a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:19 pm

Louis-Ferdinand Celine

Troubles are as endless as pleasures are brief.


Tell me something I don't know.

It is of men, and of them only, that one should always be frightened.

And, sure, the occasional woman.

Almost every desire a poor man has is a punishable offence.

And not just below the belt.

The sadness of the world has different ways of getting to people, but it seems to succeed almost every time.

Next up: the sadness of the universe.

All in all, death is something like marriage.

What's that make divorce then? I'll tell you: like being reborn.

There's no tyrant like a brain.

Unless you've got a dick.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby MagsJ » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:36 pm

Lololol

I’m an ironist too, with the odd bit of witticism here and there.. I never claimed to be funny, but I do aim to be amusing.. at times. ; )
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:57 pm

God

Homosexuality is not a choice, but if it were I would highly recommend it.


Well, I guess that settles it.

Abortion should only be permitted in cases of rape, incest, and when the woman chooses to have one.

Not counting Mary of course.

No one can read the Old Testament and say I'm pro-life.

On the other hand, they can read it and still insist You are loving, just and merciful.

Fuck fuck fuck.

Fuck.

Fuck.


I know: What brought that on?!

Fuck him to the depths of hell forever.

Let's decide: Trump or Biden?

There is life on other planets.
And it's intelligent.
And that's why it's not coming.


Well, at least now we know.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby MagsJ » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:16 pm

iambiguous wrote:There is life on other planets.
And it's intelligent.
And that's why it's not coming.


Well, at least now we know.

Lol
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:03 pm

Helen Macdonald

We are very bad at scale. The things that live in the soil are too small to care about; climate change too large to imagine. We are bad at time, too. We cannot remember what lived here before we did; we cannot love what is not. Nor can we imagine what will be different when we are dead. We live out our three score and ten, and tie our knots and lines only to ourselves. We take solace in pictures, and we wipe the hills of history.


He shrugged...but then finally agreed.

Some things happen only once, twice in a lifetime. The world is full of signs and wonders that come, and go, and if you are lucky you might be alive to see them.

Or, with some things, unlucky.

Stimulus: opera. Response: kill.

A little help with this one please. Wait, nevermind...

Everything about the hawk is tuned and turned to hunt and kill. Yesterday I discovered that when I suck air through my teeth and make a squeaking noise like an injured rabbit, all the tendons in her toes instantaneously contract, driving her talons into the glove with terrible, crushing force. This killing grip is an old, deep pattern in her brain, an innate response that hasn't yet found the stimulus meant to release it. Because other sounds provoke it: door hinges, squealing breaks, bicycles with unoiled wheels - and on the second afternoon, Joan Sutherland singing an aria on the radio. Ow. I laughed out loud at that. Stimulus: opera. Response: kill.

Nature: Go figure.

The hawk is on my fist. Thirty ounces of death in a feathered jacket; a being whose world is drawn in plots and vectors that pull her towards lives' ends.

Come on, they are raptors, right?

It struck me then that perhaps the bareness and wrongness of the world was an illusion; that things might still be real, and right, and beautiful, even if I could not see them – that if I stood in the right place, and was lucky, this might somehow be revealed to me.

This strikes me as, well, preposterous.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:42 pm

Billy Wilder

If something smells bad, why put your nose in it?


Let alone take a bite of it.

They've tried to manufacture other Marilyn Monroes and they will undoubtedly keep trying. But it won't work. She was an original.

Well, unless you count Suzanne Somers.
Right?


Don't be too clever for an audience. Make it obvious. Make the subtleties obvious also.

Works here too. Then repeat again and again and again as necessary.

Shoot a few scenes out of focus. I want to win the foreign film award.

And with subtitles of course.

France is a place where the money falls apart in your hands but you can't tear the toilet paper.

Anyone know if that's still true?

Hindsight is always twenty-twenty.

Only here, at best, it's fifty-fifty.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:49 pm

Antonin Artaud

No one has ever written, painted, sculpted, modeled, built, or invented except literally to get out of hell.


Or to create one for others.

Theater of Cruelty means a theater difficult and cruel for myself first of all...We are not free. And the sky can still fall on our heads. And the theater has been created to teach us that first of all.

Next up: Philosophy of Cruelty.

To break through language in order to touch life is to create or re-create the theater.

I know, let's "touch life" here!

There is in every madman a misunderstood genius whose idea, shining in his head, frightened people, and for whom delirium was the only solution to the strangulation that life had prepared for him.

Damned if that doesn't sound like me!!

Destroy yourselves, you who are desperate, and you who are tortured in body and soul, abandon all hope. There is no more solace for you in this world. The world lives off your rotting flesh.

What some see as the glass half full.

Life consists of burning up questions.

Though not with answers. Unless you count mine.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:36 am

tiny nietzsche

my phone autocorrected to a rejection of all religious and moral principles in the belief that life is meaningless


Just out of curiosity, is this even possible?

who hurt you, people that coordinate books on shelves by color?

Just out of curiosity, is this even possible?

reach for the scars

Or, better still, make new ones.

void cries wolf

Maybe, but don't count on it.

camus at the beach with the revolver

You know, in an absurd world.

micro-dosing nihilism

I'll stick with macro-dosing myself.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:41 pm

Akwaeke Emezi

Your knowing, you think it gives you clarity, sight that pierces. It can be a cloud, a thing that obscures.


Exactly: Knowing what?

When you break something, you must study the pattern of the shattering before you can piece it back together.

Of course, nine times out of ten, you can't.

People were known to return in renovated bodies; it happens all the time.

The really, really rich for example.

Exactly. I patted her hand. We’re the buffer between you and madness, we’re not the madness.

With clear exceptions of course.

What do you do when you’re not allowed to be angry at God?

Or you are allowed to be but He doesn't exist.

His grief was chasing him from room to room, begging him to spend some time alone with it.

Mine was in the crawl space then.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:12 pm

tiny nietzsche

I'm the only member of my sex cult


Me in mine too. Unless, of course, others here would like to join.

elon musk's two rules to being a douchebag:
1. claim dibs on another planet
2. batteries can fix everything


Let's define douchebag here.

my grudges need to be held

And fondled.

I imagine there's a lot of anxiety when you time travel

And that's before you reach a destination.

the future can go fuck itself

And not just mine, he insisted.

fuck fuck, marry marry, kill kill

Not unlike kiss kiss bang bang.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:45 pm

Isabel Wilkerson

Slavery was not merely an unfortunate thing that happened to black people. It was an American innovation, an American institution created by and for the benefit of the elites of the dominant caste and enforced by poorer members of the dominant caste who tied their lot to the caste system rather than to their consciences.


This or how Karl Marx might have spun it.

Jim Crow had a way of turning everyone against one another, not just white against black or landed against lowly, but poor against poorer and black against black for an extra scrap of privilege.

This or how Karl Marx might have spun it.

...they speak like melted butter and their children speak like footsteps on pavement...

They don't call it the generation gap for nothing.

That summer and into the fall and in the ensuing years to come, amid talk of Muslim bans, nasty women, border walls, and shithole nations, it was common to hear in certain circles the disbelieving cries, “This is not America,” or “I don’t recognize my country,” or “This is not who we are.” Except that this was and is our country and this was and is who we are, whether we have known or recognized it or not.

This summer too. And almost certainly many more summers to come.

Caste is insidious and therefore powerful because it is not hatred, it is not necessarily personal. It is the worn grooves of comforting routines and unthinking expectations, patterns of a social order that have been in place for so long that it looks like the natural order of things.

At least this brings us closer to political economy. If not to actual Communism.

Now, we ain't got nothing to do with God's business, she says, sitting back in her seat. She adjusts herself and straightens her scarf, contenting herself with whatever the day has in store.

As the next shitstorm descends.

We are responsible for our own ignorance or, with time and openhearted enlightenment, our own wisdom.

On the other hand, others will take on the responsibility of keeping them ignorant.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:00 pm

Ben Jonson

What excellent fools religion makes of men.


Next up: What excellent fools atheism makes of men. Some anyway.

Get money, still get money, boy, no matter by what means.

Yep, that's still true.

The pipe marks the point at which the orangutan ends and man begins.

How about chimpanzees?

Force works on servile natures, not the free.

Unless you count the countless times the free have fallen.

The way to rise is to obey and please.

If only nine times out of ten.

A good life is a main argument.

In other words, fuck philosophy.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:24 pm

so sad today

sexually transmitted anxiety


I'll chance it myself.

my tits feel anxious

He tried to imagine it.

i don’t want to feel less alone

Not counting here of course.

fuck the meaning of life

You know, if you ever actually find it.

sorry to hear about your positive attitude

Yo, let me have a go at it.

i don’t want to die but i want the part after

So, what part might that be?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:47 pm

John Donne

No man is an island, entire of itself....


On the other hand, I do come closest to and farthest away from it.

I observe the physician with the same diligence as the disease.

Right, like you know all that they know. But point taken.

Death comes equally to us all, and makes us all equal when it comes.

Too bad it's not the same for the life lived. You know, if that is too bad.

Be thine own palace, or the world's thy jail.

In other words, above all else, be your own best friend.

Doth not a man die even in his birth? The breaking of prison is death, and what is our birth, but a breaking of prison?

Tell that to the new born.

The rich have no more of the kingdom of heaven than they have purchased of the poor by their alms.

Let's just that, as always, the rich find loopholes.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:48 pm

Gary Oldman

Reality TV to me is the museum of social decay.


Yo, Trump, doesn't that include you?

I had a guitar when I was 6 or 7, a plastic guitar with the Beatles' faces on it. It would be a collector's item now. It would fetch a hefty sum, I imagine.

I'd bid a couple of bucks.

As an actor, you people-watch, you observe. And the more famous you become, the sad thing is you lose the ability to do that. Instead of people-watching, you become the focus of attention.

Sort of like how I am here.

We're given a code to live our lives by. We don't always follow it, but it's still there.

Indoctrinated, as it were.

People have an idea that one is in control of a career, a lot more than you really are. You can engineer things to an extent. But you are at the mercy of what comes in across the desk.

And then there's our careers here.

I was quiet, a loner. I was one of those children where, if you put me in a room and gave me some crayons and a pencils, you wouldn't hear from me for nine straight hours. And I was always drawing racing cars and rockets and spaceships and planes, things that were very fast that would take me away.

Me too. Only I still ended up here.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:09 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"That's what I consider true generosity: You give your all, and yet you always feel as if it costs you nothing." Simone de Beauvoir


Nope, never felt that generous.

"Failure to understand the logos is the root of all evil." Heraclitus

Unless of course the root of all evil is hammering in your own logos in regard to, say, packing the court?

"We live as we dream - alone." Joseph Conrad

Also, as we die.

"Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others." Joseph Conrad

Wow, what if that is actually true?

"The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom, but to set a limit to infinite error."
Bertolt Brecht


And that's just in the either/or world.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." Friedrich Nietzsche

Her too.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:57 pm

Christopher Paolini

Eragon looked back at him, confused. I don't understand.
Of course you don't, said Brom impatiently. That's why I'm teaching you and not the other way around.


Would that it could be that simple.

Without fear there cannot be courage.

Among other things, to live, to die.

The sea is emotion incarnate. It loves, hates, and weeps. It defies all attempts to capture it with words and rejects all shackles. No matter what you say about it, there is always that which you can't.

And that's just the stuff on the surface.

Wise? No, I simply learned to think.

That and when to stop.

The greatest enemy is one that has nothing to lose.

And with the codes to the football.

It's amazing that a man who is dead can talk to people through these pages. As long as this books survives, his ideas live.

Just not him.
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Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:53 pm

Edward O. Wilson

Destroying forest for economic gain is like burning a Renaissance painting to cook a meal.


That's ridiculous. Would you like me to explain why?

Overall, it seems now possible to draw a reasonably good explanation of why the human condition is a singularity, why the likes of it has occurred only once and took so long in coming. The reason is simply the extreme improbability of the preadaptations necessary for it to occur at all. Each of the evolutionary steps has been a full-blown adaptation in its own right. Each has required a particular sequence of one or more preadaptations that occurred previously. Homo sapiens is the only species of large mammal – thus large enough to evolve a human-sized brain – to have made every one of the required lucky turns in the evolutionary maze.

Now all we need is a reasonably good explanation of that.

The second most frequently asked question is, “What can we learn of moral value from the ants?” Here again I will answer definitively. Nothing. Nothing at all can be learned from ants that our species should even consider imitating.

The first most frequently asked questions: "What can the ants learn of moral value from us?"
Nothing again, right?


Socialism really works under some circumstances. Karl Marx just had the wrong species.

Of course: ants.

The human impact on biodiversity, to put the matter as briefly as possible, is an attack on ourselves.

Not that some aren't chortling all the way to the bank.

Preferring a search for objective reality over revelation is another way of satisfying religious hunger.

I dare you to suggest we don't need a context here.
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Postby iambiguous » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:50 pm

Louis-Ferdinand Celine

A God who counts minutes and pennies, a desperate sensual God, who grunts like a pig. A pig with golden wings, who falls and falls, always belly side up, ready for caresses, that’s him, our master. Come, kiss me.


A God maybe. But what if He is the God?

The foreground in a picture is always unattractive...Art demands that the interest of the canvas should be placed in the far distance, where lies take refuge...

Not unlike any number of posts here, he snorted.

When you stop to examine the way in which our words are formed and uttered, our sentences are hard-put to it to survive the disaster of their slobbery origins.

Not unlike any number of posts here, he snorted even louder.

Love is the infinite placed within the reach of poodles. I have my dignity!

By assuming this is important to know, let's make sense of it.

Most people die at the last minute; others twenty years beforehand, some even earlier. They are the wretched of the earth.

Let's not go there, okay?

To philosophize is only another way of being afraid and leads hardly anywhere but to cowardly make-believe.

For better or for worse, most of them here have already left.
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Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:33 am

Philosophy Tweets

“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.” Oscar Wilde


Of course he never met anyone like me.

“The God, who in Nietzsche’s words is dead, is the God of philosophy, guaranteeing the fixed order of the world as it is; in the end, the God of reactionaries.” Gianni Vattimo

And look at us now! Not only reactionaries, but idiots!!

“Kant says that there is the noumenon beyond the phenomenon: what you can think but is phenomenologically unknown. It is part of what Kant calls the 'Kingdom of Ends.' In this kingdom you encounter freedom; that is something impossible to know “ Gianni Vattimo

Categorically and imperatively for example.

“I published an essay titled 'Nietzsche, Heidegger’s interpreter,' an obvious anachronism, to say that you cannot read Heidegger without passing through Nietzsche’s nihilism first.” Gianni Vattimo

Did Heidegger know that?

"People who give us their complete trust believe that they therefore have a right to our own." Friedrich Nietzsche

No, really, ask them.
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Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:14 pm

Helen Macdonald

Mabel stops looking murderous and assumes an expression of severe truculence. How the hell, I imagine her thinking, am I supposed to catch things with this idiot in tow?


And who among us hasn't had to lug one of them around?

There's a superstition among falconers that a hawk's ability is inversely proportional to the ferocity of its name. Call a hawk Tiddles and it will be a formidable hunter; call it Spitfire or Slayer and it will probably refuse to fly at all.

Want to know what I call mine?

Like White I wanted to cut loose from the world, and I shared, too, his desire to escape to the wild, a desire that can rip away all human softness and leave you stranded in a world of savage, courteous despair.

Which word here doesn't belong?

Hawks aren’t social animals like dogs or horses; they understand neither coercion nor punishment. The only way to tame them is through positive reinforcement with gifts of food. You want the hawk to eat the food you hold – it’s the first step in reclaiming her that will end with you being hunting partners.

Yo, Peta...a ruling please.

That little space of irresolution is a strange place to be. You feel safe because you are entirely at the world’s mercy. It is a rush. You lose yourself in it. And so you run towards those little shots of fate, where the world turns. That is the lure: that is why we lose ourselves, when powerless from hurt and grief, in drugs or gambling or drink; in addictions that collar the broken soul and shake it like a dog.

He wondered why it never worked this way for him.

I can’t, even now, arrange it in the right order. The memories are like heavy blocks of glass. I can put them down in different places but they don’t make a story.

So, you make one up.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:04 pm

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"Even the most clear-headed man thinks clearly only for brief stretches. The average citizen does it no more than 10 min altogether in a lifetime." H.L. Mencken


Next up: the average Kid.

"Life is full of infinite absurdities, which, strangely enough, do not even need to appear plausible, since they are true." Luigi Pirandello

Starting with, say, the existence of existence itself?

“The more unintelligent a man is, the less mysterious existence seems to him.” Arthur Schopenhauer

And not just evangelists.

"Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out." Anton Chekov

Then week to week, month to month, year to year.

“We seldom think of what we have, but always of what we lack.” Arthur Schopenhauer

I know that I do, he grunted.

“For the world is Hell, and men are on the one hand the tormented souls and on the other the devils in it.” Arthur Schopenhauer

It's all us, folks!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:34 pm

Stendhal

I love her beauty, but I fear her mind.


Paraphrasing Woody Allen as it were.

God's only excuse is that He does not exist.

Does He know that?

All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few.

Marx then took it from there.

Pleasure is often spoiled by describing it.

Or, even worse, defining it.

Love born in the brain is more spirited, doubtless, than true love, but it has only flashes of enthusiasm; it knows itself too well, it criticizes itself incessantly; so far from banishing thought, it is itself reared only upon a structure of thought.

Of course this says as much about thinking as it does loving.

Faith, I am no such fool; everyone for himself in this desert of selfishness which is called life.

So, what do you think, has it only gotten worse?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:35 pm

Antonin Artaud

I cannot conceive any work of art as having a separate existence from life itself.


Well, lifeforms do create it.

And what is an authentic madman? It is a man who preferred to become mad, in the socially accepted sense of the word, rather than forfeit a certain superior idea of human honor. So society has strangled in its asylums all those it wanted to get rid of or protect itself from, because they refused to become its accomplices in certain great nastinesses. For a madman is also a man whom society did not want to hear and whom it wanted to prevent from uttering certain intolerable truths.

Now all we need is an authentic cuckoo's nest.

All true language is incomprehensible, like the chatter of a beggar's teeth.

None of that here then.

All writing is garbage. People who come out of nowhere to try and put into words any part of what goes on in their minds are pigs.

Including his and him of course.

We do not die because we have to die; we die because one day, and not so long ago, our consciousness was forced to deem it necessary.

On the other hand, we most definitely do die because we most definitely do have to.

Excuse my absolute freedom. I refuse to make a distinction between any of the moments of myself.

You know, in a wholly determined universe.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:16 pm

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“To a philosopher and historian the madness and imbecile wickedness of mankind ought to appear ordinary events.” David Hume


In other hand, you tell me: memes or genes?

“Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.” Otto von Bismarck

Imagine then his reaction to Trump!

“What is the difference in being alone with another and being alone by one's self?” Henrik Ibsen

Among other things, he insisted, all the difference in the world.

“Public opinion is an extremely mutable thing”. Henrik Ibsen

And not only because most of the public are idiots.

“It is possible for the same thing both to be and not to be.” David Hume

Also, for some things, impossible not to be.

"This is how philosophers should salute each other: ‘Take your time'." Ludwig Wittgenstein

So, how might that possibly work here? You know, given a particular context.
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