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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:01 am

You are very self-absorbed, Turd. I never said I am descended from aristocrats. I simply said that people DESCRIBE my whiteness as aristocratic white. This was in response to the accusation that I am a gypsy.

Most of my ancestors appear to be peasants but not all of them appear to have been hedonists.

My 2nd great grandfather was a very spirited man.

Being a peasant is nothing bad in itself. Being a hedonist is.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:32 am

Not necessarily, one can be Hendonistic and still quite healthy.

This is what you Nietzscheans didn't grasp when Nietzsche pilfered the Stoic concept of health.

I can chase in wild abandon every pleasure I choose, but the choice in each case may be coincidentally the best of choices I could reasonably make had I chosen to do so rationally. Stoic philosophy seeks to make a dependable life a good life, it is reasonable to assume a conditioned response of pleasure would arise reinforcing it.

Let's say I had a addiction with water. Pure hendonism, I'm bathing in the fucking shit 2-3 times a day like a decadent, hot and cold, soapy or pure, drinking it left and right.... is this necessarily bad? Circumstantially it can be, but for most of you stinky fuckers gobbling down soda and liqour, I say bring it on. It is good to become addicted to such a cheap and easily available resource, given the alternatives. Should I send such a person yo rehab to break their hydro addiction? Should you and I tag team them, me with a Bible and you with your Nietzsche, trying to bring them to reason?

Stoic philosophy would look upon such a individual as simultaneously a abnormality, indeed a hendonism, but also proof of Stoa Philosophy, how it can be learned over the long term.

The Quantitative, Qualitative, Control or Indulgence stuff, it can't be said one or another in advance makes sense for all men, unless we know it melts our bodily constitutions or corrupts our brain beyond repair. I'm not exactly impressed with your bullshit overcoming theory. I'm not overcoming Hydrochloric Acid, I choose simply to abstain from drinking it. You can go be that Superman. I'm not gonna be some alchemical monk changing my internal constitutions to a Will To Power either, or a spiritual wizard. At some point, if you study enough cognitive systems, modern and ancient, you learn how to navigate and steam punk the various systems. I'm not intimidated by a archaic system, nor probe to dismissing them either- I can generally find bright ideas that relate to other system in them.

I'm not exactly impressed with Nietzsche's grasp of psychology, and even less with the followers I come across on the next. Not completely rotten, but nobody upholds his common sense ideas, only his shit theories these days. Bizarre, but that's how people are, we always build a cabinet of curiosities and claim it is a representation of the world, when it us really just a drive to systematize nonsense. The logic that binds the categorizations we give is pleasurable. Largely silly when you look at it from a outside perspective.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:41 am

You don't know what hedonism is.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:50 am

Actually, I know it a lot better than you, I'm well read in the classics and modern psychology.

But you know, you read Nietzsche, and are from the country that the Casino in Casino Royale is from, so you clearly have a monopoly on this corner of knowledge.

Please, tell everyone how nobody knows what the fuck a hendonist is, and why you need a complex historical essay to grasp a pleasure whore's addictive silly fucking mindset. I'm sure everyone will be enlightened.

That was sarcasm, don't.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:58 am

You don't and you are not interested in understanding what the term means.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:29 am

I'm too busy eating all the Halloween candies I took from kids knocking on my door on October 31st to take time to understand, gotta eat more.

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Honestly, none of the decadents and aristocratic and spiritual natures shit, I already used my best jokes on Cezar. Your not in a position to win anyone over, either they agree with you, or they don't, your not the first to deliver these revelations here on this forum. Notice Sauwelios doesn't even try anymore? He done fucking did it already. Nothing resulted, cause he was either preaching the the choir or people better educated who could dismiss him with ease.

Please don't.... Don't. Just admit your wrong and let's move on, pretending we had that argument and moved on from it.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:38 am

Sauwelios and Fixed Cross do not understand what hedonism is. They are hedonists themselves, so it makes sense.

They are not true Nietzscheans. They are libertarians. So a victory over their philosophy amounts to nothing.

Historyboy/Cezar, on the other hand, understands very well what hedonism is. But you never really won against him.

Lies cannot defeat truth.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:53 am

This is how hedonists look:

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The smile on his face is telling you that he has successfully "overcome" himself by repressing his painful instincts.

Imagine being in pain your entire life and then suddenly figuring out a way to feel good.

That's what that smile is telling you.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:20 am

I insist that you have no clue whatsoever what hedonism is. This is proven by the fact you have no clue what the related concept of addiction refers to.

Let's say I had a addiction with water. Pure hendonism, I'm bathing in the fucking shit 2-3 times a day like a decadent, hot and cold, soapy or pure, drinking it left and right.... is this necessarily bad? Circumstantially it can be, but for most of you stinky fuckers gobbling down soda and liqour, I say bring it on. It is good to become addicted to such a cheap and easily available resource, given the alternatives.


Doing something very often is not addiction. It's merely a pattern of behavior that may or may not be indicative of addiction.

Addiction is an over-expression of instinct. It is one half of repression. The other half is under-expression of some other instinct (or instincts.)

Addiction is unconditionally bad. There are no circumstances in which it is good.

Patterns of behavior, on the other hand, have a conditional value.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:02 am

Psychogenic Polydipsia

Try to keep up. Cezar was defeated because he turned into a lazy decadent who couldn't keep up or fact check. He eventually became overwhelmed and failed. Your fast tracking like him.

And no, a picture of a man on a dreary beach isn't evidence of Hendonism. Your not in a position to assert a Hylomorphic Characture of a Psychology of a individual based on face alone, when you think the conscious of men sits outside of the body, yet insist you can read the typology of character at the surface.

A smiling fat man in a rain jacket on the beach isn't indicative of any of the traits you've mentioned, none are based on apparent physiology, via traits we can trace back to cognitive processes centered around brain regions. You have nothing related in that picture to his possible past. No clue- he might be a working his job, his co worker shipping out a picture saying "smile".

You've presented a unaccountable typology. You need to make efforts to explain it more reasonably. I can usually get my attempts very, very close, you can see it on Similarminds.com under my name TrollEmperorOfDoom in the photographic typology section. I had very high scores. You have probably the least skill of anyone I ever met so far. You attempt really sucks.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Uccisore » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:09 am

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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:33 am

With all this discussion of dick sucking from Magnus and Sauwelios they should just get a room together somewhere. I think they need some private time together where it is best to leave them alone. Magnus, you're so full of it, I remember when you told me that you live in Romania and about your gypsy heritage. Just stop with all your gypsy lies already.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:39 am

Turd: It is bad enough Joker is hacking a presidential election as a "Anarchist"


Like I've said previously, I'm still an anarchist as I hate all government and believe in self rule it's just I like some of the ambitions of Donald Trump because if he is genuine going against the international globalist establishment that's something I can support even though I myself am not political.

That certainly however rests upon if he is genuine.....Time will tell.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:49 am

Oh....

Maybe you misunderstood.

Roma are Gypsie, named after Romania, but are found all over Europe.

He is likely just a cock sucking Roma Gypsie from Montenegro who works as a traveling Carnie with his group, operating the ship ride that goes back and forth:

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But if you get on the ship, sometimes you can get trapped on it for a good hour, cause he is also a male prostitute, who goes around back to the other side of the ship so others in line can't see, but everyone on the ship still can see, him have Dirty-Homo-Carnie Gypsie Sex, his cries of orgasm mixed with screams of panic and disgust from above, arching his back in pull penetrative arch as vomit falls all around him and the man who has entered him, one sweaty, puke smear mess, squirming in the ciggarette butt dotted dirt.


Or.... I could be wrong and that is not him at all. I'm just trying to make all the things I've heard about him fit together. I really don't kbow much about Magnus othrr than to say Philosophy isn't his strong suit.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:24 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Are you admitting fear there?

I'm just a kid right ?


Look, I don't have an ounce of respect for your intelligence. And I suspect that you don't have an ounce of respect for mine.

So what would be the point?


If you have no respect for my intelligence, you have no respect for intelligence...

I respect yours enough to engage you...

If you actually believe as a subjectivist that we're having a discussion that is
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Pandora » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:59 pm

A bit early. We still have 12 days till Thanksgiving.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:19 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
iambiguous wrote:As one of your "retards", I'm curious: How is this the same or different from being called a "retard" by Satyr/Lyssa and the objectivist clique/claque over at KT? As, in fact, many of us here have been.


We are in agreement that you are a retard because you really are a retard.


And you really, really, really do believe that this settles it, don't you?

As with God, if you say that something is true then that makes it true.

Only you can't send me to Hell.

Uh, right?

By the way, I suspect that you don't have a fucking clue as to just how preposterous you come off here.

That must take enormous discipline. =D>
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:25 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:Are you admitting fear there?

I'm just a kid right ?


Look, I don't have an ounce of respect for your intelligence. And I suspect that you don't have an ounce of respect for mine.

So what would be the point?


If you have no respect for my intelligence, you have no respect for intelligence...


I knew you would say that! :wink:
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:30 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Your break will come at the point of death the same as for everyone else

In the meantime try and find some meaning in your life to make it worth living


How do I know death would be a break? For all I know I could go to hell or reincarnate as a african lesbian forced to bang a bunch of fat guys all day.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:33 pm

HaHaHa wrote:With all this discussion of dick sucking from Magnus and Sauwelios they should just get a room together somewhere. I think they need some private time together where it is best to leave them alone. Magnus, you're so full of it, I remember when you told me that you live in Romania and about your gypsy heritage. Just stop with all your gypsy lies already.


There is no difference between you and Turd other than the fact that he has far more stamina than you do. Other than that, you are equal, both of you being psychologically deformed. With Turd this is apparent due to his stamina. His posts betray a great deal of instincts, each one of which is respectable individually, being fired at the same time, colliding with each other, acquiring a new, deformed, shape as a consequence. There is so much energy, yet because this energy is poorly handled, there is very little substance. Basically, there is nothing. Beside intellectual masturbation.

You are exactly the same minus energy.

HaHaHa = Turd with no energy
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:19 pm

That's exactly the kind of psychological insight a Roma Carnie would have Magnus.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:50 pm

Your posts have one of the lowest quality/quantity ratios I've ever seen on the Internet.

You are our resident Frankenstein's monster.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:26 pm

iambiguous wrote:And you really, really, really do believe that this settles it, don't you?


You make a mistake of confusing the self with the other. This is what narcissists do. They see others as an extension of their own selves. They think that how they work is necessarily how everyone else works.

You don't believe in the principle of individuation. Rather, you believe in the principle of holism. You think that "all is one". That unity is fundamental and that disunity is superficial. Like Schopenhauer's belief in the universal will permeating everything that exists.

In plain terms, you think that what is unsettled in your head is necessarily unsettled in other people's heads.

It's a very useful confusion if you are incapable of solving your own problems and if noone is willing to solve them for you. By tricking them into thinking that your problems are their problems you can force them to solve them for you.

When others fail to solve your problems you accuse them of having unresolved problems that they are denying.

It's very difficult for you to accept that your problems are only your own problems. Because then, you will have to take responsibility for them.

If you came to me and asked me a question you want an answer to you I will simply respond with "I don't know and I am not interested in answering your question". This would leave you on your own.

This is why you have to accuse me that I am denying problems. It's a trick to make me do what you want me to do.

But what worth are your accusations, your opinions, when your main argument is that value judgments are subjective?

If you claim that every value judgment is subjective, and if "every value judgment" includes your own value judgments as it does, then your value judgments are subjective and not necessarily applicable to me.

It's a self-defeating argument.

And so, what you're doing is you are trying to fool me into thinking that your problems are my problems so that I will have to solve your problems.

But you are not even interested in solving your problems. Rather, you are interested in proving that they cannot be solved.

That there are no value judgments that are independent from mind.

Thus, you are not seeking an answer. Rather, you are seeking to replicate your degenerate psychology within me.

For the reason you cannot resolve your problems is because they have become too painful.

You quite simply lack courage -- or whatever ability is necessary -- to face your painful instincts.

Your aim is to clone your painful instincts within other's minds and make sure they never face them.

You act in a manner that suggests that your degenerate psychology is superior to my healthy psychology.

Yet your beliefs suggest that you don't believe there are superior and inferior psychologies.

Beliefs and deeds are two different things.


By the way, I suspect that you don't have a fucking clue as to just how preposterous you come off here.

That must take enormous discipline. =D>


What does it matter what you think of me when your main argument is that value judgments are subjective?

You explicitly claim that your value judgments are a matter of personal preference. You think that I am preposterous not because I really am but because that's what you want to believe.

You are defeating yourself.

Irrespective of that, what does it matter how I "come off" which is to say appear to others?

I only care about truth and opinions are not necessarily true.

Then, I have to ask, what does it matter what truth-denying retards think of me?

What does it matter what majority thinks of me when I know that majority, the modern majority in particular, is detached from reality?

That's egocentrism on your part. Assuming that your opinions, which you claim to be merely subjective, matter.

Do you really think that you, Turd, Trixie, Mr. R, HaHaHa, Fixed Cross and other ILP retards constitute everything that has ever existed?

Do you really think that present day people is all that has ever been?

Have you heard of history? Different times? Different kinds of societies, value standards, etc?

Of course you haven't.

You are entirely stuck in the present, completely oblivious of the past.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:57 pm

You are entirely stuck within the limitations of the primitive English language, and you aren't even English.
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Re: Retards of the ILP

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:04 am

It's not my fault you are an irreparable wretch, Trixie.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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