a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:12 am

The Onion

Man Who Lost Everything In Crypto Just Wishes Several Thousand More People Had Warned Him


Anyone here warn him?

Homeless Matt Damon Forced To Sell Kidney After Losing Everything In Crypto Pump And Dump Scheme

Next up: reaction from Ben and J Lo.

Stolen Bitcoin Worth $3 Billion Found In Popcorn Tin

Your turn to Google it.

Facebook HQ On Lockdown After Mark Zuckerberg’s Avatar Breaks Out Of Metaverse

Last seen orbiting Pluto.

Family Has Strict No Smartphone Rule While Eating Dinner In Front Of TV

Let's weep for their future.

Man Honestly Better Off For Having Turned Self Over To Algorithms

Next up: turning self over to dasein.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:11 pm

Sean Carroll

The idea of “Ten Commandments” is a deeply compelling one. It combines two impulses that are ingrained in our nature as human beings: making lists of ten things, and telling other people how to behave.


Next up: ten reasons for that.

It doesn’t include math or logic, nor does it address issues of judgment, such as aesthetics or morality. Science has a simple goal: to figure out what the world actually is. Not all the possible ways it could be, nor the particular way it should be. Just what it is.

Next up: ought that to be the case?

We talk about “awe and wonder,” but those are two different words. I am in awe of the universe: its scope, its complexity, its depth, its meticulous precision. But my primary feeling is wonder. Awe has connotations of reverence: “this fills me with awe and I am not worthy.” Wonder has connotations of curiosity: “this fills me with wonder and I am going to figure it out.”

Next up: shock and awe and wonder.

"Those who think of metaphysics as the most unconstrained or speculative of disciplines are misinformed; compared with cosmology, metaphysics is pedestrian and unimaginative." Stephen Toulmin

Pick one:
1] brilliant
2] ridiculous


Everybody dies. Life is not a substance, like water or rock; it’s a process, like fire or a wave crashing on the shore. It’s a process that begins, lasts for a while, and ultimately ends. Long or short, our moments are brief against the expanse of eternity.

You know, being philosophical.

A police officer pulls over Werner Heisenberg for speeding. “Do you know how fast you were going?” asks the cop. “No,” Heisenberg replies, “but I know exactly where I am!” I think we can all agree that physics jokes are the funniest jokes there are. They are less good at accurately conveying physics. This particular chestnut rests on familiarity with the famous Heisenberg uncertainty principle, often explained as saying that we cannot simultaneously know both the position and the velocity of any object. But the reality is deeper than that.

Of course here where is all virtual.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:04 pm

God

I can't suspend Elon Musk from Twitter, but I can suspend him from a cross.


Promises, promises.

The sun is 100% solar-powered.

All the way around in fact.

Why do bad things happen to good people?
To balance out the good things that happen to bad people.


Of course: human history in a nutshell.
Well, so far.


There's almost nothing I wouldn't do to get verified.
But paying $8 a month is one of them.


Take that, Elon!

If Elon Musk kills Twitter you will never hear from Me again and My son will communicate with you only on breakfast foods.

On the other hand, what if He actually means it?

I'm sick of this shit, but I'm also sick of that shit.

Next up: your shit.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Emil M. Cioran from The Trouble with Being Born

I get along quite well with someone only when he is at his lowest point and has neither the desire nor the strength to restore his habitual illusions.


He got that from me.

This very second has vanished forever, lost in the anonymous mass of the irrevocable. It will never return. I suffer from this, and I do not. Everything is unique—and insignificant.

The unbearable lightness of something, right?

Each time I fail to think about death, I have the impression of cheating, of deceiving someone in me.

More to the point, if he does, what's he think about now?

We have lost, being born, as much as we shall lose dying: Everything!

One way or the other...and, of course, the other way around.

I have all the defects of other people and yet everything they do seems to me inconceivable.

Not counting the pinheads, of course. At least the pinheads here.

We do not rush toward death, we flee the catastrophe of birth...

Heads they win, tails we lose.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:37 am

Philosophy Tweets

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing." Socrates


Aside from knowing that, of course.

“Unexpected intrusions of beauty. This is what life is.” Saul Bellow

Or, here, unexpected intrusions of intelligence.

"The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself." William Faulkner

See, I told you.

"Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would do this, it would change the earth." William Faulkner

:lol:
No, seriously.

"We are buried beneath the weight of information, which is being confused with knowledge..." Tom Waits

And, after all, he's big in Japan.

"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense." Tom Clancy

Also, every ten years, double it.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:52 pm

Albert Camus from The Stranger

I opened myself up to the benign indifference of the world.


Though not so benign for some of course.

Still, obviously, one can't be sensible all the time.

What, even here?!

The trigger gave; I felt the smooth underside of the butt; and there, in that noise, sharp and deafening at the same time, is where it all started.

The rest of his life, for example.

I felt as I hadn't felt for ages. I had a foolish desire to burst into tears. For the first time I'd realized how all these people loathed me.

"Not unlike myself here", he said, bursting into laughter.

...he said firmly, God can help you. All the men I’ve seen in your position turned to Him in their time of trouble.
Obviously, I replied, they were at liberty to do so, if they felt like it. I, however, didn’t want to be helped, and I hadn’t time to work up interest for something that didn’t interest me.


Me, I'll take God's help in a heartbeat. So, by all means, tell Him that I'm still interested.

...maybe she had become tired of being the girlfriend of a condemned man. It also occurred to me that maybe she was sick, or dead. These things happen....Anyway, after that, remembering Marie meant nothing to me. That seemed perfectly normal to me, since I understood very well that people would forget me when I was dead.

We still remember him though, right?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:22 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"Most people don't care if you're telling them the truth or if you're telling them a lie, as long as they're entertained by it. You find that out really fast." Tom Waits


Still, that it's often the case here can be demoralizing.

"If you wish to improve your life, you must be prepared to sacrifice it." Leo Tolstoy

Where to draw the line, right?

"Nothing is so necessary for a young man as the company of intelligent women." Leo Tolstoy

Let's name names.

"Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal." Igor Stravinsky

Next up: lesser philosophers.

"What gives the artist real prestige is his imitators." Igor Stravinsky

Same with philosophers. And here they follow you around. Failing miserably of course.

"Sex is like money; only too much is enough." John Updike

Okay, true, but only all the way to the grave.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:41 pm

Milan Kundera from The Unbearable Lightness of Being

Anyone whose goal is 'something higher' must expect someday to suffer vertigo. What is vertigo? Fear of falling? No, Vertigo is something other than fear of falling. It is the voice of the emptiness below us which tempts and lures us, it is the desire to fall, against which, terrified, we defend ourselves.


Context anyone?

When the heart speaks, the mind finds it indecent to object.

Yo, gib!!
Well, among others.


But when the strong were too weak to hurt the weak, the weak had to be strong enough to leave.

Or stay and choose strength themselves.

In the sunset of dissolution, everything is illuminated by the aura of nostalgia, even the guillotine.

Our guillotine, of course, not theirs.

A person who longs to leave the place where he lives is an unhappy person.

Let's try to explain why.

[Nietzsche's] idea of eternal return is a mysterious one....to think that everything recurs as we once experienced it and that recurrence itself recurs ad infinitum!

Putting it negatively, the myth of eternal returns states that a life which disappears once and for all....is like a shadow, without weight, dead in advance, and whether it was horrible, beautiful or sublime, its horror sublimity, and beauty mean nothing. We need take no more note of it than a war between two African kingdoms in the 14th century, a war that altered nothing in the destiny of the world, even if a 100,000 blacks perished in excruciating torment....

Let us therefore agree that the idea of eternal return implies a perspective from which things appear other than as we know them: they appear without the mitigating circumstance of their transitory nature. This mitigating circumstance prevents us from coming to a verdict. For how can we condemn something that is ephemeral, in transit...?

Not long ago, I caught myself experiencing a most incredible sensation. Leafing through a book on Hitler, I was touched by some of his portraits: they reminded me of my childhood. I grew up during the war; several members of my family perished in Hitler's concentration camps; but what were their deaths compared with the memories of a lost period of my life, a period that would never return?

This reconciliation with Hitler reveals the profound moral perversity of aworld that rests essentially on the nonexistence of return, for in this world everything is pardoned in advance and therefore everything cynically permitted.


And your own reconciliation?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:04 pm

The Onion

Ticketmaster Opens New Workhouse Where Taylor Swift Fans Can Labor To Earn Their Eras Tickets


Until the workers of the world unite, of course.

Concerned Pediatrician Explains That Child Should’ve Been Radicalized Online By Now

That's still around 10, right?

Conair Unveils New Tiny Blow Dryer For Knuckle Hair

Next in line: pubic hair.

Deep Down, Area Man Knows He’s Not Done Vomiting

And hours later sometimes.

Woman Spirals Into Vortex Of Self-Doubt After Trader Joe’s Cashier Does Not Compliment Any Of Her Selected Items

So, is this a real thing?

More Realistic Meat Substitute Made From Soy Raised In Brutally Cruel Conditions

Vegans react in outrage.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:59 pm

Sylvia Plath from The Bell Jar

I began to see why woman-haters could make such fools of women. Woman-haters were like gods: invulnerable and chock full of power. They descended, and then they disappeared. You could never catch one.


Let's ask the woman-haters here.

I also hate people to ask cheerfully how you are when they know you're feeling like hell and expect you to say "fine”.

She means loathe of course.

The silence depressed me. It wasn't the silence of silence. It was my own silence. I knew perfectly well the cars were making noise, and the people in them and behind the lit windows of the buildings were making a noise, and the river was making a noise, but I couldn't hear a thing. The city hung in my window, flat as a poster, glittering and blinking, but it might just as well not have been there at all, for all the good it did me.

And we are, of course, all that matters.

I thought how strange it had never occurred to me before that I was only purely happy until I was nine years old.

Not many that never occurs to.

I felt dreadfully inadequate. The trouble was, I had been inadequate all along, I simply hadn’t thought about it.

Actually, this can really happen. But you already knew that, didn't you?

It was a queer, sultry summer, the summer they executed the Rosenbergs, and I didn't know what I was doing in New York. I'm stupid about executions. The idea of being electrocuted makes me sick, and that's all there was to read about in the papers -- goggle-eyed headlines staring up at me at every street corner and at the fusty, peanut-smelling mouth of every subway. It had nothing to do with me, but I couldn't help wondering what it would be like, being burned alive all along your nerves.

I thought it must be the worst thing in the world.


Not even close as it turned out.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:53 pm

The Onion

Study: Depression Up Among Teenage Girls Able To Perceive Any Part Of World Around Them


Way up in fact. Though not unlike all the rest of us.

Saudis Celebrate Shocking World Cup Win By Flipping Over A Woman, Setting Her On Fire

Too bad we still need that oil.

Rihanna Admits She Just Uses Whatever Makeup On Sale At Walgreens

The other Rihanna I'm guessing.

HR Director Reminds Employees That Any Crying Done At Office Must Be Work-Related

To wit: https://youtu.be/BHg__kkXKY4

Priest Never Sure How To Fill Awkward Silence After Last Rites Finished But Before Person Dies

Any priests here with the lowdown?

Elon Musk Criticized For Firing So Many Employees Rather Than Spending Decades Grinding Them Down

Maybe after he buys Facebook.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:44 am

Ralph Ellison from Invisible Man

And the mind that has conceived a plan of living must never lose sight of the chaos against which that pattern was conceived. That goes for societies as well as for individuals.


All the way to the grave, say.

Everywhere I've turned somebody has wanted to sacrifice me for my own good—only they were the ones who benefited. And now we start on the old sacrificial merry-go-round. At what point do we stop?

When it's an actual option?

They could laugh at him but they couldn't ignore him.

Sometimes that's enough, sometimes it isn't.

Some things are just too unjust for words, and too ambiguous for either speech or ideas.

Most things, I reminded him.

Man's hope can paint a purple picture, can transform a soaring vulture into a noble eagle or moaning dove.

Next up: the lack thereof.

And sometimes the difference between individual and organized indignation is the difference between criminal and political action.

At least when you can tell them apart.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:56 pm

Fyodor Dostoevsky from The Brothers Karamazov

If he's honest, he'll steal; if he's human, he'll murder; if he's faithful, he'll deceive.


She too as likely as not.

Imagine that you are creating a fabric of human destiny with the object of making men happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last. Imagine that you are doing this but that it is essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature...in order to found that edifice on its unavenged tears. Would you consent to be the architect on those conditions? Tell me. Tell the truth.

Let's choose the one tiny creature here. And tell the truth.

Everything passes, only truth remains.

Now that's a lie.

Since man cannot live without miracles, he will provide himself with miracles of his own making. He will believe in witchcraft and sorcery, even though he may otherwise be a heretic, an atheist, and a rebel.

Not this man.

The world stands on absurdities, and without them perhaps nothing at all would happen.

They certainly abound here. And especially there.

For all is like an ocean, all flows and connects; touch it in one place and it echoes at the other end of the world.

So, what do we need this to mean?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:50 pm

Weil noted that Marx believed in miracles, expecting a revolution from those too downtrodden to think anything through. So do you, holding God (or No God) accountable for what you/Ivan (right?) consider NECESSARY evil, when you/Ivan have no NECESSARY good to ground it.

There is no NECESSARY evil. It is not the ground to anything—it is privation. That’s WHY it’s absurd. All that is necessary is that yes/no be a viable choice. We don’t HAVE TO say yes to evil.

All unintended (natural) evil - we are not in a position to label evil. We cannot say God wanted it any more than we can say God wanted our intended evil. “Allowed” and “sustained” is not the same as “approved”.

God turns everything back to good. Turns the absurd fertilizer into a thriving garden.

There are definitely some things we know are evil in the moment, or in hindsight (as we learn more details). We can know instantly if we are doing something from a bad intention, provided we are not lying to ourselves. It may in hindsight be determined that what we did was not wrong in God’s eyes—except for doing something despite knowing our intention was bad. Sometimes we’ll never know for sure if we did things for the right or mixed reasons (blindspots). But none of those things cannot be turned back to good.
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The thoughts/actions in your head should be both eternal and external. If they can’t be both, boot them. Not everyone is willing to part with the internal/external that is not in line with the eternal. That is why we don’t have heaven on earth.

Science: https://youtu.be/90sWAKwZHHE

Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

Isn’t it “funny” how the religious rulers of Jesus‘ day wanted him crucified, and the secular rulers of our day want to turn him into a mere (at most) philosopher?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:46 pm

Again, pick one:

1] a yapping poodle
2] a snarling pitbull

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He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:51 pm

mew ssssssss
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

The thoughts/actions in your head should be both eternal and external. If they can’t be both, boot them. Not everyone is willing to part with the internal/external that is not in line with the eternal. That is why we don’t have heaven on earth.

Science: https://youtu.be/90sWAKwZHHE

Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

Isn’t it “funny” how the religious rulers of Jesus‘ day wanted him crucified, and the secular rulers of our day want to turn him into a mere (at most) philosopher?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:00 pm

Note to Maia:

Not to worry. You'll always be the one. :romance-adore:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:14 pm

The Onion

British World Cup Attendees Accused Of Smuggling Alcohol Into Stadium Through Bloodstreams


Yo, Brits! Is this a slur?

Chivalrous Predator Opens Trunk For Date

So, is that a good thing?

HR Improves Company Morale By Giving Employees Constant Stream Of Dumbass Bullshit To Mock

Twitter, for example.

Thanksgiving Guests Freeze In Disbelief After Teenager Informs Them Of Native American Genocide

As well they should.

Frustrated Man Still On Waitlist To Register As Sex Offender

As well he should be.

‘Let’s All Say What We’re Grateful For,’ Says Mother Who Apparently Believes She’s In A Norman Fucking Rockwell Painting

Indeed, what if we are in a Norman Fucking Rockwell Painting here?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

Danny Embling: "People wonder how Hitler managed to get so many followers...it's never surprised me."
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:33 pm

Franz Kafka from The Trial

Logic is of course unshakeable, but it cannot hold out against a man who wants to live.


Or wants to die.

Don't be too hasty, don't take somebody else's opinion without testing it.

Wow, what if we started doing that here.

It's often better to be in chains than to be free.

Thank God?

When one has lived for thirty years in this world and had to fight one's way through it, as I have had to do, one becomes hardened to surprises and doesn't take them too seriously.

Trust me: there will always be exceptions.

As someone said to me--I can't remember now who it was--it is really remarkable that when you wake up in the morning you nearly always find everything in exactly the same place as the evening before. For when asleep and dreaming you are, apparently at least, in an essentially different state from that of wakefulness; and therefore, as that man truly said, it requires enormous presence of mind or rather quickness of wit, when opening your eyes to seize hold as it were of everything in the room at exactly the same place where you had let it go on the previous evening. That was why, he said, the moment of waking up was the riskiest moment of the day. Once that was well over without deflecting you from your orbit, you could take heart of grace for the rest of the day.

Trust me: there will always be exceptions.

Am I to leave this world as a man who shies away from all conclusions?

On the other hand, conclusions about what?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

Danny Embling: "People wonder how Hitler managed to get so many followers...it's never surprised me."
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby MagsJ » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:32 pm

iambiguous wrote:The Onion

British World Cup Attendees Accused Of Smuggling Alcohol Into Stadium Through Bloodstreams


Yo, Brits! Is this a slur?

Not at all..
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:19 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest." Hermann Hesse


Wow, like I do here! 8)

“Youth ends when egotism does; maturity begins when one lives for others.” Hermann Hesse

In the East perhaps.

“Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game.” Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

My guess: or a losing game.
Catastrophically even.


"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix

And, sure, he might even have believed it.

"Music doesn't lie. If there is something to be changed in this world, then it can only happen through music." Jimi Hendrix

Pick one:
Changed for the better.
Changed for the worse.


"To change something in the minds of people - that's the role of an intellectual." Michel Foucault

Pick one:
Changed for the better.
Changed for the worse.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:52 pm

Siddhartha Mukherjee

Cancer was not disorganized chromosomal chaos. It was organized chromosomal chaos.


God in other words. Now all we have to do is to prove that He exists so He can explain why.

If we define "beauty" as having blue eyes (and only blue eyes), then we will, indeed, find a "gene for beauty." If we define "intelligence" as the performance on only one kind of test, then we will, indeed, find a "gene for intelligence." The genome is only a mirror for the breadth or narrowness of human imagination.

Gotta love those defintions!

Like musicians, like mathematicians—like elite athletes—scientists peak early and dwindle fast. It isn’t creativity that fades, but stamina: science is an endurance sport. To produce that single illuminating experiment, a thousand nonilluminating experiments have to be sent into the trash; it is battle between nature and nerve.

Next up: an illuminating post.

In 2005, a man diagnosed with multiple myeloma asked me if he would be alive to watch his daughter graduate from high school in a few months. In 2009, bound to a wheelchair, he watched his daughter graduate from college. The wheelchair had nothing to do with his cancer. The man had fallen down while coaching his youngest son's baseball team.

Clearly another one of God's miracles. Right?

Three profoundly destabilizing scientific ideas ricochet through the twentieth century, trisecting it into three unequal parts: the atom, the byte, the gene.

Or four when we include dasein.

Cancer's life is a recapitulation of the body's life, its existence a pathological mirror of our own.

Next up: the pathological God.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

Danny Embling: "People wonder how Hitler managed to get so many followers...it's never surprised me."
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:07 pm

Philosophy Tweets

“Schools serve the same social functions as prisons and mental institutions---to define, classify, control people.” Michel Foucault


Though, sure, for some, with the very best of intentions.

"We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap." Kurt Vonnegut

Or too damned capitalist.

“Are the prisons overpopulated, or is the population over-imprisoned?” Michel Foucault

Yes.

"I was making my mind as blank as possible, you see, since the past was so embarrassing and the future so terrifying." Kurt Vonnegut

Sure, for a couple minutes -- or, okay, hours -- perhaps.

“Another Christian concept, no less crazy, has passed even more deeply into the tissue of modernity: the concept of the 'equality of souls before God.' This concept furnishes the prototype of all theories of equal rights..." Friedrich Nietzsche

And we know where that takes us...

“Democracy represents the disbelief in all great men and in all elite societies: everybody is everybody else's equal, 'At bottom we are all herd and mob.'" Friedrich Nietzsche

And we know where that takes us...
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He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

Danny Embling: "People wonder how Hitler managed to get so many followers...it's never surprised me."
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby MagsJ » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:18 pm

iambiguous wrote:Philosophy Tweets

"People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest." Hermann Hesse


Wow, like I do here! 8)

You self-flatterer, you..
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

Examine what is said, not him who speaks ~Arab proverb

aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:41 pm

Eric Hoffer

There is no doubt that in exchanging a self-centered for a selfless life we gain enormously in self-esteem. The vanity of the selfless, even those who practice utmost humility, is boundless.


Clever enough for you?

The enemy—the indispensible devil of every mass movement—is omnipresent. He plots both outside and inside the ranks of the faithful. It is his voice that speaks through the mouth of the dissenter, and the deviationists are his stooges. If anything goes wrong within the movement, it is his doing.

Trust me: practice makes perfect.

Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for the lost faith in ourselves.

See, I told you.

We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand.

Like you being absolutely certain about me.

It is thus with most of us; we are what other people say we are. We know ourselves chiefly by hearsay.

And how truly pathetic is that?

There is perhaps no surer way of infecting ourselves with virulent hatred toward a person than by doing him a grave injustice.

The human condition let's call. Perhaps?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=176529
Then here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 5&t=185296
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 1&t=194382

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

Danny Embling: "People wonder how Hitler managed to get so many followers...it's never surprised me."
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