Gloominary wrote:While I'm pro-choice, I think it's pathetic how polarized and simpleminded liberals and conservatives have allowed themselves to become, or rather have been manipulated into becoming by the elite, divide and rule.
What happened to having an opinion, allowing everyone to have theirs, and having a civil discussion about it?
I mean whether the serfs are allowed to have late-term abortions or not, they're still serfs, and the underlying power structure, the real enemy remains totally unscathed, so let's reserve our hatred for that.
Zero_Sum wrote:Gloominary wrote:While I'm pro-choice, I think it's pathetic how polarized and simpleminded liberals and conservatives have allowed themselves to become, or rather have been manipulated into becoming by the elite, divide and rule.
What happened to having an opinion, allowing everyone to have theirs, and having a civil discussion about it?
I mean whether the serfs are allowed to have late-term abortions or not, they're still serfs, and the underlying power structure, the real enemy remains totally unscathed, so let's reserve our hatred for that.
In my mind both the neo liberals and the conservatives conned by neo conservatives are bunch of fucking idiots. It is one of the reasons why I hate both parties in the United States and day dream of a centrally economic planned nation of national socialism in the future. For me national socialism as an idea created in France not Germany (most do not know that) is simply the best kind of government we can ever hope for.
Gloominary wrote:Zero_Sum wrote:Gloominary wrote:While I'm pro-choice, I think it's pathetic how polarized and simpleminded liberals and conservatives have allowed themselves to become, or rather have been manipulated into becoming by the elite, divide and rule.
What happened to having an opinion, allowing everyone to have theirs, and having a civil discussion about it?
I mean whether the serfs are allowed to have late-term abortions or not, they're still serfs, and the underlying power structure, the real enemy remains totally unscathed, so let's reserve our hatred for that.
In my mind both the neo liberals and the conservatives conned by neo conservatives are bunch of fucking idiots. It is one of the reasons why I hate both parties in the United States and day dream of a centrally economic planned nation of national socialism in the future. For me national socialism as an idea created in France not Germany (most do not know that) is simply the best kind of government we can ever hope for.
Really?
I'm kind of surprised to hear you say that, I thought you were an anarchist/egoist, in the vein of Max Stirner?
Do you think national socialism began with Napoleon, and if so, what were the important differences between Napoleonic national socialism and the 3rd Reich, for you?
disavowing of anarchism a couple pages back in this thread.
Gloominary wrote:@Zero Sumdisavowing of anarchism a couple pages back in this thread.
Oh, I shall have to read that and get back to you.
GLOOMINARY: Do you think national socialism began with Napoleon, and if so, what were the important differences between Napoleonic national socialism and the 3rd Reich, for you?
Gloominary wrote:Rather than ideologically define myself positively, and specifically a this or a that, I'd say more than anything I'm anti-capitalism, anti-humanism, and anti-scientism (not necessarily science), which I think are the three prevailing ideologies of the modern era.
As for what I'd replace capitalism with, I have a few things in mind, one is anarchism/egoism, two is what I call national libertarian ecosocialism, and three is what I will call national philosophical ecosocialism.
I might expound on these ideas soon.
Rather than seeing capitalism and corporatism as closer to egoism than socialism, I see them as closer to altruism, and socialism as closer to egoism...if you're poor that is, as capitalism and corporatism are both systems that primarily benefit the haves: big business and the megabanks.
And also there's uncapitalistic ways to do a freemarket, that'd still benefit the poor at the expense of the rich, see Benjamin Tucker for that.
Gloominary wrote:Myself I could only be an elitist if 1. I was a member of the elite, and/or 2. it was a philosophical elite based on temperance, like in Plato's Republic, and there was still some democracy and rights for the people, in case the elite were to become corrupt.
I could never support an absolute dictatorship, or a corporate oligarchy, which's essentially what we have today.
And such a philosophical elite could never come out of a corporate oligarchy, it would have to challenge it from outside somehow.
National libertarian ecosocialism? Anarchism cannot and will not work for a majority of the population. A few making up less than one percent of the population of rugged individuals might jump off the reservation independently on their own but that's all. Beyond that it cannot in any meaningful way exist at all for the majority of the planet.
Zero_Sum wrote:Gloominary wrote:Myself I could only be an elitist if 1. I was a member of the elite, and/or 2. it was a philosophical elite based on temperance, like in Plato's Republic, and there was still some democracy and rights for the people, in case the elite were to become corrupt.
I could never support an absolute dictatorship, or a corporate oligarchy, which's essentially what we have today.
And such a philosophical elite could never come out of a corporate oligarchy, it would have to challenge it from outside somehow.
I am all for a monarchical kind of state concerning a national socialist dictatorship where the heirs of the chancellor become the next chancellor in each succession. Now you might say this will breed a kind of unchecked tyranny overtime but I would say something very closely to Jefferson in that every twenty years or so there needs to be a violent bloody revolution as a counter stop gap measure against any form of internal corruption. A chancellor can be usurped and dethroned which is fine if there is a need for that so long as the chancellorship remains intact in continuance.
As for democracy, fuck democracy! Democracy is the reason why the world is on the path to global destruction right now and why we're stuck with entitled bureaucratic idiots in charge of everything. In my perfect world they're rounded up by a secret police and firmly executed, no need for a trial or jury either in the process.
As for the supreme chancellor they would be a philosopher king in that they are somebody extremely educated in all forms of the state, society, and economics but also on existentialism itself. They would be ruthless against enemies of the state both domestic and foreign but also very compassionate or giving to the state's citizens. They would be trained in the art of war but also wise, intelligent, and knowledgeable in the various disciplines of mind.
There would be no independent states, local governments, or territories as everything would fall under the rule of the chancellor. There would be no congress like the United States has currently. There would be senators, lawmakers, and various heads of council that act as an advisory committee to the chancellor but at the end of the day all decisions are absolute or finalized by the chancellor who has all the power. More importantly all banks, corporations, news outlets, universities, schools, and social media would fall under the state's control where if anybody threatens the well being or security of the nation once again is either executed or imprisoned. That means if bankers, corporate CEO's, merchants, or media heads do anything against the nation they're imprisoned or executed. No pardons, exclusions, or forgiveness, they're simply done!
Under this style of government there is no out of control aristocracy especially of the financial class which would lower corruption considerably as fear is a powerful motivator of reduction.
Upon the first chancellorship being enacted the national motto would be, "Enemies of the state are either imprisoned, publicly executed, or shot on sight where all lesser offenses will be met with public lashings."
This is my ideal state of government and society.
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