a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pm

tiny nietzsche

will to power less


And then one day will to power nothing at all.

back on my dionysian shit

Or: back to your apollonian shit.

zooms in on the bookcase in your selfie

Like that's ever been done.

what idiot called it The Shape of Water instead of Phantom of the Agua?

So, is that idiotic?

I'm a failed state

Jesus, he thought, what's that make Trumpworld then?

hey now, you're infected, take your mask off, go die

Soon to become the new normal.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:50 pm

Terry Eagleton

If there are indeed any iron laws of history, one of them is surely that in any major crisis of the capitalist system, a sector of the liberal middle class will shift to the left, and then shift smartly back again once the crisis has blown over.


And then there's whatever the hell is happening today. Don't even pretend to understand it.

The German philosopher Walter Benjamin had the curious notion that we could change the past. For most of us, the past is fixed while the future is open.

We know for sure now. One way or the other.

God chose what is weakest in the world to shame the strong.

Obviously: It didn't work.

What persuades men and women to mistake each other from time to time for gods or vermin is ideology.

Yo, Mr. Objectivist, let's settle this.

For the liberal state to accommodate a diversity of beliefs while having few positive convictions is one of the more admirable achievements of civilization.

Next up: the conservative state. Though not necessarily yours.

I enjoy popularisation and I think I'm reasonably good at it. I also think it's a duty. It's just so pedagogically stupid to forget how difficult one found these ideas oneself to begin with.

What others call "dumbing down".
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:40 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"I think television has betrayed the meaning of democratic speech, adding visual chaos to the confusion of voices." Federico Fellini


Imagine then his reaction to television today!

“I don't imagine you will dispute the fact that at present the stupid people are in an absolutely overwhelming majority all the world over." Henrik Ibsen

Yo, Kids!

"The chief benefit of philosophy arises in an indirect manner, and proceeds more from its secret, insensible influence, than from application." David Hume

Among other things, complete bullshit.
No?
You start the new thread.


“Speech is civilization itself. The word, even the most contradictory word, preserves contact—it is silence which isolates.” Thomas Mann

We'll need a context of course. Historically and culturally for example.

"I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand them.” Baruch Spinoza

:lol:

"No matter how thin you slice it, there will always be two sides.” Baruch Spinoza

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:38 pm

Ottessa Moshfegh

And anyway, there is no comfort here on Earth. There is pretending, there are words, but there is no peace. Nothing is good here. Nothing. Every place you go on Earth, there is more nonsense.


You read things like this in books. And then decide for yourself if it goes too far.

The notion of my future suddenly snapped into focus: it didn't exist yet.

Maybe, but don't let that fool you.

I didn’t believe in heaven, but I did believe in hell.

After all, he thought, we're living in it.

Sometimes I feel dead, I told her, and I hate everybody.

Well, believe it or not, sometimes I don't.

Every three days, I’d wake up, look at calendar, eat, drink, bathe, et cetera. I would only spend one hour awake each time. I did the math: for the next four months, 120 days total. I would spend only fourth hours in a conscious state.

Wow, if only!

But coming out of that sleep was excruciating. My entire life flashed before my eyes in the worst way possible, my mind refilling itself with all my lame memories, every little thing that had brought me to where I was. I'd try to remember something else—a better version, a happy story, maybe, or just an equally lame but different life that would at least be refreshing in its digressions—but it never worked. I was always still me. Sometimes I woke up with my face wet with tears. The only times I cried, in fact, were when I was pulled out of that nothingness, when the alarm on my cell phone went off.

In other words, not just a shitty mood anymore.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:05 pm

Otto Weininger

No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.


Yo, Victor! Yo, Olivia!

It is not the fear of death which creates the desire for immortality, but the desire for immortality which causes the fear of death.

That works for me.

Every true, eternal problem is an equally true, eternal fault; every answer an atonement, every realisation an improvement.

Next up: Of course, a fucking context!

Man is alone in the world, in tremendous eternal isolation. He has no object outside himself; lives for nothing else; he is far removed from being the slave of his wishes, of his abilities, of his necessities; he stands far above social ethics; he is alone. Thus he becomes one and all.

True, but not more alone than I am.

The decision must be made between Judaism and Christianity, between business and culture, between male and female, between the race and the individual, between unworthiness and worth, between the earthly and the higher life, between negation and God-like. Mankind has the choice to make. There are only two poles, and there is no middle way.

Let's run this by karpel tunnel. :wink:

In the case of complex personalities the matter stands thus: one of these can understand other men better than they can understand themselves, because within himself he has not only the character he is grasping, but also its opposite. Duality is necessary for observation and comprehension.

Next up: Fractured and fragmented personalities.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:34 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"I was making my mind as blank as possible, you see, since the past was so embarrassing and the future so terrifying." Kurt Vonnegut


Lots of blank minds here of course. You know, going in the opposite direction.

"Somebody gets into trouble, then gets out of it again. People love that story. They never get tired of it." Kurt Vonnegut

Next up: Somebody gets into trouble. And it keeps getting worse and worse.

“...the object of waging a war is always to be in a better position in which to wage another war.” George Orwell

What we call civilization.

“Technology and comfort - having those, people speak of culture, but do not have it.” Thomas Mann

Like that matters.

“The sin both of men and of angels, was rendered possible by the fact that God gave us free will.” C.S. Lewis

Maybe, but who gave it to Him?

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” Søren Kierkegaard

Come on, Kids, defend yourself!
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:29 pm

Jeffrey Eugenides

We Greeks are a moody people. Suicide makes sense to us. Putting up Christmas lights after your own daughter does it--that makes no sense. What my yia yia could never understand about America was why everyone pretended to be happy all the time.


We nihilists too.

What if you had faith and performed good works, what if you died and went to heaven, and what if all the people you met there were people you didn't like?

Run it by God?

That was the deal basically: catatonia without; frenzy within.

Not only that, but non negotiable.

When you stood between somebody you loved and death, it was hard to be awake and it was hard to sleep.

Or: Fuck them.

Who are you, anyway?
Just someone who knows, from personal experience, how attractive it can be to think you can save somebody else by loving them.


Just letting you know that I need saving myself.

That was when Leonard realized something crucial about depression. The smarter you were, the worse it was. The sharper your brain, the more it cut you up.

No, really.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:25 pm

Silvia Moreno-Garcia

Like many young people, ultimately she saw herself as a completely new creature, a creation that had sprung from no ancient soils.


Well, youth is wasted on the young. That never changes.

The world might indeed be a cursed circle; the snake swallowed its tail and there could be no end, only an eternal ruination and endless devouring.

You know, if you're an optimist.

One could construct a hundred different narratives, it didn’t make them true.

On the other hand, believe them and [for some] nothing makes them false.

It turned out to be a crock of shit. They had printed manuals with gender-appropriate terminology and the like, but detectives still called gay men “faggots,” women were “bitches,” and if a “lady” was raped the first question to ask was what she’d done to incite the crime.

We've got a few detectives like that here, don't we?

Beauty attracts beauty and begets beauty.

Though still in the eye [and the mind] of the beholder. Or has that changed too?

The imagination of mortals shaped the gods, carving their faces and their myriad forms, just as the water molds the stones in its path, wearing them down through the centuries.

And killing off some of them.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:07 pm

Caleb Carr

Scientists' minds may jump around like amorous toads, but they do seem to accept such behavior in one another.


Next up: philosophers' minds.

It didn’t make any more sense to me then than it does now, how life can pile troubles up on a man what don’t deserve them, while letting some of the biggest jackasses and scoundrels alive waltz their way through long, untroubled existences.

Okay, Mr. Buddhist, explain that.

We are not obligated to provide everyone who comes to this country with a good life, Morgan went on. We are obligated to provide them with a chance to attain that life, through discipline and hard work. That chance is more than they have anywhere else. That is why they keep coming.

Besides, there will always be a need [for some] for a source of cheap and exploitable labor.

... belief that the answers one gives to life's crucial questions are never truly spontaneous; they are the embodiment of years of contextual experience, of the building of patterns in each of our lives that eventually grow to dominate our behavior.

Dasein!!

Absolutely nothing brings out the killer instinct in the upper crust of New York Society like a charity function.

A little help with this one please. I'd have figured Wall Street.

How does the world look, I often found myself wondering, to a young man whose father is his enemy?

Or, from to time, to a young woman whose uncle.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:55 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"Life begins on the other side of despair." Jean-Paul Sartre


If only all the way to the grave.

“And perhaps I understood it all wrong, but I understood it and that was the novelty.” Samuel Beckett

See what I mean?

“No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself.” Thomas Mann

See what I mean?

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Albert Einstein

What, even including the authorities here?!

"The only lasting American value is buying things." George Carlin

Unless you count selling them.

“There is no place in a fanatic's head where reason can enter.” Napoleon Bonaparte

And that's before we get to all the ones with a "condition".
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Clarice Lispector

My life, the most truthful one, is unrecognizable, extremely interior, and there is no single word that gives it meaning.


Nothing at all like your life, is it? :-k

All the world began with a yes. One molecule said yes to another molecule and life was born. But before prehistory there was the prehistory of the prehistory and there was the never and there was the yes. It was ever so. I don’t know why, but I do know that the universe never began.

A lucky guess?

Living isn't courage, knowing that you're living, that's courage.

Knowing what you might ask.

She believed in angels, and, because she believed, they existed.

So, what idiotic things do some believe here?

I work only with lost and founds.

Let's try to imagine why.

I have grown weary of literature: silence alone comforts me. If I continue to write, it’s because I have nothing more to accomplish in this world except to wait for death.

Uh, me too?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:27 pm

sad socrates

My body can go two weeks without water—but not depression.


Depression, sure, but two weeks without water?
https://www.livescience.com/32320-how-l ... water.html


If you’re getting fucked by your government it should at least feel good.

Up the ass?!

Tomorrow is a cave where our fears and anxieties hibernate.

Not unlike yesterday and today.

There’s no “we” in idiot.

Well I'll be damned!

I support everyone, but I hate humanity.

For example, one by one.

Getting nowhere requires incredible patience.

Next up: going nowhere fast.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:07 pm

Erich Maria Remarque

Come let me kiss you. Life was never so precious as today— when it meant so little.


Next up: come on let me fuck you.

We are not youth any longer. We don’t want to take the world by storm. We are fleeing. We fly from ourselves. From our life. We were eighteen and had begun to love life and the world; and we had to shoot it to pieces.

In tatters as it were.

But now, for the first time, I see you are a man like me. I thought of your hand-grenades, of your bayonet, of your rifle; now I see your wife and your face and our fellowship. Forgive me, comrade. We always see it too late. Why do they never tell us that you are poor devils like us, that your mothers are just as anxious as ours, and that we have the same fear of death, and the same dying and the same agony - forgive me, comrade; how could you be my enemy?

Of course he's just paraphrasing, among others, Dalton Trumbo, Mark Twain, Joseph Heller and Kurt Vonnegut.

I wandered through the streets thinking of all the things I might have said and might have done had I been other than I was.

But not you, right, Mr. Objectivist?

We are little flames poorly sheltered by frail walls against the storm of dissolution and madness, in which we flicker and sometimes almost go out…we creep in upon ourselves and with big eyes stare into the night…and thus we wait for morning.

Yeah, I can live with that. After all, it's not like I have a choice.

I want to think and at the same time that's the last thing in the world I want to do.

Do we dare to bring this down to earth?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:10 pm

Daniel Day-Lewis

The greater your powers of self-delusion, the greater will be the apparent efficacy of this untruth.


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If I do say so myself.


Being at the centre of a film is a burden one takes on with innocence the first time. Thereafter, you take it on with trepidation.

Next up: being at the center of a post.

Where I come from, it was a heresy to say you wanted to be in movies, let alone American movies.

Where everyone comes from now.

I'm not keen on history being tampered with...to any extent.

Starting now, okay?

My life is devoted to self-delusion -- and I have a great capacity for that -- but it's the thing that gives me the most pleasure, so I can't complain about it.

I should be so lucky, he thought.

Shoes are strange things. If you take your shoes off in a situation in which you're vulnerable, you'll feel 10 times more vulnerable.

And not just the left one.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:19 pm

Nein

If you need me, I’ll be signifying nothing.


He means everything of course.

A gentle reminder not to worry about losing your faith in humanity. Worry about who finds it.

Got a few of them here, I'd imagine.

Marx: Knock, knock.
Nietzsche: Who’s dead?
Freud: Who wishes they were?


So, don't forget to vote!

The postal is the political.

And getting more political everyday.

Signs that Twitter is adversely affecting your mental health:
1. You’re on Twitter.
2. You’re okay with that.


I'm just passing his Twitter shit on to you.

2019 called. It wants its woefully optimistic vision of a dystopian future back.

Imagine then a call from 1968.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:55 pm

John Cage

In an utter emptiness anything can take place.


Tell me that this isn't a "world of words".

The emotions - love, mirth, the heroic, wonder, tranquility, fear, anger, sorrow, disgust - are in the audience.

Right, like the music itself is incidental.

The highest purpose is to have no purpose at all. This puts one in accord with nature, in her manner of operation.

See, I told you. Again and again and again.

Now that we have everything we need, we discover that there is almost nothing that we have that we want.

Assuming of course that almost no one actually believes this.

A 'mistake' is beside the point, for once anything happens it authentically is.

Assuming of course [given human autonomy] that almost no one actually believes this.

I am trying to be unfamiliar with what I'm doing.

If only after years and years of practice.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:16 pm

Raymond Williams

Culture is one of the two or three most complicated words in the English language.


Another being identity.

To be truly radical is to make hope possible rather than despair inevitable.

That sure as shit leaves me out.

There are no masses; there are only ways of seeing people as masses.

Next up: there are no ruling classes.

The idea of nature contains, though often unnoticed, an extraordinary amount of human history.

You know, given the evolution of life on Earth. So far.

The human crisis is always a crisis of understanding: what we genuinely understand we can do.

He means can't do of course.

It wasn't idealism that made me, from the beginning, want a more secure and rational society. It was an intellectual judgment, to which I still hold. When I was young its name was socialism. We can be deflected by names. But the need was absolute, and is still absolute.

So, what do you call it?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:47 pm

Nein

It was the best of times. It was the worst of terms and conditions.


You know, if Dickens had written it today.

A gentle reminder that Monday does not need your love. Just your labor.

Unless, of course, like me, you're retired. Then Monday is just one more day in an essentially meaningless existence.

I’m just here for the ruthless critique of all that exists.

So, is he Kidding?

The week is ending. But we regret to inform you that everything else is probably not.

You know, when this week is ending.

Bad news about tomorrow. It’s another day.

As in "just another goddamn day".

Theory. Still my favorite conspiracy.

Your "world of words" or mine?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:48 pm

Antonio Gramsci

The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters.


Of course today we have our own version of that. One, I suspect, that Gramsci could scarcely imagine.

Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.

So, what do you think, any day now?

What comes to pass does so not so much because a few people want it to happen, as because the mass of citizens abdicate their responsibility and let things be.

Like this makes any difference to the ruling class.

I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.

Would he say that today? Can you?

The old is dying and the new cannot be born. In this interregnum there arises a great diversity of morbid symptoms.

On the other hand, imagine his reaction to Trumpworld.

The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned.

The first part, sure.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:03 pm

Ottessa Moshfegh

Reva was like the pills I took. They turned everything, even hatred, even love, into fluff I could bat away.


Where's my Reva, he grimaced.

Oh, sleep. Nothing else could ever bring me such pleasure, such freedom, the power to feel and move and think and imagine, safe from the miseries of my waking consciousness.

Sleep...and brandy.

I loved Reva, but I didn't like her anymore.

Let's finally explain this...condition.

Our repartee would be rich with subtlety and sarcasm, as smart and funny as midcareer Woody Allen. Our fucking, like Werner Herzog, serious and perplexing.

Repartee to kill for. And, sure, fucking too.

On a good day, every small thing is enchanting. Everything is a miracle. There is no emptiness. There is no need for forgiveness or escape or medicine. I hear only the wind in the trees, and my devils hatching their sacral plans, fusing all the shattered pieces together into a blanket of ice. I have found that it's under that ice that I can feel I am just another normal person. In the dark and cold, I am at peace.

Next up: on a bad day.
Or week.


I feel very, very alone.
We're all alone, Reva, I told her. It was true: I was, she was. This was the maximum comfort I could offer.


On the other hand, for some, alone works just fine.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:40 pm

Elena Epaneshnik

"Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV."
Was that the Rorschach Inkblot Test?


What about it, Don?

There's one thing that's impossible to get tired of – reading and re-reading Carl Sagan's books.

Let me guess, Kid, you don't agree.

The world's biggest environmental problem is that there are only 5 oceans, 7 continents, and nearly 8 billion idiots.

Doesn't leaving many of us excluded, does it?

That feeling when you know that there are plenty of amazing Russian scientists who are able to create a COVID-19 vaccine, yet you don't believe a single word the Russian President says.

She means Vladimir Trump of course. Or is it Donald Putin?

If I could put August in an aerosol it'd smell of closed theatres, uselessness, dying neurones, decaying thoughts, rustling of the pages of an old book left by the window, Tarkovsky films' silence, semi-sweet wine, and longing for autumn.

What would be in yours?

How many Americans does it take to change a light bulb in November and not screw up like in 2016?
Asking for humanity.


Let's answer for Humanity.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:41 pm

Otto Weininger

But the higher a man mounts, the greater may be his fall; all genius is a conquering of chaos, mystery.


He means failure to conquer them of course.

Universality is the distinguishing mark of genius. There is no such thing as a special genius, a genius for mathematics, or for music, or even for chess, but only a universal genius. The genius is a man who knows everything without having learned it.

There are none in other words.

A creature that cannot grasp the mutual exclusiveness of A and not A has no difficulty in lying; more than that, such a creature has not even any consciousness of lying, being without a standard of truth.

I dare you to cite an example of this. You know, "in reality".

Everything evil is revenge.

Wow, what a coincidence. So is everything good.

The great man of science, unless he is also a philosopher, deserves the title of genius as little as the man of action.

Let's imagine we can make sense of this.

A man is first reverent about himself, and self-respect is the first stage in reverence for all things.

You know, until that pesky dasein thing kicks in.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:50 pm

Jeffrey Eugenides

Household objects lost meaning. A bedside clock became a hunk of molded plastic, telling something called time, in a world marking it's passage for some reason.


Next up: car parts.

In Madeleine's face was a stupidity Mitchell had never seen before. It was the stupidity of all normal people.

Let's note the equivalent of that here.

She understood that her heart operated on its own instructions, that she had no control over it or, indeed, anything else.

Even I wouldn't go that far. On most days.

My goal in life is to become an adjective.

Is that better or worse than an adverb?

No matter how long your've been at it, you always start from scratch.

Aside from being absurd, sure, why not.

I'd like to have a word for 'the sadness inspired by failing restaurants' as well as for 'the excitement of getting a room with a minibar.

Okay, but dasein is already taken.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:30 pm

Werner Twertzog

The enemy of my enemy is probably my enemy, also.


I know that mine [the objectivists] are. Or I'm doing something wrong.

Dear "America": Your election is about to be stolen, as usual.

By the ruling class in other words. Only more so this time.

If the Academy grants me the lifetime achievement award, I shall send a cardboard figure of Marlon Brando to receive it.

Are they still making movies?

No, you will not see me in Hell. I have better plans for you.

Yo, Buddha!

Yes, Gloria Estefan, the rhythm is going to get us, if by rhythm you mean death, and bears.

Let's deconstruct this. Then reconstruct it into something that I might actually understand.

Dear America: You also need intellectual contact tracers.

No, as a matter of fact, we don't.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:32 pm

Silvia Moreno-Garcia

It’s no good telling tales without a drink.


The stiffer the better I've often found.

The future, she thought, could not be predicted, and the shape of things could not be divined. To think otherwise was absurd. But they were young that morning, and they could cling to hope. Hope that the world could be remade, kinder and sweeter.

Youth? Yeah, I remember that. Sort of.

You don’t get to rewind your life like a tape and splice it back together, pretending it never knotted and tore, when it did and you know it did.

Okay, but some don't know that.

They were eternal, never changing, and yet they had changed.

And you're still floored by it, aren't you?

We say many things when we are young. Eventually, we grow wiser.

Our wiser of course, not theirs.

...a prank is not any less irritating because it is childish.

Let alone infantile.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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