a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:41 pm

tiny nietzsche

some of my best friends are dead


The only friends for some.

we have reached terminal hypocrisy

Either that or have only just begun.

I'd pack the courts. I'd pack the courts so hard

With hundreds and hundreds of them.

I test negative every day

Yo, Mike!

I made the abyss sign a non-disclosure agreement

In blood.

depth comes for everybody

Well, not counting all the assholes here.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:02 pm

V.E. Schwab

Some people steal to stay alive, and some steal to feel alive. Simple as that.


Or, perhaps, even simpler.

What are we drinking to?
The living, said Rhy.
The dead, said Alucard and Lila at the same time.
We're being thorough, added Rhy.


And to all those who aren't yet either.

Life isn't made of choices, it's made of trades. Some are good, some are bad, but they all have a cost.

It would have to be like that. You know, if that's what it is.

A life worth having is a life worth taking.

On the other hand, by whom?

I know where you sleep, Bard. She smirked.
Then you know I sleep with knives.


This won't end well.

Look, everyone talks about the unknown like it's some big scary thing, but it's the familiar that's always bothered me. It's heavy, builds up around you like rocks, until it's walls and a ceiling and a cell.

Of your own making as likely as not.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:32 pm

I. F. Stone

Every time we are confronted with a new revolution we take to the opium pipes of our own propaganda.


I've long since kicked that habit.

If God, as some now say, is dead, He no doubt died of trying to find an equitable solution to the Arab-Jewish problem.

That was then. Now it's the red states/blue states.

Victor Serge died in exile and obscurity, apparently no more than a splinter of a splinter in the Marxist movement. But with the passage of the years, he looms up as one of the great moral figures of our time, an artist of such integrity and a revolutionary of such purity as to overshadow those who achieved fame and power. His failure was his success. I know of no participant in Russia's revolution and Spain's agonies who more deserves the attention of our concerned youth.

For whatever it is worth, this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Serge

History is a tragedy, not a morality tale.

For the objectivists, though, one invariably leads to the other.

I sought in political reporting what Galsworthy in another context had called "the significant trifle" - the bit of dialogue, the overlooked fact, the buried observation which illuminated the realities of the situation.

We should look for that here.

A certain moral imbecility marks all ethnocentric movements.

Let's just say that, here, America wrote the book.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:23 pm

so sad today

what’s wrong with me: the musical


Or: what's wrong with me: the situation comedy.

making eye contact with the abyss

To see who blinks first.

if you aren't ignoring me how can i love you

Let me worry about that.

please god just make me stupider

As in "ignorance is bliss".

trying to decide what to masturbate to is like a small film festival

You tell me.

if there’s one thing i don’t like it’s the consequences of my actions

Next up: the consequences of your actions.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:28 am

Antonin Artaud

I myself spent nine years in an insane asylum and I never had the obsession of suicide, but I know that each conversation with a psychiatrist, every morning at the time of his visit, made me want to hang myself, realizing that I would not be able to cut his throat.


Of course he's only paraphrasing Tom Cruise.

When we speak the word 'life,' it must be understood we are not referring to life as we know it from its surface of fact, but to that fragile, fluctuating center which forms never reach.

Next up: when we speak the word 'death'.

We have the right to lie, but not about the heart of the matter.

Fortunately, in regard to the really important stuff, nobody knows what that is.

There are those who go to the theatre as they would go to a brothel.

You know, as some go here.

I am stigmatized by a living death in which real death holds no terrors for me.

For me, it's still both.

But how is one to make a scientist understand that there is something unalterably deranged about differential calculus, quantum theory, or the obscene and so inanely liturgical ordeals of the precession of the equinoxes.

It's never occurred to me to try.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:37 am

Ah, fuck it. All I have to do is visit this thread to learn to like you again.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:38 am

iambiguous wrote:I. F. Stone

Every time we are confronted with a new revolution we take to the opium pipes of our own propaganda.


I've long since kicked that habit.


Except this is obviously not true.

But carry on.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:46 pm

Helen Mirren

Women have got to stop being polite. If I ever had children, which I don't, the first thing I'd teach a girl of mine is the words 'fuck off.'


Until they start saying it to you.

Being powerful is so much more interesting than being beautiful.

Anyone here both?

I don't think it's good to try and change anyone. The trick and the mystery - of relationships and life in general - is to learn to live with the bits you don't like.

Or split of course.

A woman with knowledge is something that frightens the status quo quite a lot.

Knowledge of what you might ask.

When you're 16, 30 seems ancient. When you're 30, 45 seems ancient. When you're 45, 60 seems ancient. When you're 60, nothing seems ancient.

Not unless you count 70, 80 and 90.

I don't believe that if you do good, good things will happen. Everything is completely accidental and random. Sometimes bad things happen to very good people and sometimes good things happen to bad people.

Anyone still not figured that out yet?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:25 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"The mob is the mother of tyrants.” Diogenes


On the other hand, tyrants are often the father of mobs.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire

Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan.

“The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance” Albert Einstein

And the Kids here are packing both.

"A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." Robert Heinlein

And that's the good news. If you know what I mean.

"What is history but a fable agreed upon?" Napoleon

Or, for the Trumps of the world, a grotesque fairy tale.

“The little wisdom that the world possesses, was introduced by lunatics.” Mirabeau

Actually, I wouldn't go that far.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:54 pm

Maggie Smith

Theres a difference between solitude and loneliness.


A hell of a difference. For some of us they're opposites.

I know there is something out there and like most people, I tend to believe in it more when things go bad.

God the sadistic bastard syndrome.

When you get into the granny era, you're lucky to get anything.

Not only that but youth is still wasted on the young.

The performances you have in your head are always much better than the performances on stage.

Or: The posts you have in your head are always much better than the posts on the thread.

I'm just glad to get any role... the fact that they're all 90 is neither here nor there!

You know, being 85 in "real life".

I don't think films about elderly people have been made very much.

Let alone films about elderly nihilists.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:41 pm

Roxane Gay

It’s hard to be told to lighten up because if you lighten up any more, you’re going to float the fuck away.


Never to be seen again in some cases.

I believe women not just in the United States but throughout the world deserve equality and freedom but know I am in no position to tell women of other cultures what that equality and freedom should look like.

With the possible exception of clitorectomies.

Books are often far more than just books.

Though some are often far less.

Just because you survive something does not mean you are strong.

But it might mean that.

Don’t ever use an insult for a woman that you wouldn’t use for a man. Say “jerk” or “shithead” or “asshole.” Don’t say “bitch” or “whore” or “slut.” If you say “asshole,” you’re criticizing her parking skills. If you say “bitch,” you’re criticizing her gender.

You figure it out.

She was smart enough to want more but tired enough to accept the way things were.

He too.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:52 pm

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"I pissed on the man who called me a dog. Why was he so surprised?” Diogenes


Imagine then if he had shit on him.

“One cannot answer for his courage when he has never been in danger.” Francois de La Rochefoucauld

And even had he been it might be the wrong answer.

“What must human beings be, to destroy what they can never create?” Anton Chekhov

What the hell does that even mean?

“It's very hard, feeling that you're no more than a piece of unwanted furniture in this world.” Anton Chekhov

Let alone in the entire universe.

"I don't know why people expect art to make sense. They accept the fact that life doesn't make sense." David Lynch

Actually, not many accept that fact at all. If it even is a fact.

"Censorship is advertising paid by the government." Federico Fellini

And not just PSA: https://youtu.be/2KnuFCSnRuQ
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:52 pm

Juliette Lewis

The bravest thing I ever did was continuing my life when I wanted to die.


Lucky for us. Or me anyway.

The thing is, I want to play real characters and not all girls can be pretty. The thing is, you get these girls who say 'I'm a character actor' then you see them in a role and nothing has really changed but the outfit.

Let's name names.

Art is the only thing that helps people stay alive, and it is the only thing that has allowed people to create joy in this insane, suppressive universe. And art is the only thing that they can't get rid of. They've tried, but ultimately they can't stamp it out.

It sure as shit isn't philosophy.

Dreams, they're what sets us apart from being mere a brain and a body.

It sure as shit isn't philosophy.

All that evilness is always just from pain and fear, and that's what I've come to understand. I've come to understand people now. Before, I would blame them for treating me in such a naïve way. I don't hate evil, vicious people anymore.

I still do. But point taken.

Rock'n'roll to me is a rebellion against the sterile pedestal culture of movies.

Well, that'll do until the real reason comes to mind.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:20 pm

Francois Truffaut

The man who thinks he can do without the world is indeed mistaken; but the man who thinks the world cannot do without him is mistaken even worse.


With obvious exceptions thank goodness.

Life has more imagination than we do.

With obvious exceptions thank goodness.

Some day I'll make a film that critics will like. When I have money to waste.

I think the critics liked a few of them.

We often forgive those who bore us, but never those whom we bore.

And we can [at least] double that here.

Hitchcock loves to be misunderstood, because he has based his whole life around misunderstandings.

First of all, is this true? And, if it is, what the hell does it mean?

Is the cinema more important than life?

And, if it's not for some, should it be?
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Postby iambiguous » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:25 pm

Claude Chabrol

I love mirrors. They let one pass through the surface of things.


Explain that to mine then.

You have to accept the fact that sometimes you are the pigeon, and sometimes you are the statue.

No shit, right?

There is no new wave, only the sea.

Tell that to, among others, the folks along the Gulf Coast. But, otherwise, point taken.

We live in an era where pizzas show up faster than the police.

Of course, if you're black, that can be a good thing.

A woman is subject matter enough.

For what some might ask.

You make a film to distract people, to interest them, perhaps to make them think, perhaps to help them be a little less naive, a little better than they were.

Yo, Hollywood!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:28 am

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“Man will become better when you show him what he is like.” Anton Chekhov


And now of course women too.

“A sweet lie is more gracious for us than a virulent but real truth.” Anton Chekhov

Yo, Kids!

"Common sense is not so common." Voltaire

It's quite often not so sensical either.

“Fine. Since the tea is not forthcoming, let's have a philosophical conversation.” Anton Chekhov

No tea forthcoming here. Much less philosophy.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." Anais Nin

So might one's death.

"The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions but to destroy the capacity to form any." Hannah Arendt

Next up: the aim of objectivist education.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:35 pm

Jack Nicholson

I didn't know that my sister was really my mother until I was thirty-seven years old. But life has taught me that there have been a lot of things that I didn't know.


Still, that's a particularly weird thing not to know.

I would never want to vilify somebody who considered abortion murder. I was an illegitimate child myself. I may not have existed today.

Okay, but expect to be vilified back.

There were points in my life where I felt oddly irresistible to women. I'm not in that state now and that makes me sad.

You too, right?

For a long time, I was afraid to be alone. I had to learn how to be alone. And there are still times when I think, Uh-oh! I gotta talk to somebody here or I'm gonna go crazy! But I like to be alone. Now I do. I really do.

Okay, but no where near as much as I do.

Life doesn't have to be about finding Osama bin Laden or becoming the president of the United States. Life is about the little things, which is one of the things you learn when you get older.

He means the big little things of course.

Early on, if I was alone two three nights in a row, I'd start writing poems about suicide.

Or: Later on, if I wasn't alone two three nights in a row, I'd start writing poems about suicide.
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Postby iambiguous » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:09 pm

William Butler Yeats

It takes more courage to dig deep in the dark corners of your own soul and the back alleys of your society than it does for a soldier to fight on the battlefield.


Care to join me?

If what I say resonates with you, it's merely because we're branches of the same tree.

Yo, dasein!

Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.

Not counting the Nazis, he thought.

Life is a long preparation for something that never happens.

Not counting all the things that do.

The Irishman sustains himself during brief periods of joy by the knowledge that tragedy is just around the corner.

And now we all do.

Think like a wise man but communicate in the language of the people.

Given all the times you'll have no choice.
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Postby iambiguous » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:32 am

Nein

I’m just here for the pre-post-traumatic stress.


In other words, four days and counting.

The more Russian literature you read, I’m told, the less German philosophy you care to understand.

Unless, of course, it's actually the other way around.

A gentle reminder that conspiracy theories are over. It’s all praxis now.

Unless, of course, it's actually the other way around.

Let’s be honest. Your weekend was ruined years ago.

For some on the day they were born.

A gentle reminder that autumn is for the poets. Fall is for the rest of us.

And winter is coming for both.

Remember, friends, there’s no need to dress up for Halloween. Your true horror is on the inside. And anyone who loves you will know it.

Anyone here love me?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:10 pm

James Randi

Religion is based upon blind faith supported by no evidence. Science is based upon confidence that results from evidence - and that confidence can be modified and/or reversed by further observations and experimentation. Science approaches truth, closer and closer, by hard dedicated work. Religion already has it all decided, and it's in the book. It's dogma, unchangeable, and unaffected by reality and whatever facts we come upon in the real world.


Yawn. Right?

No amount of belief makes something a fact.

Tell that to the fool inside your head.

People who are smart get into Mensa. People who are really smart look around and leave.

I'm sorry, but it had to be said.

The market for nonsense is infinite.

But not here, right?

Feeling better is not actually being better.

Unless of course you can take that feeling all the way to the grave.

Nostradamus himself confessed that the vague manner in which he wrote his "prophecies" was so that 'they could not possibly be understood until they were interpreted after the event and by it.'

No, really, did he?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:41 pm

Werner Twertzog

If human civilization is not destroyed by ice, lava, or asteroids, I shall be greatly disappointed.


Unless of course we destroy it ourselves.

I do not use Twitter.

I did not post this.

Anarchy will arrive in 20 days, I am told. Cannibalism in 50.

We'll need to know who told him.

I should have joined the penguin.

Or the grizzlies.

There should be an Auto-Tune that corrects stupidity.

There could never be one big enough.

I soon shall leave this world out of an “abundance of caution.”

One reason being as good as any other.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:47 pm

Edward O. Wilson

Perhaps the time has come for ethics to be removed temporarily from the hands of the philosophers and biologicized - made part of the new synthesis.


Nope, it's still in the hands of those who actually have the power to enforce it.

When the great theologian and philosopher Rabbi Hillel was challenged to explain the Torah in the time he could stand on one foot, he replied, “Do not do unto others that which is repugnant to you. All else is commentary".

In other words, your context or mine?

Natural selection, the driving force of biological evolution in both individual and group selection, is captured in a single phrase: mutation proposes, the environment disposes.

In other words, your context or mine?

...if our conception of human nature is to be altered, it must be by means of truths conforming to the canons of scientific evidence and not a new dogma however devoutly wished for.

In other words, forget about it.

I will be brief. Not nearly so brief as Salvador Dalí, who gave the world's shortest speech. He said, 'I will be so brief I am already finished' and sat down.

Let's decide:
1] clever?
2] stupid?


...we are chemosensory idiots. By comparison most other organisms are geniuses.

Okay, let's go to their threads.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:42 pm

Jean Cocteau

Mirrors should reflect a little before throwing back images.


On the other hand, imagine if they did!

I know that poetry is indispensable, but to what I could not say.

That's the point though.

If it has to choose who is to be crucified, the crowd will always save Barabbas.

Hmm, should I know what this means?

When I write, I disturb. When I show a film, I disturb. When I exhibit my painting, I disturb, and I disturb if I don't. I have a knack for disturbing.

And look what I settled for!

Picasso said that everything is a miracle, that it's a miracle that we don't dissolve in our baths.

Of course there's always the next time.

It is excruciating to be an unbeliever with a spirit that is deeply religious.

Yes, that's sort of what I'm getting at myself.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:59 pm

Werner Twertzog

The United States is a gerontocracy.


And thank god for that. Right, Kids?

How can I practice “self-care” when the self does not exist?

Make one up?

I am better off now than I was four years ago, but it is only because I am even closer to death.

Not only that but so is Trump. In fact, all of us.

Obscenity does not equal authenticity.

Unless of course you believe it does.

Dear Americans: In the midst of a deadly pandemic and natural disasters, you also must be prepared to walk a gauntlet of men with automatic weapons and unalterable beliefs.

Got a few of them here, don't we?

Dear America: What part of "well regulated" do you not understand?

See, Pedro, I told you!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:04 pm

V.E. Schwab

Perhaps she was glass. But glass is only brittle until it breaks. Then it’s sharp.


And not just in the bar.

Whatever I am, let it be enough

Or at least let them think so.

You look more ready to storm a city than seduce a man.

Not all men of course.

Don't you see? said Calla. He wasn't coming to pay your debt. He was coming to see if you'd returned to pay it yourself.

And that's all the difference in the world.

My father was a vulture. My mother was a magpie. My oldest brother is a crow. My sister, a sparrow. I have never really been a bird.
Lila resisted the urge to say he might have been a peacock. It didn't seem the time.


Good call, Lila.

I know it hurts, she said. So make it worth the pain.

If that's an option for example.
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