a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:05 pm

Learning to hate Tolstoi is an absolute art.

Not because of the cheap moralism, but the sheer intellectual labour of reading and pulling apart War and Peace.

People in the past were wiser. They didn't consider Michael Angelo's psychology important. He was only important as far as he was an antenna for the Muses. This is also why, for them, he was much more of a giant.

And, sure, for some of us.

Phenomenology sounds so promising when you first hear the word. Wow, the pure study of the phenomenon of phenomena. Then you realize it's just some cheap repackaged Catholic Aristotelianism and curse some non-existent Director of Philosophical Endeavors.

Did he really just write this?

To love the world, and to unabashedly belong to life. This is the original sin that communists are only the latest incarnation of a reaction against.

Does that include man's inhumanity to man?

Whenever I have a discussion with an environmental apocalypscist, and I point out that the measures they suggest would result in the starvation of sizeable portions of humanity, they inevitably confide in a conspiratorial tone that maybe the Earth could use less people. And I think "great, when does the mass suicide of green communists begin?"


It's like thirty birds with one stone.

Here is one of the many secrets behind religion: whatever you fear most is what you are likeliest to imitate, because it is the most powerful thing you can imagine.

If God is not terrible, you are doing it wrong.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:29 pm

If love is not terrible… good terrible… whatever you’re doing… is more terrible than fear. Bad terrible.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:23 pm

You crazy fucking Aleister Crowley fanatics with your creepy ass love shit.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:39 pm

Oh, sweetie. Tsk tsk. Mr. Crowley ain’t got nuthin on Jesus-level “magic”. Acts 8:9-24.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:47 pm

Protestant doesn't count, it's already by definition heavily dilluted.

All you are doing is generalizing the affective universe of a middle class English boy.

What the Roman church was doing was something very different.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:48 pm

On the other hand, that's a pretty cool song.

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:51 pm

Turn this image upside down in front of a mirror ;) Then read Acts 16-19 ;)

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:05 pm

Sometimes I think middle class can be defined as an inability to distinguish between your feelings and the world.

It probably accounts for many if not most of our problems today.

Everybody else gets an ass beating at least once in their lives and learns the difference.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:07 pm

It's a little grotesque.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:08 pm

But it's fine, what am I, the grotesque police?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:09 pm

S/heeeeeeeeee’s a wiggler.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:56 pm

Julian Schnabel

Making a painting is like playing the saxophone. You hit the note and it comes out.


Of course.

I think, basically, I'm an abstract artist. I just think that that's not even an issue. I think everything's abstract.

Of course.

What's interesting about making art is that you take everything you know about it and you bring it up to that point, and you start making a physical thing that addresses what that is. And when you do it, you don't know anything about it - if it's going to work or not work.

Of course.
Like posting here.


I don't think the meaning in my paintings comes from just using broken dishes.

Start here: https://www.vitoschnabel.com/news/putti ... e%20shards.

I don't think my paintings are self-conscious but you feel the consciousness of them. Without them being self-conscious.

Uh, you tell me?

If I hung one of my paintings next to someone else's, I knew mine would kind of pop off the wall.

Let's decide if it should.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:57 pm

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Complete this farce, okay? 8)

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:17 pm

tiny nietzsche

if it looks like a fascist, and walks like a fascist, and talks like a fascist, it's a fascist


Hard to Trump this, right?

animal, vegetable, or robot

Finally that's been updated.

rock, paper, entropy

Finally that's been updated.
Too.


I wish I had a big cock just like iggy pop

Uh, how big?

by the age of 30 you should realize it is pointless, but play your hand anyway

I was about 15 myself.

my doktor says I have tertiary sisyphus

I had that once.
Unless of course I still do.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby origami » Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:10 am

Man is the only thing that measures.

I think we might be getting somewhere now.


Just because they're after you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.

Or, sure, even if they aren't.

I think what bothers us all about our phone cameras and microphones being able to record everything we do isn't whether Big Brother is always watching, but whether Big Brother masturbates while he watches.


Ok, this is too grotesque even for him.

We're all communists until a cheque arrives in the mail.

This is supposed to mean something? Let's ask the pinheads.

The meaning of life cannot possibly be chocolate, can it?


Shit, it was for the Aztecs.

A communist seeks to be clever, a conservative seeks to be intelligent.

People that own themselves have to know what's going on.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:47 pm

Galileo Galilei

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him.


On the other hand, imagine him here gaping at the pinheads

In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man.

Next up: in the is/ought world.

Knowing thyself, that is the greatest wisdom.

Obviously, he never came across someone like me. Back then there probably weren't any.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use.

See, I told you!!

To be humane, we must ever be ready to pronounce that wise, ingenious and modest statement 'I do not know'.

Any among the humane here?

Two truths cannot contradict one another.

At least until Atlas shrugs.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:06 pm

so sad today

always the little voice that says “but you could be sleeping”


Or, sure, fucking.

trying to control the uncontrollable is going ok

Hey, no one said it would be easy.

wish you could pee out feelings

No shit?

all is well (sort of)

Sort of works for me. On the occasional good day.

feel like i’m in the bottom of a well but the well is probably only like an inch high

On the other hand, probably only like a mile wide.

sorry, i can’t, i’m recalibrating my psych meds

24/7 as it were.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:58 pm

Willem de Kooning

I might work on a painting for a month, but it has to look like I painted it in a minute.


It has to?

The drawings that interest me most are made with closed eyes. With eyes closed, I feel my hand slide down on the paper. I have an image in mind, but the results always surprise me.

I'll bet they do.

I'd like to get all the colors in the world into one painting.

"It has been estimated that humans can distinguish roughly 10 million different colors." wiki

Not even for a million dollars would I paint a tree.

On the other hand: https://smartify.org/artworks/a-tree-in-naples

You have to keep on the very edge of something, all the time, or the picture dies.

You know, whatever that means.

The past does not influence me; I influence it.

Let's try to figure out how.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:36 pm

Philosophy Tweets

“No matter what happens, it is within my power to turn it to my advantage.” Epictetus


:lol:

"Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it." Epictetus

Sieg Heil?

"You are a citizen of the universe . . ." Epictetus

How's that working out for you?

"Only the educated are free." Epictetus

Next up: the educated define free.

“The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.” Confucius

Try to imagine him around today!

"Wealth is the number of things one can do without." Fyodor Dostoevsky

You first.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:39 pm

iambiguous wrote:Philosophy Tweets

“The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.” Confucius


Try to imagine him around today!


Cool.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:53 pm

bleh
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:27 pm

Geraldine Brooks

How little we know, I thought, of the people we live amongst.


More to the point, of course, how little they know about us.

David, like many people, had made the mistake of confusing 'meek' with 'weak'.

Not counting all the exceptions.

I felt the reckless abandon of one who knows she stands already among the damned. Why not, then, another sin?

In fact, shoot the moon.

You, he continued, grabbing my wrist. All of you, from the safe world, with your air bags and your tamper-proof packaging and your fat-free diets. You are the superstitious ones. You convince yourself you can cheat death, and you are absolutely offended when you learn that you can't. You sat in your nice little flat all through our war and watched us, bleeding all over the TV news. And you thought, 'How awful!' and then you got up and made yourself another cup of gourmet coffee.

Or, sure, just changed the channel.

You've got a society where people tolerate difference, like Spain in the Convivencia, and everything's humming along: creative, prosperous. Then somehow this fear, this hate, this need to demonize 'the other'--it just sort of rears up and smashes the whole society. Inquisition, Nazis, extremist Serb nationalists...same old, same old.

Of course that could never happen here.

...the greatest cruelty of madness is the power it has to blot out a person.

Lots of them sometimes.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:13 pm

Existential Comics

Reminder that your boss doesn't pay your salary, you pay his salary.


Or, sure, both.

The biggest problem with being a philosopher is that Karl Marx was already right about everything, so there isn't really much to do.

Any objections? :lol:

By age 30, you should have already discovered all the bands that you are ever going to like in your life.

Nope. I was already 30 when I discovered New Wave.

By age 30, you should have mastered Karl Marx's magnum opus Das Kapital. Volume I at least. By age 30, you should have read a decent portion of the Das Kaptial Volume I. The introduction, at least.

Nope again. No telling why though.

The evolution of the internet:
Web 1.0: static content
Web 2.0: dynamic user generated content
Web 3.0: scams


And of course what we do here.

Socialism will never work because of human nature...humans are too dumb to realize we should be doing socialism.

Pick one:
1] Genes
2] Memes
3] Both
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:47 pm

Edward Abbey

I suppose each of us has his own fantasy of how he wants to die. I would like to go out in a blaze of glory, myself, or maybe simply disappear someday, far out in the heart of the wilderness I love, all by myself, alone with the Universe and whatever God may happen to be looking on. Disappear - and never return. That's my fantasy.


Instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Ab ... and_burial

Walking is the only form of transportation in which a man proceeds erect - like a man - on his own legs, under his own power. There is immense satisfaction in that.

That and knowing when to stop.

Of all the featherless beasts, only man, chained by his self-imposed slavery to the clock, denies the elemental fire and proceeds as best he can about his business, suffering quietly, martyr to his madness.

Let's blame capitalism.

From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm.

Any tapeworms here?

One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothing can beat teamwork.

To cite just one example: Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett, Thomas, Roberts
You know, if you're a liberal.


An empty man is full of himself.

Both clever and true.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:42 pm

God

I don't regret the Flood but I regret the ark.


Is that righteous enough for you?

You are a device for your phone.

Progress let's call it.

Did I create quantum mechanics?
Yes and no.


Even He's baffled.

One of the worst things about stupid people is the way they think you're stupid.

Yo, Mr. Pinhead! You're up!!

The right does evil well.
The left does good poorly.


Well, down here anyway.

Trump pleaded the Fifth.
It took a massive criminal investigation to finally make him shut the fuck up.


My guess: He may or may not get the last word.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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