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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:29 pm

What is this shit about I and E? I stopped using IE explorer since I got rid of AOL dialup.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:31 pm

All I know is there was this homeless bitch (who's mom did crack) in the bed with me one night, fucked her in the butt, hurt my dick and I was like "Why did god give me a dick. Shoulda been born a herm, but I can't be born herm because doctors would have cut off my vag and butchered me." I said fuck you god, fuck you doctors, fuck you society and fuck you humanity.

Then I went on ILP and posted. Some people have higher ideals, such as philosophy over sex.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:49 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Look, im down with u sissifying me on the bedroom, touching my dick and forbidding me to cum until u say so. that im cool with conforming to your demands.

:lol:

Good to know, but I am a celibate.

I agree that I and E are interchangeable.. when necessary, or a situation dictates it... an example of this being: when I occasionally choose to 'live a very very wild lifestyle'. ;)
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:04 pm

Turd Ferguson wrote:I'm not playing doctor, haven't played since I was five in the bushes...

Maybe not in a sexual manner (btw you started early, didn't you?) but you are doing it.. in a manner only you know why.

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Mags,

Definitely an "I" unless some Turd assaults another then the "E" checks the asshole.

Because (for whatever reason) Turd cannot interchange that aspect of his type, his brain tells him that anyone who exhibits it is an extrovert.. to the annoyance of those that can. Instead of understanding or trying to understand, he refuses to acknowledge factors such as environment, nurture, age, experiences, etc. to enable the process to occasionally happen.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:03 am

Does a statement in a sig make a fact, or did my previous post grate on your ego? Tell me what you think I was like as an ESFJ child or don't, and shut up about this forever.

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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:15 am

Yeah, I usually use the mobile version of the site, so didn't see I didn't have the ESFJ up anymore, but you still did, then I realized you were not complimenting my signature because you cared about starving orphans under attack by militias, but only cared for your own false vanity, and saw you kept your INFJ scam going while not updating your signature to something more reasonable.

So, as the top proponent of MBTI with well over a decade of proveable experience in tying people, I'm honor bound to explain to people the truth, despite your false advertising, and still choose to help those little children. Those kids trump your little situation, so they get top billing. Until I hear you've taken down your INFJ thing, I'm required to maintain my ESFJ typology of you, so people don't get confused. I have social responsibilities here, you know.

Now stop bitching like a ESFJ and let's get back to philosophy.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:32 am

What was I like as an ESFJ baby, toddler, child, teen, adult, am I like now? You have no idea have you?
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:40 am

I believe as a ESFJ, you rebelled against enclosed limits, and slept without walls until a external threat forced a fatherly figure in your life to wall you in.

You were also very lazy your first year of life, refused to walk, then was slow to adopt the toilet. You started talking at a earlier age, and liked playing games with local kids. You also enjoyed the excitement of gossip, and your patents always emotionally supported you. You decided to aim for the stars.

You also developed a golden shower fetish, as all ESFJs do. Even if it hasn't happened yet, you will.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:20 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:Yeah, I usually use the mobile version of the site, so didn't see I didn't have the ESFJ up anymore, but you still did, then I realized you were not complimenting my signature because you cared about starving orphans under attack by militias, but only cared for your own false vanity,

Did you not think that it could have been both? both thinking that what that guy does is awesomely altruistic, whilst ensuring I am not being misunderstood? coz that's tiring you know.. :sleeping-sleep:

...and saw you kept your INFJ scam going while not updating your signature to something more reasonable.
To something more reasonable being something that you feel comfortable with?
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:07 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:I believe as a ESFJ, you rebelled against enclosed limits, and slept without walls until a external threat forced a fatherly figure in your life to wall you in.

You were also very lazy your first year of life, refused to walk, then was slow to adopt the toilet. You started talking at a earlier age, and liked playing games with local kids. You also enjoyed the excitement of gossip, and your patents always emotionally supported you. You decided to aim for the stars.

My mum would put you straight on all that, but she would probably be likely to disclose my more unpleasant sides :) in fact.. a person wouldn't be able to stop her talking and would have to conduct their day around her.

Turd Ferguson wrote:You also developed a golden shower fetish, as all ESFJs do. Even if it hasn't happened yet, you will.
You seem very sure that I will develope this 'golden shower' fetish... I may have others and not that one, you know. ;)

Or I may be lieing :D
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:38 am

Everyone already knows your gay and like to watch, and that your into erotic degradation. Malcolm X told us all about that shit in his autobiography. Nobody is surprised by it one bit either, and can see through it. Why you keep pushing this farther and farther publicalky. Introverted Sensing in ESFJs is quite the bitch. It's your secondary function as a ESFJ, and thus you think your so fucking secretative and complex because of it. Hope you get your fill of peepee. Your nights out on the town is just you trying to balance your EF Extroverted Feeling.

This explains it somewhat:

http://personalitygrowth.com/introverted-sensing-si/

I hope you enjoy watching and participating in your degrading sexual fetishes. I understand your attraction to high quality soaps, to clean the filth off afterwards when you come back to your senses.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:51 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:Everyone already knows your gay and like to watch, and that your into erotic degradation. Malcolm X told us all about that shit in his autobiography. Nobody is surprised by it one bit either, and can see through it. Why you keep pushing this farther and farther publicalky. Introverted Sensing in ESFJs is quite the bitch. It's your secondary function as a ESFJ, and thus you think your so fucking secretative and complex because of it. Hope you get your fill of peepee. Your nights out on the town is just you trying to balance your EF Extroverted Feeling.

This explains it somewhat:

http://personalitygrowth.com/introverted-sensing-si/

I hope you enjoy watching and participating in your degrading sexual fetishes. I understand your attraction to high quality soaps, to clean the filth off afterwards when you come back to your senses.

This all begs the question... what are you on?

With each link and every reply, you confirm what I am not, but you know that don't you..
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:11 am

This all begs the question... what are you on?


I'm on a folding cot.

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With each link and every reply, you confirm what I am not, but you know that don't you..


Inherently false, everyone has that aspect to them, it is part of all of our mental makeup. You'll find every type on the net discusses their fetishes, and nothing is exclusive. However, knowing the main, secondary, tritary and shadow sequence, I can predict in very high order how voluntary and quick that will emerged in someone, or how estranged they will be to it initially, but this doesn't mean immunity by any means.

Your just the peepee watcher type who likes the display of it all, and how it gives meaning in a safe and secure way.

Example, how do you think your emphasis on social fad diets relate to the above, and how it effects your sense of self? Your gonna have a very difficult time explaining this without touching on the functions mentioned above. It works both ways.

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Typical Sensitivities and Projections
Extraverted Feeling types can be particularly sensitive about others’ assessment of their intellectual competence. Although they don’t usually doubt their abilities, they may worry that they have not communicated their knowledge clearly. In comparing themselves to others, they may see themselves as slow to learn and lacking in analytical facility.Though many, especially ENFJs, are high achievers, some feel they are at a disadvantage in highly intellectual and technical endeavors. This sensitivity about their intellectual competence makes Extraverted Feeling types particularly attuned to comments that could be interpreted as reflecting on their adequacy. In the early stages of an inferior function episode, this may manifest as a projection onto others of their own feared incompetence.They may notice and comment on others’ inaccuracies and their failure to recognize reality and confront the truth. Such projection can be seen in the intensity with which they criticize others’ behavior, particularly in the area of control.


Extraverted Feeling types may be quick to identify other people’s illogical behavior, but they may apply a different set of criteria to their own equally nonlogical actions.An ENFJ complained that his INFP wife’s art studio was not set up systematically.“You really should put things into some logical order so they’ll be right there when you need them,” he told her. She replied that her current system suited her way of working. “But it’s just not rational,” he responded. When his wife likened the “disorganization” he perceived in her studio to his illogical way of organizing his household chores—his inefficient way of ordering tasks and his tendency to leave tasks half done—he insisted that this was not the same thing.“The cleaning gets done, doesn’t it?” he said heatedly. “My artwork gets done, too,” she replied. He remained blind to the similarity.
Expressions Through Interests and Hobbies
Perhaps because the demands of their daily work and home lives require them to use their less-preferred processes, Extraverted Feeling types seem to choose recreational activities that engage their dominant and auxiliary functions rather than their tertiary or inferior ones.They enjoy such activities as entertaining, playing bridge, participating in group sports, and generally socializing. A hardworking, highly regarded ENFJ district attorney loved to organize large dinner parties that brought together people from different parts of her busy life. Extraverted Feeling types are often avid readers who enjoy discussing books with friends or becoming active members of book groups.


Home improvement hobbies are also quite satisfying to Extraverted Feeling types. Sewing, crafting, building, carpentry, decorating, and gardening are often mentioned as enjoyable activities. ESFJs and ENFJs may be great joiners of civic, political, or school-related groups and tend to willingly take on leadership roles. One ESFJ, who enjoys a demanding career, takes pleasure in cooking elaborate meals for others,working in her garden so it will look beautiful, and writing lengthy letters to old friends— all activities that give her special joy because she has so little time for them
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:15 am

Here is your misidentified at I on, largely due to your hipocrisy:

Typical Provocations or Triggers
Extraverted Feeling types respond with inferior Introverted Thinking when they perceive they are being misunderstood, not trusted, not taken seriously, or pressured to conform to some prevailing view with which they disagree. In fact, any situation in which conflict persists and remains unresolved can activate the inferior function of ESFJs and ENFJs. Being unable to use their natural preferences can also serve as a provocation since it arouses their sensitivity about their competence. An ESFJ mentioned as triggers “too many things to do all at once; short time frames, extra responsibilities and tasks that require me to think on my own and don’t allow me to bounce ideas off of others.” When asked what provoked being “beside himself,” an ENFJ responded, “too many demands and feeling that I’m not appreciated, that I’m being taken for granted, and that what I do doesn’t matter to anyone.” Another ENFJ cited “impersonal treatment, criticism, and not being appreciated for my contribution.” An ESFJ said “when people disagree with my point of view and attack me personally.”Another cited “if I can’t get my point across no matter how hard I try; when I’m not allowed to talk something out to get it resolved.” ESFJs and ENFJs recognize that disagreements can arise and that criticism is a necessary aspect of working with people. However, the way in which critiquing and conflict are handled makes a difference. An ENFJ stated that what could provoke an inferior function response for her was “criticism that is delivered in an unfeeling way—or when I find out that I have done something that hurt another person and the person doesn’t tell me until months later.”
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:19 am

Hipocrisy continued:

Some Extraverted Feeling types mention becoming uncharacteristically logical and analytical, with a tendency to think before they speak, when they are in the grip of their inferior function. Such experiences of Introverted Thinking are not generally seen as either positive or negative—merely as strangely different. Perhaps the prevailing societal favoring of Extraversion over Introversion makes Introverted forays into Extraversion (note the comments for Introverted Feeling types and Introverted Thinking types) more appealing to Introverts than the converse experience of Introversion for Extraverts. For Extraverted Feeling types, the more obviously distressing aspects of “losing” their dominant Extraverted function seem more prominent. Falling into the grip for them is preceded by a diminution or an absence of characteristic Extraverted Feeling qualities. General optimism, enthusiasm, and interest in people give way to low energy, pessimism, and depression. Uncharacteristic withdrawal from usual activities and becoming highly critical of others are consistent responses for male and female ESFJs and ENFJs. “I’m different in being Introverted. I don’t make contact, call friends, go to social events, meetings, the theater. I may accept an invitation, but only if someone urges me. I get concerned about my health. I have no plans, no vision, the future is bleak. I am numb, without feeling or zest for life,” said an ESFJ. An ENFJ said, “I am quiet and withdrawn and want to be alone and reflect on what is happening.” Commented another, “I feel phony and uncomfortable, like a fish out of water. I am unable to be my usual spontaneous self.”Another ENFJ said,“I don’t make eye contact. I can’t share what is going on inside me. I feel tight and negative.” An ESFJ said,“I want to be alone—I’m uninterested in anyone else.” Jung’s (1976a) comment on the inferior function of Extraverted Feeling types touches on all three of these features: The unconscious of this type contains first and foremost a peculiar kind of thinking, a thinking that is infantile, archaic, negative. . . .The stronger the conscious feeling is and the more ego-less it becomes, the stronger grows the unconscious opposition. . . . The unconscious thinking reaches the surface in the form of obsessive ideas which are invariably of a negative and deprecatory character. Tertiary Sensing and Intuition serve to support the negative judgments that are made.The tertiary Intuition of ESFJs generates vague, negative“hypotheses” that affirm their convoluted “logical” critical stance about themselves and others. ENFJs bring their tertiary Sensing to bear by coming up with negative past and present “facts” that support their complicated and largely illogical critical judgments. As energy continues to be withdrawn from the dominant and auxiliary functions, inferior Introverted Thinking intrudes in the form of excessive criticism, convoluted logic, and a compulsive search for truth.
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Re: Personality tested MM

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Recognizing the Inferior Function in ESFJs

Below is an excerpt from Naomi Quenk's book "Was That Really Me?" which deals with how we act when we are in the grip of our inferior function. This isn't the whole book, and not even the entire chapter. The book itself goes into much more detail and gives more examples that I've edited out for the sake of brevity. But this should give a good indication of whether or not you can identify with Inferior Ti or not. Often there is some question as to whether a person is ISFJ or ESFJ. Many ISFJs may think they are extraverts if their auxiliary Extraverted Feeling is strong. Distinguishing the inferior function can be a quick way to mitigate these types of quandaries as the differences between Inferior-Ne in ISFJ and Inferior-Ti in ESFJ are fairly pronounced. Excerpts of this book have been posted on this site before, and also over at Typology Central and of course the full book is available if you want to learn all the different types. I hope this can be stickied. I encourage you to read the entire book. Amazon.com: Was That Really Me?: How Everyday Stress Brings Out Our Hidden Personality (9780891061700): Naomi L. Quenk: Books
Extraverted Feeling Types E S F J a n d E N F J BASIC TYPE DYNAMICS Dominant Extraverted Feeling Auxiliary Introverted Sensing or Intuition Tertiary Intuition or Sensing Inferior Introverted Thinking

by Naomi L. Quenk

Important Features of Dominant Extraverted Feeling
Extraverted Feeling (Fe) types typically radiate goodwill and enthusiasm.They are optimistic about life in general, and human potential in particular.They prefer to focus on the positive, harmonious, and uplifting aspects of people and human relations, paying little attention to negative, pessimistic, limiting, and divisive messages, situations, and conclusions.Their primary goal is to create and maintain good feeling and harmony among people. Although ESFJs and ENFJs may recognize judgments that rely heavily on logical analysis, cause-and-effect relationships, and statistical odds, they largely ignore such factors in making decisions. Others may therefore see these types as making decisions that “fly in the face of logic.” Thinking types may be particularly puzzled and frustrated when an Extraverted Feeling type accurately describes the logical conclusions warranted by a situation but decides in favor of harmony and caring. From a Thinking point of view, using such a criterion in decision making is inappropriate. Extraverted Feeling types are careful not to hurt others’ feelings and try to take others’ well-being into account. If they cannot avoid telling someone an unpleasant truth, they will carefully soften the message by putting it in an affirmative context. Unconditional positive regard is a strongly held value. As a result of their natural pleasure in pleasing others, Extraverted Feeling types can mistakenly be seen as overly caring or even codependent. In reality, attending to others’ needs is usually a satisfying, legitimate way of expressing their dominant Feeling preference. In a crisis that does not activate their inferior function, ESFJs and ENFJs focus on alleviating the concerns and suffering of others.They are comfortable letting others manage the more technical aspects of a crisis so they can devote their energies to creating a cooperative, comfortable atmosphere for crisis victims. When a situation demands more forceful methods, however, they will take any action necessary for the benefit of others.
The Everyday Introverted Thinking of Extraverted Feeling Types
The inferior function affects Extraverted Feeling types in several different ways. These include their everyday sensitivities, projections, and ways of relaxing, as well as the dramatic manifestations that can be seen when the inferior erupts and a full-blown episode occurs, or when an ESFJ or ENFJ is chronically in the grip because of long-term stress.
Typical Sensitivities and Projections
Extraverted Feeling types can be particularly sensitive about others’ assessment of their intellectual competence. Although they don’t usually doubt their abilities, they may worry that they have not communicated their knowledge clearly. In comparing themselves to others, they may see themselves as slow to learn and lacking in analytical facility.Though many, especially ENFJs, are high achievers, some feel they are at a disadvantage in highly intellectual and technical endeavors. This sensitivity about their intellectual competence makes Extraverted Feeling types particularly attuned to comments that could be interpreted as reflecting on their adequacy. In the early stages of an inferior function episode, this may manifest as a projection onto others of their own feared incompetence.They may notice and comment on others’ inaccuracies and their failure to recognize reality and confront the truth. Such projection can be seen in the intensity with which they criticize others’ behavior, particularly in the area of control. An ESFJ became furious whenever her INTP supervisor barged into her office and interrupted her to talk about whatever was important to him at the time. In reflecting on her reaction, she realized that she herself needed to resist barging in on others and demanding their attention when she had a problem to solve or was upset about something. Extraverted Feeling types may be quick to identify other people’s illogical behavior, but they may apply a different set of criteria to their own equally nonlogical actions.An ENFJ complained that his INFP wife’s art studio was not set up systematically.“You really should put things into some logical order so they’ll be right there when you need them,” he told her. She replied that her current system suited her way of working. “But it’s just not rational,” he responded. When his wife likened the “disorganization” he perceived in her studio to his illogical way of organizing his household chores—his inefficient way of ordering tasks and his tendency to leave tasks half done—he insisted that this was not the same thing.“The cleaning gets done, doesn’t it?” he said heatedly. “My artwork gets done, too,” she replied. He remained blind to the similarity.
Expressions Through Interests and Hobbies
Perhaps because the demands of their daily work and home lives require them to use their less-preferred processes, Extraverted Feeling types seem to choose recreational activities that engage their dominant and auxiliary functions rather than their tertiary or inferior ones.They enjoy such activities as entertaining, playing bridge, participating in group sports, and generally socializing. A hardworking, highly regarded ENFJ district attorney loved to organize large dinner parties that brought together people from different parts of her busy life. Extraverted Feeling types are often avid readers who enjoy discussing books with friends or becoming active members of book groups. Home improvement hobbies are also quite satisfying to Extraverted Feeling types. Sewing, crafting, building, carpentry, decorating, and gardening are often mentioned as enjoyable activities. ESFJs and ENFJs may be great joiners of civic, political, or school-related groups and tend to willingly take on leadership roles. One ESFJ, who enjoys a demanding career, takes pleasure in cooking elaborate meals for others,working in her garden so it will look beautiful, and writing lengthy letters to old friends— all activities that give her special joy because she has so little time for them. ESFJs and ENFJs may also enthusiastically support the work, interests, and hobbies of their spouses and/or children, taking great pleasure in developing at least some expertise in the relevant areas. One ENFJ learned all he could about his wife’s research area and was as genuinely excited as she was when the results fit her hypotheses.
Eruptions of Inferior Introverted Thinking
When one or more of the preconditions for an eruption of the inferior function are present, Introverted Thinking appears in its more exaggerated, disruptive form.
Typical Provocations or Triggers
Extraverted Feeling types respond with inferior Introverted Thinking when they perceive they are being misunderstood, not trusted, not taken seriously, or pressured to conform to some prevailing view with which they disagree. In fact, any situation in which conflict persists and remains unresolved can activate the inferior function of ESFJs and ENFJs. Being unable to use their natural preferences can also serve as a provocation since it arouses their sensitivity about their competence. An ESFJ mentioned as triggers “too many things to do all at once; short time frames, extra responsibilities and tasks that require me to think on my own and don’t allow me to bounce ideas off of others.” When asked what provoked being “beside himself,” an ENFJ responded, “too many demands and feeling that I’m not appreciated, that I’m being taken for granted, and that what I do doesn’t matter to anyone.” Another ENFJ cited “impersonal treatment, criticism, and not being appreciated for my contribution.” An ESFJ said “when people disagree with my point of view and attack me personally.”Another cited “if I can’t get my point across no matter how hard I try; when I’m not allowed to talk something out to get it resolved.” ESFJs and ENFJs recognize that disagreements can arise and that criticism is a necessary aspect of working with people. However, the way in which critiquing and conflict are handled makes a difference. An ENFJ stated that what could provoke an inferior function response for her was “criticism that is delivered in an unfeeling way—or when I find out that I have done something that hurt another person and the person doesn’t tell me until months later.”
Triggers and Stressors at Work
Work environments that force conformity to values that are contrary to those of the Extraverted Feeling type, that place other concerns above the welfare of people, and that fail to recognize the individual contributions and value of employees are very stressful for ESFJs and ENFJs. For one ESFJ, the work demands that are most stressful are “high technology, strong competition between work peers, a lack of opportunity to show my strengths, and being placed in situations in which I am constantly using my inferior function.” Conflict in the workplace is also upsetting for Extraverted Feeling types.Working with uncooperative or undermining people and dealing with an overwhelming workload are particularly stressful for ESFJs. Female ENFJs often mention dealing with details, general disorganization, and lack of recognition as quite stressful. One cited “details, proofreading—routine detail tasks,” and another, “plowing through detail” as sources of work stress. In work situations in which the particular stressors for Extraverted Feeling types continue over long periods, ESFJs and ENFJs may respond quickly and intensely to the triggers described here. This increases the likelihood that their subsequent demonstrations of “grip” behavior will be frequent and pervasive.When persistent stress causes them to be chronically in the grip of inferior Introverted Thinking, they are likely to lose touch with their natural optimism and trust in human potential and become negative, critical, and judgmental toward everything and everyone around them.
The Form of the Inferior Function
Some Extraverted Feeling types mention becoming uncharacteristically logical and analytical, with a tendency to think before they speak, when they are in the grip of their inferior function. Such experiences of Introverted Thinking are not generally seen as either positive or negative—merely as strangely different. Perhaps the prevailing societal favoring of Extraversion over Introversion makes Introverted forays into Extraversion (note the comments for Introverted Feeling types and Introverted Thinking types) more appealing to Introverts than the converse experience of Introversion for Extraverts. For Extraverted Feeling types, the more obviously distressing aspects of “losing” their dominant Extraverted function seem more prominent. Falling into the grip for them is preceded by a diminution or an absence of characteristic Extraverted Feeling qualities. General optimism, enthusiasm, and interest in people give way to low energy, pessimism, and depression. Uncharacteristic withdrawal from usual activities and becoming highly critical of others are consistent responses for male and female ESFJs and ENFJs. “I’m different in being Introverted. I don’t make contact, call friends, go to social events, meetings, the theater. I may accept an invitation, but only if someone urges me. I get concerned about my health. I have no plans, no vision, the future is bleak. I am numb, without feeling or zest for life,” said an ESFJ. An ENFJ said, “I am quiet and withdrawn and want to be alone and reflect on what is happening.” Commented another, “I feel phony and uncomfortable, like a fish out of water. I am unable to be my usual spontaneous self.”Another ENFJ said,“I don’t make eye contact. I can’t share what is going on inside me. I feel tight and negative.” An ESFJ said,“I want to be alone—I’m uninterested in anyone else.” Jung’s (1976a) comment on the inferior function of Extraverted Feeling types touches on all three of these features: The unconscious of this type contains first and foremost a peculiar kind of thinking, a thinking that is infantile, archaic, negative. . . .The stronger the conscious feeling is and the more ego-less it becomes, the stronger grows the unconscious opposition. . . . The unconscious thinking reaches the surface in the form of obsessive ideas which are invariably of a negative and deprecatory character. Tertiary Sensing and Intuition serve to support the negative judgments that are made.The tertiary Intuition of ESFJs generates vague, negative“hypotheses” that affirm their convoluted “logical” critical stance about themselves and others. ENFJs bring their tertiary Sensing to bear by coming up with negative past and present “facts” that support their complicated and largely illogical critical judgments. As energy continues to be withdrawn from the dominant and auxiliary functions, inferior Introverted Thinking intrudes in the form of excessive criticism, convoluted logic, and a compulsive search for truth.
Excessive Criticism
Effective dominant Introverted Thinking types critique ideas, products, systems, and methods. The inferior Introverted Thinking of Extraverted Feeling types appears in the form of a sweeping condemnation of people. In the grip of inferior Thinking, ESFJs and ENFJs may “dump” on other people, slam doors, yell, make biting comments, and say terse, blunt, or even cruel things to others. They often become physically tense, grit their teeth, clench their fists, and appear visibly agitated. Both Extraverted Feeling types frequently mention “laying a ‘guilt trip’” on those closest to them as responses to being in the grip.An ESFJ said that her automatic response to anyone’s “excuses” about his or her work is to state emphatically,“Well, it’s not good enough!” A hostile, negative atmosphere can elicit sharp, biting, even vicious comments from Extraverted Feeling types.They seem to dig in their heels, becoming impervious to either logical or feeling arguments.As one ENFJ described,“I become cranky, judgmental, and angry. I mistrust myself and others. Normally, I instinctively trust everyone. I am different when I am not acting from trust. Often this occurs when I feel I am not trusted or understood, or when there is conflict and tension around me.” An ESFJ reported becoming steely and caustic; another described herself as being coolly objective when her strongly held feelings were violated. One ESFJ was convinced that everyone took advantage of her good-natured, helpful ISFP husband. She persistently berated him for his weakness and loudly condemned his family and friends for their rude behavior. “I am like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde,” said an ENFJ, describing his reaction to extreme stress.“My humor becomes inappropriate, meant to shock people. I’ve even been known to throw things while in this frame of mind.” An ESFJ said he becomes “angry, out of control, critical, responding too quickly to others with impatience, cutting a person off when they speak.” “I’m critical rather than seeking harmony, self-protective rather than ‘giving,’” said an ENFJ. As their Extraverted energy further diminishes, their criticism is internalized, resulting in self-deprecatory judgments. Turning the criticism inward encourages depression, low self-esteem, and guilty embarrassment at revealing what they view as their alien and unacceptable side.
Convoluted Logic
In the grip of inferior Thinking, the Extraverted Feeling types’ attempts at logical analysis take the form of categorical, all-or-none judgments that are often based on irrelevant data. A highly idiosyncratic “logical” model may be developed internally, but the resulting conclusions may violate good logic. In describing this quality, Marie Von Franz (1971) stated that because Extraverted Feeling types ’Thinking is neglected,“it tends to become negative and coarse. It consists of coarse, primitive Thinking judgments, without the slightest differentiation and very often with a negative tinge” “My thinking becomes rigid and I insist on solving problems alone, with none of my typical sharing,” said one ENFJ.“I maintain a front, even though I feel unworthy. I am verbally critical, organize more, and become rigid, perfectionistic, and angry. I want the world to go away.” Another ENFJ described being “inside my head analyzing—adding two and two and getting five and knowing it’s right.” Elaborate, logical “plots” may be developed by the Extraverted Feeling type in the grip of negative Introverted Thinking.These take the form of complicated and improbable scenarios for dealing with or eliminating the distress or disharmony in question. ESFJs and ENFJs frequently describe making up “stories,” the goal of which is to explain some upsetting event or solve some nagging problem. An ENFJ recalled that at the age of twelve, she was required to participate in a field day of sporting events. Convinced of her lack of skill in this area, she wanted to avoid embarrassing herself in front of her peers. She plotted various ways to break her leg or ankle, such as falling out of a tree or being run over by a car, but she abandoned her plans, reasoning that she would probably suffer more than minor injury. She also recognized that a lot of pain could be involved. Ironically, her forced participation resulted in her placing third in the broad jump. Often the source of the problem stimulating the “story” is meanness or criticism directed at the Extraverted Feeling type or a close associate. An ESFJ with a long commute to work was frequently distressed by other drivers’ rude, inconsiderate behavior. He found himself “making up a long and involved story about one particular rude driver, in which I imagined the kind of work he did, his family relationships, the daily events that affected him, and the possible mitigating circumstances that caused his meanness to me.” The imaginary explanation served to restore harmony and allowed the ESFJ to retain his positive valuation of people.
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Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:58 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:
This all begs the question... what are you on?


I'm on a folding cot.

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Best piece of furniture I own.

The comfort factor for that looks.. zero.

With each link and every reply, you confirm what I am not, but you know that don't you..


Inherently false, everyone has that aspect to them, it is part of all of our mental makeup. You'll find every type on the net discusses their fetishes, and nothing is exclusive. However, knowing the main, secondary, tritary and shadow sequence, I can predict in very high order how voluntary and quick that will emerged in someone, or how estranged they will be to it initially, but this doesn't mean immunity by any means.

Your just the peepee watcher type who likes the display of it all, and how it gives meaning in a safe and secure way.
You seem to be under the impression that I have witnessed this act, and how does watching give meaning? and to what?

Example, how do you think your emphasis on social fad diets relate to the above, and how it effects your sense of self? Your gonna have a very difficult time explaining this without touching on the functions mentioned above. It works both ways.
Social fad diets? and which one in particular would that be?

That's a lot of negativity going on in the articles you quoted... they have time for that?
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Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:37 am

This cot is super comfortable. You don't know how to appreciate the luxuries of the finer things in life.
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Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:55 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:You don't know how to appreciate the luxuries of the finer things in life.

...if they look like that, then probably not, no.

You've got a bed to sleep on.. that's the main thing.
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Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:41 pm

I have a queen sized bed too, but rejected it for the floor too. Eventuly compromised for the floor.

Sometimes I reject everything I own, throeing it out and going full hobo, it has happened a few times. Old philosophical tradition.
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Postby MagsJ » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:36 pm

Turd Ferguson wrote:I have a queen sized bed too, but rejected it for the floor too. Eventuly compromised for the floor.

Sometimes I reject everything I own, throeing it out and going full hobo, it has happened a few times. Old philosophical tradition.

I guess one's got to do what one feels, and what one feels is best to do.

I am not averse to sleeping on floors.. or any hard surface, as when needs and sleep must.. I do.

I have to declutter every so often (clothes, shoes, belongings) or I can't deal/can't bear/can't think, and now is one of those times, so I'm sure that many here understand your dilemma.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:36 pm

Minimalism is good both practically and philosophically. Practically because one has more space. Philosophically because there is less to become
attached to. Buddhism teaches that craving which is a form of attachment is the root of all suffering so letting go is good. I used to be a hoarder
but the only things I collect now are records and books or magazines. So I am more free as I have become less attached. I have learned to let go
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Postby MagsJ » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:20 pm

I have decided to start collecting rare or just down right beautiful exotic plants, and the minute I decide this Winter sets in.. but I can work around that.. and at least my new collection won't clutter my house. :lol:

I don't like hoarder minds.. they come with annoying personalities. Well done on learning to let go of things S57.
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:40 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Look, im down with u sissifying me on the bedroom, touching my dick and forbidding me to cum until u say so. that im cool with conforming to your demands.

:lol:

Good to know, but I am a celibate.

Celibate celibate? Like, are you still virgin?

And by shower, he means like regular showers when you spread your cheeks to wash the sweat out of your butt, that it makes you feel a kind of way...
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Re: Personality tested MM

Postby MagsJ » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:26 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Celibate celibate? Like, are you still virgin?

Does a person have to be one along with the other?

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Chronic Fatigue is caused be high estrogen, high computer usage, and low motivation.
I think you have that the other way round Trixie... it is causing them.
Mags you are a female that is online often, and lives alone.
You need to man up and buck up, at least for brief periods.
I think you'll find that that brief period is called a reprieve...

Please don't ever give advice to a CF patient, because they'd end up in a worse state than wherever they were at..


I had CF 2, only Alex Jones could walk me through it. Even transsexuals have to man up at times, or else their testosterone will drop too low and they become gay.

Who is Alex Jones?
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