of party affiliation and into the heart of American Oligarchy itself. By film's end, the young men must decide: Should they seek to rule the world, or to save it?


Though, sure, if this does not constitute a behind the curtains Democratic/Republican "deep state" system rooted in crony capitalism to you, fine, call it something else then.

You have always struck me as more a political idealist. You have this idea of how the "good guys" should behave and how the "bad guys" behave instead.

And, I suspect, it is far removed from the manner in which I construe human identity/morality here as embedded existentially in this:

If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.

This is basically where folks like Karpel Tunnel want us to go. Me the moral nihilist focusing on the fractured and fragmented personality who embodies political prejudices and you more the political essentialist truly convinced that conservatives are wrong objectively.

We can go there if you want.

Given a particular context.
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Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: Dear ILP

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:27 am

Phaedrus wrote:Like most of you I have been dealing with the Trump-19, er, Covid-19 epidemic and all the other madness (the descent into fascism, the devastated economy, dogs and cats living together, etc etc).


Dear Phaedrus, you and I never interacted much, but I do remember you. I'm the amateur formerly known as Sauwelios, by the way. Anyway, ILP needs you! For these days, it's mostly occupied by madmen, Trump fans and other fascists...
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